Bitcoin Forum
December 14, 2024, 02:37:35 AM *
News: Latest Bitcoin Core release: 28.0 [Torrent]
 
   Home   Help Search Login Register More  

Warning: Moderators do not remove likely scams. You must use your own brain: caveat emptor. Watch out for Ponzi schemes. Do not invest more than you can afford to lose.

Pages: [1]
  Print  
Author Topic: Compare bitcoin stocks with Coinstocks.net  (Read 1625 times)
maxmint (OP)
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 700
Merit: 500



View Profile
July 31, 2013, 10:45:29 AM
 #1

I made a quick site to compare different bitcoin stocks: http://coinstocks.net/
It shows the "potential price" of each stock, that's the hypothetical price a stock would have if it had the same market cap as ASICMINER. Of course, this is not a realistic scenario but it helps comparing the possible profit of different stocks.

Your comments and suggestions are welcome.

My PGP-Key: 462D02D8
Verify my messages using keybase: https://keybase.io/maxmint
ChronoX5
Member
**
Offline Offline

Activity: 72
Merit: 10



View Profile
July 31, 2013, 11:16:48 AM
 #2

I made a quick site to compare different bitcoin stocks: http://coinstocks.net/
It shows the "potential price" of each stock, that's the hypothetical price a stock would have if it had the same market cap as ASICMINER. Of course, this is not a realistic scenario but it helps comparing the possible profit of different stocks.

Your comments and suggestions are welcome.

Cool site, I think adding more assets should be your priority.

Ideas for more columns:

Operational [Yes/No]
Average dividend in the last 2 weeks

Please keep in mind that I am currently trading/holding shares of ASIC Miner, ActiveMining, Rentalstarter, Labcoin and may be posting in my own interest. Always do your own research.
pedrog
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2786
Merit: 1031



View Profile
July 31, 2013, 01:19:38 PM
 #3

I made a quick site to compare different bitcoin stocks: http://coinstocks.net/
It shows the "potential price" of each stock, that's the hypothetical price a stock would have if it had the same market cap as ASICMINER. Of course, this is not a realistic scenario but it helps comparing the possible profit of different stocks.

Your comments and suggestions are welcome.

Cool site, I think adding more assets should be your priority.

Ideas for more columns:

Operational [Yes/No]
Average dividend in the last 2 weeks

All of that, and a small graff o the price variation over the last 24 or 48 hours.

Vbs
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 504
Merit: 500


View Profile
July 31, 2013, 02:06:11 PM
 #4

You can't have them all at the market cap of Asicminer, when the fact is that they are all competing for the same hardware space. As soon as some of them go up, Asicminer goes down.

You can also state the estimated production timelines and what technology nodes they are using (as 110/130nm chips need to be sold quickly as they will be outdated faster than anything else: they are the GPUs of tomorrow, as that was the tech used in ~2002 for building the first Pentium 4's, see bottom row for die sizes). The better the technology nodes, the more future-proof are the chips and the corresponding asset.
MSantori
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 168
Merit: 100



View Profile
July 31, 2013, 04:58:55 PM
 #5

Well this could be very helpful!

Marco Santori is a lawyer, but not your lawyer, and this is not legal advice.  If you do have specific questions, though, please don't hesitate to PM me.  We've learned this forum isn't 100% secure, so you might prefer to email me.  Maybe I can help!  Depending upon your jurisdiction, this post might be construed as attorney advertising, so: attorney advertising Smiley
canth
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1442
Merit: 1001



View Profile
August 01, 2013, 01:15:58 PM
 #6

I notice that ASICMiner is listed with a potential gain of 100%. Since potential gain is calculated by comparing market cap against ASICMiner's market cap, this should be 0% potential gain, no?

maxmint (OP)
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 700
Merit: 500



View Profile
August 01, 2013, 03:14:19 PM
 #7

I notice that ASICMiner is listed with a potential gain of 100%. Since potential gain is calculated by comparing market cap against ASICMiner's market cap, this should be 0% potential gain, no?

You're right, thanks for pointing that out. I just changed that to show the correct gain.

My PGP-Key: 462D02D8
Verify my messages using keybase: https://keybase.io/maxmint
canth
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1442
Merit: 1001



View Profile
August 01, 2013, 03:41:32 PM
 #8

You can't have them all at the market cap of Asicminer, when the fact is that they are all competing for the same hardware space. As soon as some of them go up, Asicminer goes down.


Obviously the formula for comparing market caps is drastically simplified and doesn't account for many variables. MYMINER for example doesn't design its own chips and buys from other firms, constructing their own machines. Comparing them against AM is unfair from a cost perspective since they'll theoretically always have higher chip costs than firms that design and manufacture their own.

Also, the comparison of mining operation & mining equipment stocks against AM is not necessarily a zero sum game. AM only has 20-30% of the market - if a new player comes in and grabs 5-10% of the hashrate, they could take this from customers mining with older equipment and higher costs of electricity. It stands to reason that AM will probably lose some of this hashrate, but not necessarily a proportionate amount. As far as mining equipment sales go, Avalon, BFL and KnC aren't publicly traded. Everything else being equal, they stand as much to lose as AM and thus AM may or may not lose a proportionate share of the market when other publicly listed companies gain.

In general, your premise has validity, but there are a lot of factors that will go into who wins the next round. AM is the clear winner so far - how long they maintain their lead and who they share it with is definitely in question.

Come say December (2013), I admit that I have no idea what the field will look like.

maxmint (OP)
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 700
Merit: 500



View Profile
August 01, 2013, 03:50:00 PM
 #9

Obviously the formula for comparing market caps is drastically simplified and doesn't account for many variables.

Absolutely true. I just needed some kind of benchmark for my own decision making and started to compare all these new stocks to the top dog ASICMINER.
Although this might be a highly inaccurate method it does give some basic insights.

I will come up with a more detailed concept and users will be able to tweak parameters and enter their own data.
If you have suggestions, just let me know.

My PGP-Key: 462D02D8
Verify my messages using keybase: https://keybase.io/maxmint
canth
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1442
Merit: 1001



View Profile
August 01, 2013, 03:53:57 PM
 #10


Cool site, I think adding more assets should be your priority.

Ideas for more columns:

Operational [Yes/No]
Average dividend in the last 2 weeks

+1 on the dividends. I'd have 2 fields: Last Dividend in APR % and Average Dividend Last 4 Weeks in APR %.

maxmint (OP)
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 700
Merit: 500



View Profile
August 01, 2013, 04:15:48 PM
 #11

Thanks for all your helpful suggestions.

Ideas for more columns:
Operational [Yes/No]
Average dividend in the last 2 weeks
+1 on the dividends. I'd have 2 fields: Last Dividend in APR % and Average Dividend Last 4 Weeks in APR %.
Will definitely add dividends.


All of that, and a small graff o the price variation over the last 24 or 48 hours.
I'll try to add this as well.

You can also state the estimated production timelines and what technology nodes they are using (as 110/130nm chips need to be sold quickly as they will be outdated faster than anything else: they are the GPUs of tomorrow, as that was the tech used in ~2002 for building the first Pentium 4's, see bottom row for die sizes). The better the technology nodes, the more future-proof are the chips and the corresponding asset.
I'm not sure if separate columns for each of these things would make sense, but I could add a basic textual description including this data.

My PGP-Key: 462D02D8
Verify my messages using keybase: https://keybase.io/maxmint
foxykah
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 126
Merit: 100



View Profile
August 07, 2013, 10:39:31 AM
 #12

Also it could be useful if you could implement negative percents in the potential gain, so e.g. if a security is overvalued, then the potential price is lower than the actualy price, and the gain could be a negative percent.

Good things come to those who wait.
torbank
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 217
Merit: 100


View Profile
August 14, 2013, 06:27:45 AM
 #13

BTCGARDEN - Potential gain 0%
MPOE-PR
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 756
Merit: 522



View Profile
August 14, 2013, 12:42:43 PM
 #14

Also it could be useful if you could implement negative percents in the potential gain, so e.g. if a security is overvalued, then the potential price is lower than the actualy price, and the gain could be a negative percent.

That's the one heresy these pump-and-dump scams can't bear. Don't hold your breath.

My Credentials  | THE BTC Stock Exchange | I have my very own anthology! | Use bitcointa.lk, it's like this one but better.
Pages: [1]
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!