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August 02, 2013, 09:10:18 AM
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Found this just now:

http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html

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LEGAL WARNING: Use of PuTTY, PSCP, PSFTP and Plink is illegal in countries where encryption is outlawed. I believe it is legal to use PuTTY, PSCP, PSFTP and Plink in England and Wales and in many other countries, but I am not a lawyer and so if in doubt you should seek legal advice before downloading it. You may find this site useful (it's a survey of cryptography laws in many countries) but I can't vouch for its correctness.

If what they claim is true in a country, wouldn't Bitcoin also be illegal?

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August 02, 2013, 09:19:30 AM
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Yes.  Next question. Smiley

Great historical stuff on this topic: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export_of_cryptography_in_the_United_States

http://www.philzimmermann.com/EN/essays/BookPreface.html

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August 02, 2013, 09:21:09 AM
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Bitcoin doesn't use encryption. 
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August 02, 2013, 09:24:47 AM
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Bitcoin doesn't use encryption. 
Right, just spending them does.

Hardforks aren't that hard. It’s getting others to use them that's hard.
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August 02, 2013, 09:26:35 AM
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Bitcoin doesn't use encryption. 
Right, just spending them does.

Nope.   The Bitcoin protocol uses absolutely no encryption anywhere for any purpose although some clients may encrypt wallets that isn't required or part of the protocol. 

Hint: encryption doesn't mean what you probably think it means.
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August 02, 2013, 09:36:33 AM
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If breathing were made illegal, would everyone suffocate?

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August 02, 2013, 09:42:04 AM
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If breathing were made illegal, would everyone suffocate?

The lawmakers would live ~ 4 minutes before dying. Then we likely wouldn't have such a law because the news of it spreading probably would not happen in 4 minutes. But people dying en masse due to suffocation would make the news.

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August 02, 2013, 12:08:47 PM
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Bitcoin doesn't use encryption. 

Hashing is considered by some to be encryption; in fact it's sometimes referred to as one-way encryption. You are technically correct though.

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August 02, 2013, 12:12:26 PM
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If breathing were made illegal, would everyone suffocate?

The lawmakers would live ~ 4 minutes before dying. Then we likely wouldn't have such a law because the news of it spreading probably would not happen in 4 minutes. But people dying en masse due to suffocation would make the news.

Politicians don't follow laws lol.

It would be an interesting experiment though. I wonder how many wouldn't make it before someone questioned why the politicians were still breathing
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August 04, 2013, 10:11:03 PM
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If breathing were made illegal, would everyone suffocate?

The lawmakers would live ~ 4 minutes before dying. Then we likely wouldn't have such a law because the news of it spreading probably would not happen in 4 minutes. But people dying en masse due to suffocation would make the news.

Politicians don't follow laws lol.

It would be an interesting experiment though. I wonder how many wouldn't make it before someone questioned why the politicians were still breathing

True unfortunately. Encryption won't be outlawed, at least not in the US, it's too vital economically, not to mention it's been tried before.

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August 04, 2013, 10:51:20 PM
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Why would encryption need to be outlawed?

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August 04, 2013, 11:08:44 PM
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Why would encryption need to be outlawed?

Serfs don't deserve to be able to keep secrets, only governments and corporations can. We're all potential terrorists after all, and the less like a terrorist we all behave, the more suspicious it is, we're bound to be hiding something... I could get turned terrorist tomorrow without even a hint of it today! Scary stuff.

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Encryption would be an unlawful attempt to deliberately thwart our nation's security procedures, which are in place to protect us all.   Roll Eyes


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August 05, 2013, 01:46:19 AM
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You can't outlaw mathematics, if you did it would be a bit like medieval europe where we'd get intelligent people being persecuted by the church all over again.
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August 05, 2013, 02:06:46 AM
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What's wrong about ecryption?

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