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December 28, 2017, 03:05:24 AM
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How will you argue the value of your bitcoin, when the US dollar and the US empire disapears, currently people compare their bitcoins value with the us dollar they can get for it,

and there are still people out there that work for US dollar, but what will you do when there is no us dollar more but there will be nebraska dollar, alaska dollar, etc.

how will you then explain people that your bitcoin is worth multiple LTC or multiple ripples?

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December 28, 2017, 04:34:54 AM
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you do realize that there are other currencies in the world apart from US dollar and there are a lot of other countries in the world each with their own fiat system, right? and if US dollar disappears, the people won't. and they will be using some currency, or unit of measurement for wealth. so you use the same thing as you use for reporting price of a potato to also report the price of bitcoin!

the only reason why everyone reports bitcoin price in USD is because most markets (the big exchanges) have USD market and also more importantly if i say bitcoin has fallen to ¥1,725,980 you'll first have to know what ¥ means then open up a converter/calculator to figure out if ¥1,725,980 is a lot or a little.

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December 28, 2017, 04:43:56 AM
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How will you argue the value of your bitcoin, when the US dollar and the US empire disapears, currently people compare their bitcoins value with the us dollar they can get for it,
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December 28, 2017, 04:50:52 AM
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Your Bitcoin is essentially worthless if you can't cash it out or use it as a form of currency. I can't see how you're a Sr. Member, yet still imply that BTC is worth what it is because of it's tie to US Dollars... When the USD crashes (yes WHEN, not IF), Bitcoin prices will RISE if anything... And not only can you exchange BTC to other crytpos fairly easily, you can cash out in any currency you choose, or choose any BTC-to-Credit Card service out there to withdraw from ATMs or use BTC on-the-fly at any merchant that accepts CC.

Not only that, there are plenty of merchants online that now accept BTC...

With all that said, as long as there is movement around transactions for BTC, the hodlers have nothing to worry about. And seriously speaking, I hope you don't think that there won't be a crypto economy when the dollar crashes. I can only see crytpocurrency getting stronger at that point. Crypto is the new form of currency.
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December 28, 2017, 06:01:44 AM
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Your Bitcoin is essentially worthless if you can't cash it out or use it as a form of currency. I can't see how you're a Sr. Member, yet still imply that BTC is worth what it is because of it's tie to US Dollars... When the USD crashes (yes WHEN, not IF), Bitcoin prices will RISE if anything... And not only can you exchange BTC to other crytpos fairly easily, you can cash out in any currency you choose, or choose any BTC-to-Credit Card service out there to withdraw from ATMs or use BTC on-the-fly at any merchant that accepts CC.

Not only that, there are plenty of merchants online that now accept BTC...

With all that said, as long as there is movement around transactions for BTC, the hodlers have nothing to worry about. And seriously speaking, I hope you don't think that there won't be a crypto economy when the dollar crashes. I can only see crytpocurrency getting stronger at that point. Crypto is the new form of currency.

I get the passion about bitcoin, the technology and its potential to free people's investments from the whims of the federal reserve and its coeterie of investment banks.
What I don't get is how could "crashing of USD" be a good thing?? If USD crashes, that'd essentially leave the US unable to do a lot of things that it does and has done in the world. (Despite Trump and white supremacists). If the currency that the government uses, loses its value, how is it going to defend the country, fund the public facilities and pay its army of employees that make the economy work.

So, In my opinion, there's never gonna be a "USD crashing" scenario. The strongest (and most belligerent when cornered) country in the world won't allow it. Especially with all the discrepancy in Bitcoin hashing power. Its not even a good scenario to contemplate. You really don't want the monotonous chinese to become more powerful and dictate policy to the world. I think despite its many flaws, the US has acted as a stabilizer in the world. I doubt any other country would have done any better.

What may actually happen with crypto is that it may allow millions of middle-class people to grow wealth the way the top 1% have been doing for decades. A middle-class person works his ass off to earn what the top people move around in a day. That discrepancy in "creating wealth" has what has caused so much problems.

With crypto, there is a chance that anybody willing to put in their brain-time to understand the ecosystem will earn for himself a comfortable keep. Of course, the 1% will swell due to the early adopters and I suppose a lot of them would be here from bitcointalk.org.. Cool How cool is that??!!

As far as OP is concerned, well that old Neo-Morpheus meme perfectly sums it.."You won't need to dodge bullets"..Crazy shit.. Cheesy
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December 28, 2017, 07:28:55 AM
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Why does everyone seem to assume that the US economy will collapse to nothing? I love Bitcoin and I genuinely believe it will play a massive part in the future, but it's far more likely to collapse than the US Dollar. The US is still the superpower and that isn't likely to change anytime soon.

Either way, the USD is only being used to gauge USD value because it's the most traded currency on the planet. If hell starts to freeze over and the USD collapses to nothing while Bitcoin is going as strong as ever, then I assume the next most traded currency will replace it.

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December 28, 2017, 07:41:30 AM
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I’m the opposite. I believe that bitcoin will outlast the US Dollar. I don’t have any facts to back up my theory, but I think that the dollar is literally going to be worthless while crypto takes over. I feel like digital currency is the future of US economics.
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December 29, 2017, 07:50:47 AM
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I’m the opposite. I believe that bitcoin will outlast the US Dollar. I don’t have any facts to back up my theory, but I think that the dollar is literally going to be worthless while crypto takes over. I feel like digital currency is the future of US economics.

It's wishful thinking. I don't think this is even possible in our lifetimes. I hate to be a pessimist, but as things stand, we don't even have a viable scalable cryptocurrency. It literally cannot take over because it can't handle the load. Even if it did, not every person and country has access to a crypto capable device, or even a reliably internet connection. Fiat will still be necessary for the foreseeable future. At best, I see Bitcoin coexisting with it.

I also think pretty much every currency will fail before the USD does. It's the unofficial primary reserve currency of the world, and is the official currency of one of, if not the strongest economy in the world.

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