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January 10, 2018, 09:13:54 PM
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Be aware. Do your own research, everything is a scam, false promises, false information.


Their linkedins are fake, they faked profiles in crunchbase, xing and other network to look trusthworthy.

https://www.linkedin.com/company/2061291/ has 98 employees in Linkedin, most of them are ico related or sockpuppets fakes accounts, a lot of "project managers".



"In early days, we used LinkedIn to invite people to join our network. Because LinkedIn limits the amount of invitations and messages you can send a day per account, we set up multiple accounts. Those accounts have been there for years and are for the ICO. We never said we have 95 people. We have 25 people. That has been consistent in all material."

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January 10, 2018, 09:26:30 PM
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ALWAYS DO YOUR RESEARCH.

You may appreciate the following information from the people actually involved with the project .......

Best,

Kristen
TraDove Admin


1. YouTuber @TheGobOne to interview Kent Yan live on January 12th.
Set reminder here ==> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AINMEkW77VM

2. Richard Rosenberg on TraDove: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Miwkpdl8Mtg&t=5s

3. Mike Honda on TraDove: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lToEaSAVb10&t=1s


And this message from TraDove CEO Kent Yan:

1.  About the scam issue. There are false claims that we are a scam. We have done our best to present our information. Many of them are self proving like those videos from our advisors. We cannot prove to every claim that we are, so you should make your own judgement. We will defend legally any false claims that cause damage for us. Fortunately, up to now, this has not happened as those people could not provide any evidence.

2.  About our process. Because we take both BTC, ETH and Fiat, we have to manage the process semi-automatically. A. You have to upload your KYC info so we would be SEC compliant by approving you. Meaning we have to read your passport or ID, that cannot be done automatically  especially with obscure picture. Build a machine reading system will take lots of time and resources.  B. After you place the order and upload the proof, we have to proof read and compare it with our wallets and bank accounts. BTC and ETH are easy. But Fiat wire is more tedious and time consuming as we have to compare it with our bank account. So we cannot do smart contract for multiple channel verification. It has to be done semiautomatically. We actually prefer wire as we don’t need to convert BTC and ETH to cash to finance our operation. Again building an auto proofing connection to banks will take a long time and lots of resources.

3.  About multiple wallet addresses. We use Coinbase to receive money and may add Gemini soon. They provide higher security and ease of management than we do ourselves. Coinbase use multiple wallet address per account. That is why people see money are distributed right after arrival. Please consult Coinbase for that matter for further questions.

4.  About Investment. Please invest responsibly and invest only the amount you can afford to lose. We have seen investor borrowed money to invest. That is not right. We are happy to refund any one who have doubt about our project, who regret and who have other difficulties. Fortunately so far we have only done 3 times.

I hope I have clarified major issues you concerned about. Even though we welcome every one to participate, I apologize that we cannot make every one happy due to our limited bandwidth and overwhelming demand. Have fun!

Kent J Yan
Founder and CEO

Update from Kent Yan, TraDove CEO:

"TraDove raised $4Mill investments from the investors listed and have been in business for 5 years. We have papers to show it. We did not go to VCs because we did not want them to take control."
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January 10, 2018, 10:31:59 PM
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Thanks Entertainment. This forum is certainly very entertaining. This is Kent Yan, Founder and CEO of the Company. I think you probably have misunderstandings of what we are doing or misread  lots of information out there.  First of all, I am not offended by what you said about us. In B2B that is called information asymmetry. We know and have more information about our company and services than you do because you can only collect information from limited sources. That is exactly the reason we start TraDove, making it more transparent.

I will be happy yo talk to you by call or skype to explain our company and project and clear your doubt. You are right, we are new to blockchain and I trust that you know much more about it than us. After learning about our project and if you like it, I would love to have you on our advisory team to help us develop blockchain on our platform.

Again, the point here is not to argue who is right or wrong. But combine all useful resources to make it happen.

Feel free to email bbcoin@tradovemail.com and we can talk.

Take care,

Kent Yan
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January 10, 2018, 10:39:08 PM
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What do you have to say about this video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhVGtP2DRdw
Think about it - there is no way Mike Honda and Richard Rosenberg would have put their names to a scam.

They got scammed as well. At least they earn some money to recording this.

Well there you have it folks - game, set and match - the worst FUD attempt I have ever seen has now reached new heights.

Richard Rosenberg and Mike Honda have apparently been scammed by TraDove!

How could Richard Rosenberg & Mike Honda have been so stupid?  Grin

Clearly I am being incredibly sarcastic, I am just trying to highlight the absolute ridiculousness of "Entertainment's" claims.


No offense. We actually "scammed" more than Dick Rosenberg and Mike Honda. Name it. Phil Duff  from Morgan Stanley, Gordon Kaufman from MIT Sloan School, Gerhardt Schumeyer from Siemens, Gary Cowger from General Motors, etc. If you learn more about our company, you will be amazed about the investor and advisory network we have built or "scammed" in US, Europe, Japan and China. That is what we need. Because we are a B2B company and we need those resources. Kent
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January 11, 2018, 02:56:56 AM
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Be aware. Do your own research, everything is a scam, false promises, false information.

A lot of people is being scammed right now.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2288789.new


They claim to be a really huge company/network B2B and they are not at all. It's in the best case scenario a very tiny company, that earn some money with email spamming.

Their linkedins are fake, they faked profiles in crunchbase, xing and other network to look trusthworthy.

https://www.linkedin.com/company/2061291/ has 98 employees in Linkedin, most of them are ico related or sockpuppets fakes accounts, a lot of "project managers".

The same for his other scam company called Braincess, is registered in whitepages with the same President, phone number, and address:

https://www.linkedin.com/company/braincess-inc-/


DON'T LOSE YOUR MONEY with this ERC20 scam token

Do you know why the funds have been moved to CoinBase? Because it is much more secure than storing the funds of an ICO in a single wallet. CoinBase spreads large amounts of funds into multiple wallets - however this is done in the backend of CoinBase - it is a blockchain security feature to spread risk, so if one wallet is compromised, the loss is minimal.

This is why you are seeing funds moved from the ICO wallets into CoinBase and then potentially into Binance wallets.

Jeez chill out and educate yourself on back-end blockchain security.
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January 11, 2018, 07:58:52 AM
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Hi everyone,

Just so everyone does not think this is a scam - here is my 4 ETH refunded back to me by TraDove.

https://imgur.com/a/IQUQu

I have reinvested this back into TraDove now as they have given me the confidence this is not a scam...

I came to this conclusion by thinking what are the green flags and what are the red flags?

The only red flag to most people is the fact that there was one 4chan member stating this was a scam due to the fact the ICO funds were immediately being moved to hundreds of different wallets.

The reason is fairly simple - the ICO funds (as confirmed when emailing Kent) have been moved onto CoinBase after they hit the TraDove accounts. Doing this is much more secure than storing the funds of an ICO in a single wallet. CoinBase spreads large amounts of funds into multiple wallets - however this is done in the backend of CoinBase - it is a blockchain security feature to spread risk, so if one wallet is compromised, the loss is minimal. Remember when Bittrex was hacked? This is because Bittrex did not do this - they had far too many funds stored in a single wallet point containing millions of dollars worth of Bitcoin. So, this is why you are seeing funds moved from the TraDove ICO wallets into CoinBase and then CoinBase moving them in the backend into Binance wallets.

The only other red flag I can see raised by people is the poor grammatical skills on parts of the ICO website - please remember that the CEO of TraDove is Chinese and sometimes there may be slight spelling errors due to English being a second language - hardly a red flag in my view but I can see how others may interpret that.

Now if anyone has any other issues they would like to bring up I am more than happy to try and get answers for you or even answer them myself.

Finally, I am not in any way affiliated with TraDove, but I went through the entire range of emotions by investing, asking for a refund when I panicked and now am 100% back on board.

Thanks everyone Smiley
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January 11, 2018, 09:43:50 AM
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I have invested in TraDove myself yesterday. I saw the ratings and the promotional video on ICObench and the team + advisors are all highly skilled and knowledgeable people.
I really don't like people people saying that TraDove (or any other ICO) is a scam without having any proof whatsoever. I believe that TraDove is great ICO and will do good for their investors.
This htread with this title should be removed because it has no factual basis to stand on, but the first thing people will find after searching "TraDove" is this forum thread with it's ridiculous title.
And in this way, this thread his hurting investors and TraDove FOR NO REASON at all. Please stop this rant and useless FUD!

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January 11, 2018, 01:06:54 PM
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Very boring those generic answers.

Nobody trust in your lies anymore. Go away from this forum.

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January 11, 2018, 01:36:27 PM
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Very boring those generic answers.

Nobody trust in your lies anymore. Go away from this forum.

Hardly generic when I have single handedly refuted every single one of your claims with evidence.
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January 11, 2018, 02:35:10 PM
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Very boring those generic answers.

Nobody trust in your lies anymore. Go away from this forum.

Get a life! Stop spamming crap on the internet!

It is hilarious that some people actually believe in what some random retard is typing on the internet, rather than doing their own due diligence!
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January 12, 2018, 05:31:20 AM
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why are you all new accounts lol,

even an ex employee, Brian Colwell said Tradove is not to be trusted, he left a few days ago..

https://twitter.com/BrianDColwell/status/951459454947549184

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January 12, 2018, 10:16:46 AM
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I have paid $240 through ETH on wednesday & upload the payment but still order shows pending. I have not received reply for my email regarding the situation. I hope it's not a scam but you are not efficient to interact with your shareholders. 
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January 12, 2018, 11:20:13 AM
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Hey Entertainer

I have signed up to ask you these questions:

What exactly is your problem? Does the company owe you any money? If not, then why would you want to create all this negative and destructive commotion? They are trying to address your complaints but you only seem interested in maintaining your tirade. So what exactly is your motive?

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January 12, 2018, 11:32:03 AM
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Not recommended
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January 12, 2018, 11:42:01 AM
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why are you all new accounts lol,

even an ex employee, Brian Colwell said Tradove is not to be trusted, he left a few days ago..

https://twitter.com/BrianDColwell/status/951459454947549184



To be honest I have created a new account only to reply to this retard and protect my investment..

I don't have anything to do with TraDove, but I'm not sure how I can prove this on here.. Check my IP-Address, I'm from Romania..

By the way, not even Brian said this is a scam, he stated clearly this is NOT a scam!

Anyway, do your own research!

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January 12, 2018, 11:46:06 AM
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On reflection, I have very serious doubts about this project
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January 12, 2018, 06:42:11 PM
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DON'T LISTEN TRADOVE MULTIACCOUNTS

TRADOVE IS A SCAM

YOU WILL LOST YOUR MONEY

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January 13, 2018, 12:34:16 PM
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Agree with Serty1990

This thread is very unfair and should be removed. The OP does not have any specific complaint. All his conjecture has been addressed. Otherwise, it is just too easy to sabotage any ICO.
_________________________

Please don’t.....I was in doubt and this just mane me realized one thing.....I’M IN!!
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January 13, 2018, 01:48:11 PM
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TraDove ico is currently open and so far they've collected over 6,000 ETH.

However, they're funnelling the funds via thousands of tiny wallets into Binance.



The ETH contribution address is:
0x90b12787fa2067ccb46f017f70c07529a562c6c9

If you do some digging through transactions you'll spot a pattern. Eth is being sent to staging wallets. Once a wallet reaches 100ETH, it is being split into 3 different wallets. Two of the three are large, about 98ETH total, and the third is the small remainder. In the new wallets for the two large amounts, the process repeats until it reaches 100 ETH, and again it splits.

What's interesting is where the small amounts are going. If you follow them, they bundle into wallets that reach about 4 ETH, then it goes to Binance.

Here's an example chain of transactions:
>From https://etherscan.io/address/0x90b12787fa2067ccb46f017f70c07529a562c6c9
>https://etherscan.io/tx/0x831ac669d2b567e0a31fb25f9e84ddecec01a302affb41959e9dd38abaa0cf42
>To https://etherscan.io/address/0xd27e3ee37894bbd9bee348a4c4839e5876a53b29
>https://etherscan.io/tx/0x8d5ed47414468e75039bc257c9256f4300e96377869b88cf6ee44211926b0daa
>To https://etherscan.io/address/0x79f7dbbfce4fd0749c7685a9f7808555828de127
>https://etherscan.io/tx/0xb012d82d68974c79153ea89d8386060dbf46324e5a0a8c09130bf6cb56c78c2d
>To https://etherscan.io/address/0xb7f274b8c1731187204e0b6d79fa5dbdb8ec44d0
>And then Finally to Binance:
https://etherscan.io/tx/0x22729aca88b59d2183426700524f5e0010ebda581f8468cf3d82a0e061982ade

SCAM

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January 14, 2018, 03:44:32 PM
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Hi Kent,

I need your help. I didn't get a reply to my e-mail till now, which is why I thought I'd ask for help here. I purchased 4000 BBcoins yesterday for a bonus of 800 coins. I purchased it with 0.034 BTC. However, today I got back an e-mail saying the purchase was unsuccessful.

I have already provided the transaction reference id and the transaction is confirmed.
Transaction id: 75bf00f9100b0aaea32ac6ef946d816b4840c06ae2ebbdbbb1e04af2104e0e71

Can anyone from your team please help me get my tokens or at least issue me a refund if that's not possible.



Update: I have received an e-mail confirming my purchase and my Order status now shows as Complete.
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