Bitvigo.com could be a scamsite, discuss please

[LoyceV]

(Possible) Scammers Profile Link: Bitvigo Official
I have not tried the site myself, I'm just trying to save some innocent victims.
He clearly only leaves all positive comments in his topic and deletes the rest. So far he's gained negative trust from 3 (non-DT) accounts.

What happened: Bitvigo Official opens several self moderated topics to promote his website (bitvigo.com). I posted in his thread to ask about things that don't add up on the website. I got a response, but after that my posts were deleted, so I open this topic.

My first (deleted) post:
The Dutch Chamber of Commerce is called KvK ("Kamer van Koophandel").

Can you explain to me how you got KvK number 669903 while the official KvK website tells me it doesn't exist (a KvK number should have 8 numbers)?

You claim to be part of ELEMANDER GROUP B.V., which according to has a different KvK number, and sells self-developed electronic devices.
The address on the website is a shared office building, the (official) address on the KvK website is an old residential apartment. Although this could be true, the official address certainly doesn't look like a location I would trust to send my money to.

My second (deleted) post:

... or check the The Dutch Chamber Of Commerce: https://www.kvk.nl/orderstraat/product-kiezen/?kvknummer=674299470000 .

That is what I just did, and it turns out it's different than what you're claiming.

The KvK number was outdated, we updated the page.

I find it hard to believe you accidentally had the wrong KvK number on two different websites.

www.company.info is not correct on there information.

Bedrijvenpagina.nl describes Elemander Group B.V. as a company that issues prepaid and debit Mastercards in the EU via post order. That does get closer indeed.
Forgive me for not believing anything I read on the internet, but if a financial company shows a wrong number, I think some questions are in place.

My gut feeling tells me the logos on the site (The telegraph, Business Insider, TechCrunch and The Times) are only there to inspire confidence, I can't find any mention of Bitvigo on their websites.

In one of his topics, he writes this:

Bitcoins & altcoins are not regulated or monitored  in The Netherlands so we can't ask for any identification because of our strict privacy laws.

This is not true. Any (official) Bitcoin related company in the Netherlands requires AML/KYC data (higher monetary amounts require more verification), and laws are only getting stricter. Crypto is monitored, and I can't imagine a legit company would claim otherwise.

Any thoughts on this?

[donmiguello]

The company could be a registered company but  it does not have a licence. The biggest error from CA they issue european certificat without verified the company address.



In usa its imposible to get the EV ssl without being a lagal company with a physical address.

[Bitvigo Official]

(Possible) Scammers Profile Link: Bitvigo Official
I have not tried the site myself, I'm just trying to save some innocent victims.
He clearly only leaves all positive comments in his topic and deletes the rest. So far he's gained negative trust from 3 (non-DT) accounts.

What happened: Bitvigo Official opens several self moderated topics to promote his website (bitvigo.com). I posted in his thread to ask about things that don't add up on the website. I got a response, but after that my posts were deleted, so I open this topic.

My first (deleted) post:
The Dutch Chamber of Commerce is called KvK ("Kamer van Koophandel").

Can you explain to me how you got KvK number 669903 while the official KvK website tells me it doesn't exist (a KvK number should have 8 numbers)?

You claim to be part of ELEMANDER GROUP B.V., which according to has a different KvK number, and sells self-developed electronic devices.
The address on the website is a shared office building, the (official) address on the KvK website is an old residential apartment. Although this could be true, the official address certainly doesn't look like a location I would trust to send my money to.

My second (deleted) post:

... or check the The Dutch Chamber Of Commerce: https://www.kvk.nl/orderstraat/product-kiezen/?kvknummer=674299470000 .

That is what I just did, and it turns out it's different than what you're claiming.

The KvK number was outdated, we updated the page.

I find it hard to believe you accidentally had the wrong KvK number on two different websites.

www.company.info is not correct on there information.

Bedrijvenpagina.nl describes Elemander Group B.V. as a company that issues prepaid and debit Mastercards in the EU via post order. That does get closer indeed.
Forgive me for not believing anything I read on the internet, but if a financial company shows a wrong number, I think some questions are in place.

My gut feeling tells me the logos on the site (The telegraph, Business Insider, TechCrunch and The Times) are only there to inspire confidence, I can't find any mention of Bitvigo on their websites.

In one of his topics, he writes this:

Bitcoins & altcoins are not regulated or monitored  in The Netherlands so we can't ask for any identification because of our strict privacy laws.

This is not true. Any (official) Bitcoin related company in the Netherlands requires AML/KYC data (higher monetary amounts require more verification), and laws are only getting stricter. Crypto is monitored, and I can't imagine a legit company would claim otherwise.

Any thoughts on this?

Hello LoyceV,

I don't know what you trying to do but you are in the very wrong. There is now way to think that we are not a real company, please do you research better the next time.
If you want to make that kind of accusation base it on real information not just loses text that a baby can put together.

First of all our website bitvigo.com has a EV ssl certificate that means that one of the world biggest security firm verified us as an legit company, there is no way that they make mistakes.
Second of all see here or company register in The Dutch Chamber of Commerce: https://www.kvk.nl/orderstraat/product-kiezen/?kvknummer=674299470000&origq=elemander+group

Our office is also shown on our website: http://elemander.com/contact-us.html

We delete you post because is bullsh*t because is has no no added value on the announcement that we placed, and you didn't react anymore to our answers.

And please don't think that you know the Dutch law better than a company who spends 100K per year on advisory service. 
Read it for you self that Bitcoin or  alt coins are NOT regulated and DON'T need KYC/AML requirements. https://www.advocaten-amsterdam.nl/1439/Wet-en-regelgeving-bitcoins (You need to translate it self)


Next time if you want to make an accusations please do you research and don't talk about things that you don't no about, don't make a fool of your self specially as an Legendary member


Best regards,
Team Bitvigo.com

[Bitvigo Official]

The company could be a registered company but  it does not have a licence. The biggest error from CA they issue european certificat without verified the company address.



In usa its imposible to get the EV ssl without being a lagal company with a physical address.

They did otherwise we would get the certificate.

Best regards,

[LoyceV]

I don't know what you trying to do but you are in the very wrong. There is now way to think that we are not a real company, please do you research better the next time.

Using fake KvK numbers is very common for scammers, and a huge red flag. I didn't need much research for that.

If you want to make that kind of accusation base it on real information not just loses text that a baby can put together.

That's not really a strong argument.

First of all our website bitvigo.com has a EV ssl certificate that means that one of the world biggest security firm verified us as an legit company, there is no way that they make mistakes.

I have never before seen anyone claim credibility based on an SSL certificate. There's no way this would stop a scammer from scamming.

Second of all see here or company register in The Dutch Chamber of Commerce: https://www.kvk.nl/orderstraat/product-kiezen/?kvknummer=674299470000&origq=elemander+group

That's the KvK number I told you, it's not what both your websites showed me.

We delete you post because is bullsh*t because is has no no added value on the announcement that we placed, and you didn't react anymore to our answers.

I tried to start a public debate about it. Having a self-moderated ANN-thread is a big red flag already, so I expected my posts to be deleted. That makes this board the right place to continue the discussion in public.

And please don't think that you know the Dutch law better than a company who spends 100K per year on advisory service.  
Read it for you self that Bitcoin or  alt coins are NOT regulated and DON'T need KYC/AML requirements.

I find it hard to believe you spend 100k on advisory services, and nobody told you your KvK number was wrong. Or how to spell Western Union for instance.
I never said crypto is regulated, I said it's monitored, and I don't know a single company that trades Bitcoin from anonymous users.

Do you care to comment on the logos taken from The telegraph, Business Insider, TechCrunch and The Times? You ignored that part in your reply.

Next time if you want to make an accusations please do you research and don't talk about things that you don't no about, don't make a fool of your self specially as an Legendary member

I'm willing to take that risk when there's several red flags. I love to be wrong on this one, but until I'm sure about it, it seems like a good thing to warn others. And for that reason I've created this thread.

Bitcointalk community: Any thoughts on this?

[Juggy777]

(Possible) Scammers Profile Link: Bitvigo Official
I have not tried the site myself, I'm just trying to save some innocent victims.
He clearly only leaves all positive comments in his topic and deletes the rest. So far he's gained negative trust from 3 (non-DT) accounts.

What happened: Bitvigo Official opens several self moderated topics to promote his website (bitvigo.com). I posted in his thread to ask about things that don't add up on the website. I got a response, but after that my posts were deleted, so I open this topic.

My first (deleted) post:
The Dutch Chamber of Commerce is called KvK ("Kamer van Koophandel").

Can you explain to me how you got KvK number 669903 while the official KvK website tells me it doesn't exist (a KvK number should have 8 numbers)?

You claim to be part of ELEMANDER GROUP B.V., which according to has a different KvK number, and sells self-developed electronic devices.
The address on the website is a shared office building, the (official) address on the KvK website is an old residential apartment. Although this could be true, the official address certainly doesn't look like a location I would trust to send my money to.

My second (deleted) post:

... or check the The Dutch Chamber Of Commerce: https://www.kvk.nl/orderstraat/product-kiezen/?kvknummer=674299470000 .

That is what I just did, and it turns out it's different than what you're claiming.

The KvK number was outdated, we updated the page.

I find it hard to believe you accidentally had the wrong KvK number on two different websites.

www.company.info is not correct on there information.

Bedrijvenpagina.nl describes Elemander Group B.V. as a company that issues prepaid and debit Mastercards in the EU via post order. That does get closer indeed.
Forgive me for not believing anything I read on the internet, but if a financial company shows a wrong number, I think some questions are in place.

My gut feeling tells me the logos on the site (The telegraph, Business Insider, TechCrunch and The Times) are only there to inspire confidence, I can't find any mention of Bitvigo on their websites.

In one of his topics, he writes this:

Bitcoins & altcoins are not regulated or monitored  in The Netherlands so we can't ask for any identification because of our strict privacy laws.

This is not true. Any (official) Bitcoin related company in the Netherlands requires AML/KYC data (higher monetary amounts require more verification), and laws are only getting stricter. Crypto is monitored, and I can't imagine a legit company would claim otherwise.

Any thoughts on this?

Hello LoyceV,

I don't know what you trying to do but you are in the very wrong. There is now way to think that we are not a real company, please do you research better the next time.
If you want to make that kind of accusation base it on real information not just loses text that a baby can put together.

First of all our website bitvigo.com has a EV ssl certificate that means that one of the world biggest security firm verified us as an legit company, there is no way that they make mistakes.
Second of all see here or company register in The Dutch Chamber of Commerce: https://www.kvk.nl/orderstraat/product-kiezen/?kvknummer=674299470000&origq=elemander+group

Our office is also shown on our website: http://elemander.com/contact-us.html

We delete you post because is bullsh*t because is has no no added value on the announcement that we placed, and you didn't react anymore to our answers.

And please don't think that you know the Dutch law better than a company who spends 100K per year on advisory service. 
Read it for you self that Bitcoin or  alt coins are NOT regulated and DON'T need KYC/AML requirements. https://www.advocaten-amsterdam.nl/1439/Wet-en-regelgeving-bitcoins (You need to translate it self)


Next time if you want to make an accusations please do you research and don't talk about things that you don't no about, don't make a fool of your self specially as an Legendary member


Best regards,
Team Bitvigo.com

HAHAHAHA HAHAHAHA BITVIGO YOU MADE ME LAUGH HARD, PEICE OF SHIT THIS GUY IS. THERE IS NO COMPANY THEY STOLE MY HARD EARNED MONEY.

YES THEY WILL DELETE ALL POST ABOUT THE SCAM.

THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE A FAQ, THEY WILL BLOCK YOUR EMAIL.

HERE'S MY THREAD https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2405026.msg24603254#msg24603254

UNFORTUNATELY THIS FORUM HAS NO RULES TO RECOVER SCAMS THATS OKAY, BUT HIS ACCOUNT SHOULD BE DELETED.

STAY AWAY FROM THIS GUY UNTIL HE REFUNDS ALL.

THANKS FOR SHARING IT, HE ATLEAST REPLYIES TO YOU.

[Bitvigo Official]

I don't know what you trying to do but you are in the very wrong. There is now way to think that we are not a real company, please do you research better the next time.

Using fake KvK numbers is very common for scammers, and a huge red flag. I didn't need much research for that.

Using a fake KvK number? Well enter the KvK number at the official website of the The Dutch Chamber of Commerce and you will see www.bitvigo.com registered under the name ELEMANDER GROUP B.V. : https://www.kvk.nl/orderstraat/product-kiezen/?kvknummer=674299470000&origq=elemander+group
So what other do is not our problem, and agian go to there official website and you will see that www.elemander.com is registered as our official domain name.

If you want to make that kind of accusation base it on real information not just loses text that a baby can put together.

That's not really a strong argument.

Well give me a strong argument, not things you don't know anything about.

First of all our website bitvigo.com has a EV ssl certificate that means that one of the world biggest security firm verified us as an legit company, there is no way that they make mistakes.

I have never before seen anyone claim credibility based on an SSL certificate. There's no way this would stop a scammer from scamming.

Well then don't trust you bank websites, because is MAY be fake.

Second of all see here or company register in The Dutch Chamber of Commerce: https://www.kvk.nl/orderstraat/product-kiezen/?kvknummer=674299470000&origq=elemander+group

That's the KvK number I told you, it's not what both your websites showed me.

Well you are wrong : http://elemander.com/contact-us.html   & https://www.bitvigo.com/support/ in footer.

We delete you post because is bullsh*t because is has no no added value on the announcement that we placed, and you didn't react anymore to our answers.

I tried to start a public debate about it. Having a self-moderated ANN-thread is a big red flag already, so I expected my posts to be deleted. That makes this board the right place to continue the discussion in public.

Public discussion is good, when it's based on real information and not same wrong letters on the site.

And please don't think that you know the Dutch law better than a company who spends 100K per year on advisory service.  
Read it for you self that Bitcoin or  alt coins are NOT regulated and DON'T need KYC/AML requirements.

I find it hard to believe you spend 100k on advisory services, and nobody told you your KvK number was wrong. Or how to spell Western Union for instance.
I never said crypto is regulated, I said it's monitored, and I don't know a single company that trades Bitcoin from anonymous users.

O noo fire, we missed the letter 'N' red flag.

Again crypto is not regulate nor monitored, there are enough company's that provide anonymous service like us.

Do you care to comment on the logos taken from The telegraph, Business Insider, TechCrunch and The Times? You ignored that part in your reply.

Next time if you want to make an accusations please do you research and don't talk about things that you don't no about, don't make a fool of your self specially as an Legendary member

I'm willing to take that risk when there's several red flags. I love to be wrong on this one, but until I'm sure about it, it seems like a good thing to warn others. And for that reason I've created this thread.

You are making an accusation that we are not the company that we are talking about. Never heard that one. Please do more research and come back.
If you have more questions please contact COMMODO to ask about the validation of our website: https://ssl.comodo.com/ or mail us at bitvigo.hq@elemander.com

Bitcointalk community: Any thoughts on this?

[Juggy777]

I don't know what you trying to do but you are in the very wrong. There is now way to think that we are not a real company, please do you research better the next time.

Using fake KvK numbers is very common for scammers, and a huge red flag. I didn't need much research for that.

Using a fake KvK number? Well enter the KvK number at the official website of the The Dutch Chamber of Commerce and you will see www.bitvigo.com registered under the name ELEMANDER GROUP B.V. : https://www.kvk.nl/orderstraat/product-kiezen/?kvknummer=674299470000&origq=elemander+group
So what other do is not our problem, and agian go to there official website and you will see that www.elemander.com is registered as our official domain name.

If you want to make that kind of accusation base it on real information not just loses text that a baby can put together.

That's not really a strong argument.

Well give me a strong argument, not things you don't know anything about.

First of all our website bitvigo.com has a EV ssl certificate that means that one of the world biggest security firm verified us as an legit company, there is no way that they make mistakes.

I have never before seen anyone claim credibility based on an SSL certificate. There's no way this would stop a scammer from scamming.

Well then don't trust you bank websites, because is MAY be fake.

Second of all see here or company register in The Dutch Chamber of Commerce: https://www.kvk.nl/orderstraat/product-kiezen/?kvknummer=674299470000&origq=elemander+group

That's the KvK number I told you, it's not what both your websites showed me.

Well you are wrong : http://elemander.com/contact-us.html   & https://www.bitvigo.com/support/ in footer.

We delete you post because is bullsh*t because is has no no added value on the announcement that we placed, and you didn't react anymore to our answers.

I tried to start a public debate about it. Having a self-moderated ANN-thread is a big red flag already, so I expected my posts to be deleted. That makes this board the right place to continue the discussion in public.

Public discussion is good, when it's based on real information and not same wrong letters on the site.

And please don't think that you know the Dutch law better than a company who spends 100K per year on advisory service.  
Read it for you self that Bitcoin or  alt coins are NOT regulated and DON'T need KYC/AML requirements.

I find it hard to believe you spend 100k on advisory services, and nobody told you your KvK number was wrong. Or how to spell Western Union for instance.
I never said crypto is regulated, I said it's monitored, and I don't know a single company that trades Bitcoin from anonymous users.

O noo fire, we missed the letter 'N' red flag.

Again crypto is not regulate nor monitored, there are enough company's that provide anonymous service like us.

Do you care to comment on the logos taken from The telegraph, Business Insider, TechCrunch and The Times? You ignored that part in your reply.

Next time if you want to make an accusations please do you research and don't talk about things that you don't no about, don't make a fool of your self specially as an Legendary member

I'm willing to take that risk when there's several red flags. I love to be wrong on this one, but until I'm sure about it, it seems like a good thing to warn others. And for that reason I've created this thread.

You are making an accusation that we are not the company that we are talking about. Never heard that one. Please do more research and come back.
If you have more questions please contact COMMODO to ask about the validation of our website: https://ssl.comodo.com/ or mail us at bitvigo.hq@elemander.com

Bitcointalk community: Any thoughts on this?

Again ignore me scamshit well here is a proof, I'll send the legal notice to your mail, since your existing mails don't work, hopefully you'll recieve it and be jailed for good.

Here's a proof for all, peice of shit reply to this.

Here they confirm they recieve my coins and post that they stopped replying to me, my mails everything. Change the title to it is a scam site.

https://imgur.com/gallery/4hr2y

[Bitvigo Official]

Hi LoyceV,

I have a better idea to confirm that we are ELEMANDER GROUP B.V. .
We will send 1EURO from a bank account own by ELEMANDER GROUP B.V. to an SEPA bank account that you own.



Best regards,
Bitvigo.com team

[Juggy777]

Hi LoyceV,

I have a better idea to confirm that we are ELEMANDER GROUP B.V. .
We will send 1EURO from a bank account own by ELEMANDER GROUP B.V. to an SEPA bank account that you own.

Let me know, and let's settle this forever.


Best regards,
Bitvigo.com team

What about settling my 1.4k btc? Lovce won't settle unless you return everyone money, and every one knows your shady business.