Bitcoin irony

[madmadmax]

The ironic part in Bitcoin is that it's a completely artificial (albeit carefully planned) market that aims to create the ultimate free market, why haven't the devs put any effort into a bounty system to tap into bitcoins network hashing potential? Call it Bitcoin+ and let people put up bounties for unique addresses/darknet union URLs, cracking FBI/bank passwords etc.

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[threeip]

You can't just hash into..

[madmadmax]

You can't just hash into..

1. Select hash type.
2. Select hash pattern.
3. Select reward in BTC per found key.
4. ? ? ? ?
5. PROFIT

[threeip]

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Block_hashing_algorithm

Edit: also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony

[madmadmax]

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Block_hashing_algorithm

Edit: also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony

?

Not one of your links is relevant at all.

[OgNasty]

It sounds like you're describing Primecoin or at least what Primecoin shows is possible.

[threeip]

Miners do specific work for the bitcoin protocol, it's not just any old equation.
Can you explain how this is ironic? Else I'm 2 for 2 on my links.

OgNasty, agreed.

[madmadmax]

Miners do specific work for the bitcoin protocol, it's not just any old equation.
Can you explain how this is ironic? Else I'm 2 for 2 on my links.

OgNasty, agreed.

READ THE ORIGINAL POST.

[threeip]

Read my replies.

[madmadmax]

Read my replies.

I have read your replies and reached the conclusion that you are a fool that doesn't understand how Bitcoin works nor what irony is yet try to explain it to other people.

[threeip]

Read my replies.

I have read your replies and reached the conclusion that you are a fool that doesn't understand how Bitcoin works nor what irony is yet try to explain it to other people.

what the fuck is this

How is 'cracking FBI passwords' related to the 'ultimate free market'?
Why would someone pay for a unique 'union' address? ( i lol'd)
Again, how is any of it ironic?

[Razick]

The ironic part in Bitcoin is that it's a completely artificial (albeit carefully planned) market that aims to create the ultimate free market, why haven't the devs put any effort into a bounty system to tap into bitcoins network hashing potential? Call it Bitcoin+ and let people put up bounties for unique addresses/darknet union URLs, cracking FBI/bank passwords etc.

Cracking bank passwords? Perfect, transform Bitcoin from an instrument of freedom to and instrument of theft. 

[pedrog]

are you this guy http://youtu.be/wgr3qEjbstM?t=1m33s OP?

[DannyHamilton]

Read my replies.

I have read your replies and reached the conclusion that you are a fool that doesn't understand how Bitcoin works nor what irony is yet try to explain it to other people.

You appear to be suffering from a case of psychological projection.

[pythonista]

The ironic part in Bitcoin is that it's a completely artificial (albeit carefully planned) market that aims to create the ultimate free market, why haven't the devs put any effort into a bounty system to tap into bitcoins network hashing potential? Call it Bitcoin+ and let people put up bounties for unique addresses/darknet union URLs, cracking FBI/bank passwords etc.

One important reason for having the seemingly pointless proof of work problem that bitcoin uses (as opposed to a useful problem), is that its difficulty can be adjusted up and down to regulate the block discovery time. If you were solving a useful problem like cracking keys, how could the difficulty be adjusted?

[Remember remember the 5th of November]

What is an FBI password?

[madmadmax]

The ironic part in Bitcoin is that it's a completely artificial (albeit carefully planned) market that aims to create the ultimate free market, why haven't the devs put any effort into a bounty system to tap into bitcoins network hashing potential? Call it Bitcoin+ and let people put up bounties for unique addresses/darknet union URLs, cracking FBI/bank passwords etc.

One important reason for having the seemingly pointless proof of work problem that bitcoin uses (as opposed to a useful problem), is that its difficulty can be adjusted up and down to regulate the block discovery time. If you were solving a useful problem like cracking keys, how could the difficulty be adjusted?

You would be paid in BTC for your work, the Bitcoins would be premined the same way they currently are.

are you this guy http://youtu.be/wgr3qEjbstM?t=1m33s OP?

I do not claim that Bitcoin is worthless since it wastes processing power. Chopping down trees and printing the heads of dead presidents on them isn't any different.

The ironic part in Bitcoin is that it's a completely artificial (albeit carefully planned) market that aims to create the ultimate free market, why haven't the devs put any effort into a bounty system to tap into bitcoins network hashing potential? Call it Bitcoin+ and let people put up bounties for unique addresses/darknet union URLs, cracking FBI/bank passwords etc.

Cracking bank passwords? Perfect, transform Bitcoin from an instrument of freedom to and instrument of theft.  

Is stealing from theives really a crime? There have been major crackdowns on Bitcoin by the central banks, why can't there be a crackdown on central banks by Bitcoin?

Read my replies.

I have read your replies and reached the conclusion that you are a fool that doesn't understand how Bitcoin works nor what irony is yet try to explain it to other people.

what the fuck is this

How is 'cracking FBI passwords' related to the 'ultimate free market'?
Why would someone pay for a unique 'union' address? ( i lol'd)
Again, how is any of it ironic?

Oh, I don't know, why would someone offering commercial services pay for a unique domain name? Instead of going to youtube.com you could go to TUCWUBRmshserzJwbNqZL4vL.com instead right?

Bitcoin is considered the ultimate tool of the free market, this is the reason it is popular in the cyberpunk, crypto-anarchistic and libertarian counterculture communities. Yet it is completely artificial and arbitrary with most of the values being modified by the selected few that own the bitcoin.org domain, the algorithm that controls the amount of Bitcoins created through time is also completely arbitrary.

Please name a market which is not artificial and we can go from there.

Well I think that most markets are artificial but not all, for example if I am a lawyer it is in my best interest to make the government add many new laws on a daily basis, thereby increasing my demand and thus increasing my pay, you could also say the same about universities, schools, many companies, and other competitive "intellectuals", the same isn't as true (or at least not to the same degree) for people in the creative mindset such as artists or people performing basic jobs that are likely to be demanded even in a state of total anarchy, resilient like cockroaches.

[Raoul Duke]

What is an FBI password?

Find Bitcoin Immediately password. FBI password, for short.

[DannyHamilton]

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the Bitcoins would be premined the same way they currently are.
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it is completely artificial and arbitrary with most of the values being modified by the selected few that own the bitcoin.org domain, the algorithm that controls the amount of Bitcoins created through time is also completely arbitrary.
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I suggest you take some time to read the Satoshi White paper and attempt to gain a slightly better understanding about how bitcoin works before you waste time saying things that don't make any sense.

[madmadmax]

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the Bitcoins would be premined the same way they currently are.
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it is completely artificial and arbitrary with most of the values being modified by the selected few that own the bitcoin.org domain, the algorithm that controls the amount of Bitcoins created through time is also completely arbitrary.
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I suggest you take some time to read the Satoshi White paper and attempt to gain a slightly better understanding about how bitcoin works before you waste time saying things that don't make any sense.

The Bitcoins would be mined by the person looking for the service and put up as bounty, what is so hard to understand? Why is this thread like a magnet for fools/trolls lol...

[vokain]

Read my replies.

I have read your replies and reached the conclusion that you are a fool that doesn't understand how Bitcoin works nor what irony is yet try to explain it to other people.

Now this is ironic, in that you think you're the smarter man but manage to make yourself look even more foolish

[vokain]

Why is this thread like a magnet for fools/trolls lol...

Sweet irony at last.

It's really one of the best things cognition ever offered us, so beautiful :')

[Elwar]

irony is having 10,000 spoons when all you need is a knife

[threeip]

irony is having 10,000 spoons when all you need is a knife

When the only tool you have is a spoon, every problem starts to look like applesauce.

A bad workman always blames his applesauce

[Razick]

Is stealing from theives really a crime? There have been major crackdowns on Bitcoin by the central banks, why can't there be a crackdown on central banks by Bitcoin?

You aren't just stealing from banks, many of which don't know any better, you are stealing from depositors and anyone who has a vested interest in a bank. Not to mention I reject the concept that all banks are evil, my quarrel is mainly with the Fed.

You didn't say central banks either, you said "banks."

If Bitcoin became nothing but a system to use for theft, I would not use it, and neither would many other people. That's how you let the Fed win.

EDIT: I don't agree with breaking FBI passwords either, and regardless of if you agree with the government (which I don't) the many reasons why should be obvious.

This thread is entirely baseless, Bitcoin is very well thought out, and using it to steal money will not make it better.

[vokain]

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[madmadmax]

Is stealing from theives really a crime? There have been major crackdowns on Bitcoin by the central banks, why can't there be a crackdown on central banks by Bitcoin?

You aren't just stealing from banks, many of which don't know any better, you are stealing from depositors and anyone who has a vested interest in a bank. Not to mention I reject the concept that all banks are evil, my quarrel is mainly with the Fed.

You didn't say central banks either, you said "banks."

If Bitcoin became nothing but a system to use for theft, I would not use it, and neither would many other people. That's how you let the Fed win.

EDIT: I don't agree with breaking FBI passwords either, and regardless of if you agree with the government (which I don't) the many reasons why should be obvious.

This thread is entirely baseless, Bitcoin is very well thought out, and using it to steal money will not make it better.

Not necessarily for stealing money or cracking FBI passwords, I was half kidding when writing that. More of a way of giving something back instead of burning cycles for no reason, I understand that manufacturing dollars is probably an even bigger waste of energy but we should aim to be better than dollars, not worse.

[MagicMike523]

This thread is absolutely bizarre.

More of a way of giving something back instead of burning cycles for no reason

How is this guy a senior member? What is going on?

[Cyberdyne]

What is an FBI password?

12345

But if anyone asks, you didn't hear it from me.

[vokain]

the amount of ignorance i have run into recently is astounding. it's almost like i'm back on GameFAQs

[Lethn]

CoD PWNZ0RZ!!!111 H4l0 f04r F4c1ng n00bs!

Edit: Sorry, I had to

[madmadmax]

This thread is absolutely bizarre.

More of a way of giving something back instead of burning cycles for no reason

How is this guy a senior member? What is going on?

Summer, hot weather... Must be harvest time  

You mirin' my buds? Look at dem juicy trichs... That's some dank right there

the amount of ignorance i have run into recently is astounding. it's almost like i'm back on GameFAQs

Please enlighten us, what is so ignorant in particular?

[kjj]

Bitcoin is considered the ultimate tool of the free market, this is the reason it is popular in the cyberpunk, crypto-anarchistic and libertarian counterculture communities. Yet it is completely artificial and arbitrary with most of the values being modified by the selected few that own the bitcoin.org domain, the algorithm that controls the amount of Bitcoins created through time is also completely arbitrary.

I believe I have found the source of the problem.

The proof of work function needs special properties.  So far, the only class of functions that have the properties we need are cryptographic hashes.  Among the few cryptographic hashes available and trusted at the time of release, SHA2-256 provides the best tradeoff between dynamic range and length of output.  Others could have been chosen, and can be chosen in the future, if some pressing need arises.  But don't fool yourself into thinking that there is some function out there that does useful work at the same time.  That would be the holy grail of proof-of-work systems, and lots of people are looking without results.

Then, there are fundamental constants.  These were arbitrary (within a broad range) at the time the system was started.  Why is 600 seconds the goal for the average block time instead of 500 or 700?  Why was the initial subsidy 50 BTC rather than 10 or 100?  No particular reason.  But, once we started using bitcoin, these arbitrary constants stopped being arbitrary.  Now we maintain them because we all agreed to them, and no one has the power to force a change.

And last, there are implementation values.  These are the ones that are, in your words, "being modified by the select few that own the bitcoin.org domain".*  Things like the fee for relay values, etc.  These influence how nodes interact with each other, but don't change the fundamental rules of the system.

Also, there is a fourth class, protocol constants.  These are really a subset of the implementation values, which is why I don't mind putting them after the "last" thing.  These are things that would require wide adoption to work, but don't really change the rules of the game.  For example, If we ever find that 8 places of precision aren't enough, we can make a new transaction version with a wider field and/or a different scaling factor.  This would hard fork old versions off, but wouldn't change the rules of the system.

*  Just for the record, that totally isn't how it works.  The developers can make changes to the software, but they can't make anyone actually use it, so their power to change these values is limited by the public's willingness to accept their changes.  And the software is totally open and free, so any person or group that doesn't like something can fork their own version.

[madmadmax]

Bitcoin is considered the ultimate tool of the free market, this is the reason it is popular in the cyberpunk, crypto-anarchistic and libertarian counterculture communities. Yet it is completely artificial and arbitrary with most of the values being modified by the selected few that own the bitcoin.org domain, the algorithm that controls the amount of Bitcoins created through time is also completely arbitrary.

I believe I have found the source of the problem.

The proof of work function needs special properties.  So far, the only class of functions that have the properties we need are cryptographic hashes.  Among the few cryptographic hashes available and trusted at the time of release, SHA2-256 provides the best tradeoff between dynamic range and length of output.  Others could have been chosen, and can be chosen in the future, if some pressing need arises.  But don't fool yourself into thinking that there is some function out there that does useful work at the same time.  That would be the holy grail of proof-of-work systems, and lots of people are looking without results.

Then, there are fundamental constants.  These were arbitrary (within a broad range) at the time the system was started.  Why is 600 seconds the goal for the average block time instead of 500 or 700?  Why was the initial subsidy 50 BTC rather than 10 or 100?  No particular reason.  But, once we started using bitcoin, these arbitrary constants stopped being arbitrary.  Now we maintain them because we all agreed to them, and no one has the power to force a change.

And last, there are implementation values.  These are the ones that are, in your words, "being modified by the select few that own the bitcoin.org domain".*  Things like the fee for relay values, etc.  These influence how nodes interact with each other, but don't change the fundamental rules of the system.

Also, there is a fourth class, protocol constants.  These are really a subset of the implementation values, which is why I don't mind putting them after the "last" thing.  These are things that would require wide adoption to work, but don't really change the rules of the game.  For example, If we ever find that 8 places of precision aren't enough, we can make a new transaction version with a wider field and/or a different scaling factor.  This would hard fork old versions off, but wouldn't change the rules of the system.

*  Just for the record, that totally isn't how it works.  The developers can make changes to the software, but they can't make anyone actually use it, so their power to change these values is limited by the public's willingness to accept their changes.  And the software is totally open and free, so any person or group that doesn't like something can fork their own version.

It is rather naive to think so, the same kind of nativity is applied to politics where people actually believe that democracy is "fair" because every person has a choice. Gavin could replace the bitcoin-qt client at bitcoin.org overnight and let the stupid masses that don't know squat empower his flawed decision.

[madmadmax]

Bitcoin is considered the ultimate tool of the free market, this is the reason it is popular in the cyberpunk, crypto-anarchistic and libertarian counterculture communities. Yet it is completely artificial and arbitrary with most of the values being modified by the selected few that own the bitcoin.org domain, the algorithm that controls the amount of Bitcoins created through time is also completely arbitrary.

I believe I have found the source of the problem.

The proof of work function needs special properties.  So far, the only class of functions that have the properties we need are cryptographic hashes.  Among the few cryptographic hashes available and trusted at the time of release, SHA2-256 provides the best tradeoff between dynamic range and length of output.  Others could have been chosen, and can be chosen in the future, if some pressing need arises.  But don't fool yourself into thinking that there is some function out there that does useful work at the same time.  That would be the holy grail of proof-of-work systems, and lots of people are looking without results.

Then, there are fundamental constants.  These were arbitrary (within a broad range) at the time the system was started.  Why is 600 seconds the goal for the average block time instead of 500 or 700?  Why was the initial subsidy 50 BTC rather than 10 or 100?  No particular reason.  But, once we started using bitcoin, these arbitrary constants stopped being arbitrary.  Now we maintain them because we all agreed to them, and no one has the power to force a change.

And last, there are implementation values.  These are the ones that are, in your words, "being modified by the select few that own the bitcoin.org domain".*  Things like the fee for relay values, etc.  These influence how nodes interact with each other, but don't change the fundamental rules of the system.

Also, there is a fourth class, protocol constants.  These are really a subset of the implementation values, which is why I don't mind putting them after the "last" thing.  These are things that would require wide adoption to work, but don't really change the rules of the game.  For example, If we ever find that 8 places of precision aren't enough, we can make a new transaction version with a wider field and/or a different scaling factor.  This would hard fork old versions off, but wouldn't change the rules of the system.

*  Just for the record, that totally isn't how it works.  The developers can make changes to the software, but they can't make anyone actually use it, so their power to change these values is limited by the public's willingness to accept their changes.  And the software is totally open and free, so any person or group that doesn't like something can fork their own version.

It is rather naive to think so, the same kind of nativity is applied to politics where people actually believe that democracy is "fair" because every person has a choice. Gavin could replace the bitcoin-qt client at bitcoin.org overnight and let the stupid masses that don't know squat empower his flawed decision.

Tadaa, two years later we are at that precise point, as predicted by me.

Yes we could remain loyal to the 50%< (or more precisely 100%) of the hashing power which what everyone who has half a brain would do but Gavin is Gavin.

[inBitweTrust]

It is rather naive to think so, the same kind of nativity is applied to politics where people actually believe that democracy is "fair" because every person has a choice. Gavin could replace the bitcoin-qt client at bitcoin.org overnight and let the stupid masses that don't know squat empower his flawed decision.

So to you "overnight" is a long drawn out process of debate,tests, and consensus building lasting at least 6 months or longer? \

Interesting....

[R2D221]

You still need to explain how is Gavin's hard fork proposal evil or otherwise not good for us.

[Elwar]

[inBitweTrust]

Necro'ing old threads is fine.



It is the persistence of the lunacy and flaws in reason which concern me.

[madmadmax]

It is rather naive to think so, the same kind of nativity is applied to politics where people actually believe that democracy is "fair" because every person has a choice. Gavin could replace the bitcoin-qt client at bitcoin.org overnight and let the stupid masses that don't know squat empower his flawed decision.

So to you "overnight" is a long drawn out process of debate,tests, and consensus building lasting at least 6 months or longer? \

Interesting....

Not if all parties in set debates are controlled by the USG.

Sybil attacks applied to debates.

[inBitweTrust]

Not if all parties in set debates are controlled by the USG.

Sybil attacks applied to debates.

All the developers and Bitcoin full nodes are controlled by the USG? Do you seriously believe this?

[madmadmax]

Not if all parties in set debates are controlled by the USG.

Sybil attacks applied to debates.

All the developers and Bitcoin full nodes are controlled by the USG? Do you seriously believe this?

All developers don't need to be controlled, just Gavin, the rest who cannot formulate their own opinion will follow like a flock of sheep.

[inBitweTrust]

All developers don't need to be controlled, just Gavin, the rest who cannot formulate their own opinion will follow like a flock of sheep.

Incorrect. Gavin has to have consensus with the other developers first. But for the sake of argument lets say you are right and there is a secret government cabal of devs working for the man at the bohemian grove. What the devs do doesn't mean anything unless they can convince all full nodes to upgrade.

So are you suggesting all full nodes are controlled by the USG?

[madmadmax]

All developers don't need to be controlled, just Gavin, the rest who cannot formulate their own opinion will follow like a flock of sheep.

Incorrect. Gavin has to have consensus with the other developers first. But for the sake of argument lets say you are right and there is a secret government cabal of devs working for the man at the bohemian grove. What the devs do doesn't mean anything unless they can convince all full nodes to upgrade.

So are you suggesting all full nodes are controlled by the USG?

Most are influenced by the USG, only a small portion are capable of formulating and truly understanding ideas by analysing them carefully I have no doubt at the back of my mind that we will end up overpowered.

[inBitweTrust]

Most are influenced by the USG, only a small portion are capable of formulating and truly understanding ideas by analysing them carefully I have no doubt at the back of my mind that we will end up overpowered.

Now you are back-peddling to say "influenced" instead of "controlled"?
Understood, you are convinced of defeat is inevitable . No point in discussing matters further with you than.

[madmadmax]

Most are influenced by the USG, only a small portion are capable of formulating and truly understanding ideas by analysing them carefully I have no doubt at the back of my mind that we will end up overpowered.

Now you are back-peddling to say "influenced" instead of "controlled"?
Understood, you are convinced of defeat is inevitable . No point in discussing matters further with you than.

Most of the bullshit foundation are controlled, controlled not as in every person is worth 1 and they control the most, controlled as in Gavin is worth 35, someone else is worth 0.1 perhaps and so on.

Most of the nodes are influenced however, controlled would imply under direct control as-in SSH and registered with the chief executive of the CIAs Paypal. Defeat is inevitable for the sheep, us wolves will get richer no matter what, it's the stupid masses getting swindled of what isn't their to begin with.

[Elwar]

Most are influenced by the USG, only a small portion are capable of formulating and truly understanding ideas by analysing them carefully I have no doubt at the back of my mind that we will end up overpowered.

Now you are back-peddling to say "influenced" instead of "controlled"?
Understood, you are convinced of defeat is inevitable . No point in discussing matters further with you than.

Most of the bullshit foundation are controlled, controlled not as in every person is worth 1 and they control the most, controlled as in Gavin is worth 35, someone else is worth 0.1 perhaps and so on.

Most of the nodes are influenced however, controlled would imply under direct control as-in SSH and registered with the chief executive of the CIAs Paypal. Defeat is inevitable for the sheep, us wolves will get richer no matter what, it's the stupid masses getting swindled of what isn't their to begin with.

Tinfoil body suit wearer not affected.

[madmadmax]

Most are influenced by the USG, only a small portion are capable of formulating and truly understanding ideas by analysing them carefully I have no doubt at the back of my mind that we will end up overpowered.

Now you are back-peddling to say "influenced" instead of "controlled"?
Understood, you are convinced of defeat is inevitable . No point in discussing matters further with you than.

Most of the bullshit foundation are controlled, controlled not as in every person is worth 1 and they control the most, controlled as in Gavin is worth 35, someone else is worth 0.1 perhaps and so on.

Most of the nodes are influenced however, controlled would imply under direct control as-in SSH and registered with the chief executive of the CIAs Paypal. Defeat is inevitable for the sheep, us wolves will get richer no matter what, it's the stupid masses getting swindled of what isn't their to begin with.

Tinfoil body suit wearer not affected.

It's not paranoia if it's really happening, wait and see would be my answer, I shall quote myself again

[R2D221]

“Mark my words”, as everyone here likes to say.

[BitCoinNutJob]

Why do some many thread turn into arguments where people are beating the shit out of eachother, glad i cant be bothered with all that anyone.

[pereira4]

This is ridiculous and what a way to kill the price and use other than using it as a tool of theft. Hey everybody lets use Bitcoin to steal government funds so we can get Bitcoin looked down upon by everyone and have tons of regulations and bans on it! This will be great and there will be no way to exchange it for local currency except in person which would be super sketch!

How about we keep Bitcoin the way it is and you get over your crazy idea to kill Bitcoin.

I think it's safe to say OP watches too many movies, given his post content and forum avatar.
One doesnt simply "crack into the FBI"..

[slaveforanunnak1]

It sounds like you're describing Primecoin or at least what Primecoin shows is possible.

correct, but expanded to not just prime numbers but any number that is valuable to some party!
I like this idea!!! lol
I'm sure you can write this in 2 lines of code when ethereum comes out

madmadmax, you and I think a like. I'm also a conspiracy FACTist and I can only image what the 3 letter gov agencies are doing to infiltrate and control btc.

[madmadmax]

This is ridiculous and what a way to kill the price and use other than using it as a tool of theft. Hey everybody lets use Bitcoin to steal government funds so we can get Bitcoin looked down upon by everyone and have tons of regulations and bans on it! This will be great and there will be no way to exchange it for local currency except in person which would be super sketch!

How about we keep Bitcoin the way it is and you get over your crazy idea to kill Bitcoin.

I think it's safe to say OP watches too many movies, given his post content and forum avatar.
One doesnt simply "crack into the FBI"..

Like they say don't kid around stupid people because they might think they are in good company.

[kjj]

Tadaa, two years later we are at that precise point, as predicted by me.

Yes we could remain loyal to the 50%< (or more precisely 100%) of the hashing power which what everyone who has half a brain would do but Gavin is Gavin.

What did you predict?  Sorry, I just read this whole thread again, and I must've missed it.

[turvarya]

Tadaa, two years later we are at that precise point, as predicted by me.

Yes we could remain loyal to the 50%< (or more precisely 100%) of the hashing power which what everyone who has half a brain would do but Gavin is Gavin.

What did you predict?  Sorry, I just read this whole thread again, and I must've missed it.

He "predicted" that Gavin will propose a hard fork. Big deal.

His exact words were

Gavin could replace the bitcoin-qt client at bitcoin.org overnight and let the stupid masses that don't know squat empower his flawed decision.

which doesn't have anything to do, with what is happening right now.