[OPEN] Hash Fast pre-order units mining shares 4Th/s 3936/4000 shares available

[baloo_kiev]

Can somebody please provide the calculations on this investment
showing ROI after Increased difficulty and October/Early November delivery?

Why would you trust calculations made by someone else instaed of doing your own? Also, Nostradamus haven't written what the difficulty will be in November unfortunately.

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[reactor]

Can somebody please provide the calculations on this investment
showing ROI after Increased difficulty and October/Early November delivery?

I've been pondering the same thing. The question you have to ask yourself is what do you think the average rate of difficulty increase you expect to see? To me it seems that we are entering explosive difficulty growth. The next difficulty increase to hit looks to be about 30%. If that is sustained you are looking at 50-60% growth per month. While not perfect I found a good calculator I like to use. It would be nice if it did more than monthly difficulty increases but it's close enough for rough numbers.

You can find it here: btcinvest calculator

I plugged some numbers in and assuming 50% difficulty growth per month you would get about a 66% return on your .15 btc invested over one year. ROI would be achieved after nine weeks of hashing assuming it starts on November 1. So you are looking at ROI, with these assumptions, by January 1.

You can find the calculator with the parameters I used here: btcinvest assumptions.

The two major factors here are of course delivery time and difficulty.

I'm very tempted to jump in on this. I'll probably make a decision early next week but wouldn't be able to get funds for many days.

ROI is questionable on these units because of uncertain factors.  Canary put in an order totaling roughly $56000 and is collecting BTC (if all shares sell, with current BTC price) to the tune of $60000 (assuming this covers their shipping as well).  This also means that Canary achieves instant ROI if all shares sell, meanwhile folks buying shares will get dividends and may reach ROI.  It's a tremendous bet to make right now, especially with Avalon (if we can trust them anymore ) saying they'll have new hardware in the same timeframe this is being delivered.

[MikeMike]

Can somebody please provide the calculations on this investment
showing ROI after Increased difficulty and October/Early November delivery?

I've been pondering the same thing. The question you have to ask yourself is what do you think the average rate of difficulty increase you expect to see? To me it seems that we are entering explosive difficulty growth. The next difficulty increase to hit looks to be about 30%. If that is sustained you are looking at 50-60% growth per month. While not perfect I found a good calculator I like to use. It would be nice if it did more than monthly difficulty increases but it's close enough for rough numbers.

You can find it here: btcinvest calculator

I plugged some numbers in and assuming 50% difficulty growth per month you would get about a 66% return on your .15 btc invested over one year. ROI would be achieved after nine weeks of hashing assuming it starts on November 1. So you are looking at ROI, with these assumptions, by January 1.

You can find the calculator with the parameters I used here: btcinvest assumptions.

The two major factors here are of course delivery time and difficulty.

I'm very tempted to jump in on this. I'll probably make a decision early next week but wouldn't be able to get funds for many days.

http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/

[MikeMike]

Can somebody please provide the calculations on this investment
showing ROI after Increased difficulty and October/Early November delivery?

Why would you trust calculations made by someone else instaed of doing your own? Also, Nostradamus haven't written what the difficulty will be in November unfortunately.

Please post your calculations.

[MikeMike]

Can somebody please provide the calculations on this investment
showing ROI after Increased difficulty and October/Early November delivery?

I've been pondering the same thing. The question you have to ask yourself is what do you think the average rate of difficulty increase you expect to see? To me it seems that we are entering explosive difficulty growth. The next difficulty increase to hit looks to be about 30%. If that is sustained you are looking at 50-60% growth per month. While not perfect I found a good calculator I like to use. It would be nice if it did more than monthly difficulty increases but it's close enough for rough numbers.

You can find it here: btcinvest calculator

I plugged some numbers in and assuming 50% difficulty growth per month you would get about a 66% return on your .15 btc invested over one year. ROI would be achieved after nine weeks of hashing assuming it starts on November 1. So you are looking at ROI, with these assumptions, by January 1.

You can find the calculator with the parameters I used here: btcinvest assumptions.

The two major factors here are of course delivery time and difficulty.

I'm very tempted to jump in on this. I'll probably make a decision early next week but wouldn't be able to get funds for many days.

ROI is questionable on these units because of uncertain factors.  Canary put in an order totaling roughly $56000 and is collecting BTC (if all shares sell, with current BTC price) to the tune of $60000 (assuming this covers their shipping as well).  This also means that Canary achieves instant ROI if all shares sell, meanwhile folks buying shares will get dividends and may reach ROI.  It's a tremendous bet to make right now, especially with Avalon (if we can trust them anymore ) saying they'll have new hardware in the same timeframe this is being delivered.

OK, so figure 3,500 shares with a fee of .05 that is 15,000.00
Don't get me wrong.
I'd love to jump in this GB and I don't mind someone making a buck.
Just want to see some compelling evidence on ROI.

[drofdelm]

Can somebody please provide the calculations on this investment
showing ROI after Increased difficulty and October/Early November delivery?

I've been pondering the same thing. The question you have to ask yourself is what do you think the average rate of difficulty increase you expect to see? To me it seems that we are entering explosive difficulty growth. The next difficulty increase to hit looks to be about 30%. If that is sustained you are looking at 50-60% growth per month. While not perfect I found a good calculator I like to use. It would be nice if it did more than monthly difficulty increases but it's close enough for rough numbers.

You can find it here: btcinvest calculator

I plugged some numbers in and assuming 50% difficulty growth per month you would get about a 66% return on your .15 btc invested over one year. ROI would be achieved after nine weeks of hashing assuming it starts on November 1. So you are looking at ROI, with these assumptions, by January 1.

You can find the calculator with the parameters I used here: btcinvest assumptions.

The two major factors here are of course delivery time and difficulty.

I'm very tempted to jump in on this. I'll probably make a decision early next week but wouldn't be able to get funds for many days.

http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/

Wow. I didn't realize that the current 30 day average was 75%. It looked to me it was more in the 60% range. Anything north of 65% quickly becomes a money pit. Thanks for showing me that.

[MikeMike]

Can somebody please provide the calculations on this investment
showing ROI after Increased difficulty and October/Early November delivery?

I've been pondering the same thing. The question you have to ask yourself is what do you think the average rate of difficulty increase you expect to see? To me it seems that we are entering explosive difficulty growth. The next difficulty increase to hit looks to be about 30%. If that is sustained you are looking at 50-60% growth per month. While not perfect I found a good calculator I like to use. It would be nice if it did more than monthly difficulty increases but it's close enough for rough numbers.

You can find it here: btcinvest calculator

I plugged some numbers in and assuming 50% difficulty growth per month you would get about a 66% return on your .15 btc invested over one year. ROI would be achieved after nine weeks of hashing assuming it starts on November 1. So you are looking at ROI, with these assumptions, by January 1.

You can find the calculator with the parameters I used here: btcinvest assumptions.

The two major factors here are of course delivery time and difficulty.

I'm very tempted to jump in on this. I'll probably make a decision early next week but wouldn't be able to get funds for many days.

http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/

Wow. I didn't realize that the current 30 day average was 75%. It looked to me it was more in the 60% range. Anything north of 65% quickly becomes a money pit. Thanks for showing me that.

What changes this is BTC price.
IMO fair value is over 125USD per share and quickly becoming justified to hit the 200+ range.

[drofdelm]

Can somebody please provide the calculations on this investment
showing ROI after Increased difficulty and October/Early November delivery?

I've been pondering the same thing. The question you have to ask yourself is what do you think the average rate of difficulty increase you expect to see? To me it seems that we are entering explosive difficulty growth. The next difficulty increase to hit looks to be about 30%. If that is sustained you are looking at 50-60% growth per month. While not perfect I found a good calculator I like to use. It would be nice if it did more than monthly difficulty increases but it's close enough for rough numbers.

You can find it here: btcinvest calculator

I plugged some numbers in and assuming 50% difficulty growth per month you would get about a 66% return on your .15 btc invested over one year. ROI would be achieved after nine weeks of hashing assuming it starts on November 1. So you are looking at ROI, with these assumptions, by January 1.

You can find the calculator with the parameters I used here: btcinvest assumptions.

The two major factors here are of course delivery time and difficulty.

I'm very tempted to jump in on this. I'll probably make a decision early next week but wouldn't be able to get funds for many days.

http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/

Wow. I didn't realize that the current 30 day average was 75%. It looked to me it was more in the 60% range. Anything north of 65% quickly becomes a money pit. Thanks for showing me that.

What changes this is BTC price.
IMO fair value is over 125USD per share and quickly becoming justified to hit the 200+ range.

Another way to look at it is get in get out with long term holding. I want to get back my capital as quickly as possible and then get as many bitcoins as possible from that investment. Lather, rinse, repeat. That of course doesn't work if you can't get it back out.

But I think we are now well off topic. This is the last I have to say on the matter.

[baloo_kiev]

Please post your calculations.

Estimated mining power by October:

Minimum: 100TH AM + 100TH Avalon + 300TH Avalon chips + 200TH Bitfury + 300TH BFL = 1PH
Realistic: 300TH AM + 100TH Avalon + 500TH Avalon chips + 500TH Bitfury + 1PH BFL + 500TH KNC = 3PH (actually up to 5 or 6 with all upcoming hardware)

Revenue per GH per day: from 1 to 4 mBTC

Lifetime revenue:
The very best case (totally unrealistic) scenario: 1PH by October and 10x growth per year after that: 0.6 BTC/GH
Much more realistic case: 3PH by October and 100x growth per year after that: 0.1 BTC/GH
The worst case: 6PH by October and 1000x growth per year after that: 0.03 BTC/GH

P.S. Conclusion: why would I ever fuck with mining? CoinLenders pay 25% APR, JustDice currently about 10% per month.

[MikeMike]

Please post your calculations.

Estimated mining power by October:

Minimum: 100TH AM + 100TH Avalon + 300TH Avalon chips + 200TH Bitfury + 300TH BFL = 1PH
Realistic: 300TH AM + 100TH Avalon + 500TH Avalon chips + 500TH Bitfury + 1PH BFL + 500TH KNC = 3PH (actually up to 5 or 6 with all upcoming hardware)

Revenue per GH per day: from 1 to 4 mBTC

Lifetime revenue:
The very best case (totally unrealistic) scenario: 1PH by October and 10x growth per year after that: 0.6 BTC/GH
Much more realistic case: 3PH by October and 100x growth per year after that: 0.1 BTC/GH
The worst case: 6PH by October and 1000x growth per year after that: 0.03 BTC/GH

fantastic and thanks!

How does someone new to BTC with an Investment say on a scale of 20-999 GH/s make sense of it so they can make wise Investment choices in the GH/s market.

[reactor]

Please post your calculations.

Estimated mining power by October:

Minimum: 100TH AM + 100TH Avalon + 300TH Avalon chips + 200TH Bitfury + 300TH BFL = 1PH
Realistic: 300TH AM + 100TH Avalon + 500TH Avalon chips + 500TH Bitfury + 1PH BFL + 500TH KNC = 3PH (actually up to 5 or 6 with all upcoming hardware)

Revenue per GH per day: from 1 to 4 mBTC

Lifetime revenue:
The very best case (totally unrealistic) scenario: 1PH by October and 10x growth per year after that: 0.6 BTC/GH
Much more realistic case: 3PH by October and 100x growth per year after that: 0.1 BTC/GH
The worst case: 6PH by October and 1000x growth per year after that: 0.03 BTC/GH

fantastic and thanks!

How does someone new to BTC with an Investment say on a scale of 20-999 GH/s make sense of it so they can make wise Investment choices in the GH/s market.

Don't want to derail Canary's thread too much, conversation in regards to this is happening over in speculation:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=270200.0

[baloo_kiev]

How does someone new to BTC with an Investment say on a scale of 20-999 GH/s make sense of it so they can make wise Investment choices in the GH/s market.

My opinion is that currently mining powers are overpriced and mining market is over-saturated in sense that already ordered and paid powers costed more than all coins they will ever mine. I think that the right choice here is waiting until the next increase in price (say, to $500 per BTC), so you can order the hardware much cheaper (in BTC). Another option is betting against mining (look towards CB.IDIFF-O and DMS.SELLING securities at btct.co). Also, there are some promising mining-unrelated investment options like CoinLenders and Just-Dice.

[MikeMike]

Please post your calculations.

Estimated mining power by October:

Minimum: 100TH AM + 100TH Avalon + 300TH Avalon chips + 200TH Bitfury + 300TH BFL = 1PH
Realistic: 300TH AM + 100TH Avalon + 500TH Avalon chips + 500TH Bitfury + 1PH BFL + 500TH KNC = 3PH (actually up to 5 or 6 with all upcoming hardware)

Revenue per GH per day: from 1 to 4 mBTC

Lifetime revenue:
The very best case (totally unrealistic) scenario: 1PH by October and 10x growth per year after that: 0.6 BTC/GH
Much more realistic case: 3PH by October and 100x growth per year after that: 0.1 BTC/GH
The worst case: 6PH by October and 1000x growth per year after that: 0.03 BTC/GH

fantastic and thanks!

How does someone new to BTC with an Investment say on a scale of 20-999 GH/s make sense of it so they can make wise Investment choices in the GH/s market.

Don't want to derail Canary's thread too much, conversation in regards to this is happening over in speculation:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=270200.0

OK good.
Though I'm seriously considering this GB...

[nubbins]

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[bbxx]

beware!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=270384.msg2898990#msg2898990

it can be scam.

[bl0odless1]

I'll nibble... 2 shares purchased for a starter position.

2 shares; 0.30 BTC; ae38420c0b103bd17a759c396a37cd95926ef5c21efa27079c7ec12125db0fe2; 1HN9jKX5b7ptyyUXMuTkrheRwYPCPnHmGK;

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[west17m]

I'll be in for at least a few shares.

[addzz]

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[worldlybedouin]

Hi Canary,

Here's my 2cents:

Worldly; 2 shares; .3BTC; d38aa0c09ab5318610516d3e83eb5becb8c0559581eafc09049b01f2c63eb9d5; 18XgMHvg5yHaea6Ft3hPoiLkwEQ7k4TNxv; 18XgMHvg5yHaea6Ft3hPoiLkwEQ7k4TNxv


Thanks!

[gateway]

beware!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=270384.msg2898990#msg2898990

it can be scam.

It's not a scam! Btw nice avatar