Bitcoin version 0.3.24 released

[pandemic]

So the answer is b). I'm an idiot.

Thanks, I see it now. I've no idea why the huge brain fart.

[error]

So the answer is b). I'm an idiot.

Thanks, I see it now. I've no idea why the huge brain fart.

Not enough BitBrew this morning?

[ThiagoCMC]

Guys,

 I have two Bitcoin clients running on two different computers:

 Computer A: Bitcoin 0.3.23
 Computer B: fresh installed Bitcoin 0.3.24

 But the new Bitcoin 0.3.24 does not behave the way it did before... I mean, I sent B$0.01 (two times, second time I've sent through MyBitcoin automatic forwarding) from Computer A (0.3.23) to Computer B (0.3.24) but, at the Bitcoin 0.3.24, NO NEW ADDRESS automatically appeared at "my receiving address" in the AddressBook (I can see the new address at the main interface screen, but no anywhere else)! But it happens in Bitcoin 0.3.23... Why this have changed?!

 Where can I manage my automatically generated new Bitcoin Addresses?

 Take a look:

Bitcoin 0.3.23:



 Bitcoin 0.3.24:

 NOTE: I open a post on tech support forum, "Bitcoin 0.3.24 different behavior in "address"":
 http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=28343.0

Thanks!
Thiago

[Exonumia]

Where can I manage my automatically generated new Bitcoin Addresses?

I believe this is intended behavior... I was reading a post about how the self-generated random addresses were confusing to new users so they eliminated them. Once I locate the post I'll put it here:

(gotta run, did some searches but never found it... I will check back later... I think it was in the Dev and Tech board)

[ThiagoCMC]

I appreciate it! Thank you BTW!

But the auto generation of new addresses is still running on background!

We need to have two kind of interfaces, "advanced" and "normal", showing and not showing the auto-generated address. If the address exists in background, I need to see it in somewhere at the software, so, where is it?!

At the "normal" user interface, instead of hiding the auto generated address, the Bitcoin should distinc between the "user created address" and the "auto generated address"... From the point of view of Bitcoin, it is just "address", I know, but, from the user perspective, will be some kind of distinction between them.

Sorry but, if I'm not able to manage my own addresses, automatic generated by the software or manually by me, this is a bad thing...  

I just want to see and manage all my address...   

This kind of change cannot happen without public consultancy... Where the development beta tests ocurr? I want to participate.

[the joint]

I don't care that there's a fee.  I have mine set to 0.01 for all transactions, anyway.  just STOP SAYING there is no minimum fee when clearly there is.  It's confusing.

Its also confusing when people say there is a minimum fee.  The satoshi client forces you to apply a fee on transactions only in very rare cases when your transaction looks like spam.

If very rare means 100% of all sending transactions I have ever done, then yes.  It is extremely rare.

[the joint]

Really?  I've been using 0.3.23 for a while and I've had to pay the transaction fee on every single transaction except for about 5/100.  For me, the *rare cases* are when it doesn't make me pay a fee.  Did something change in 0.3.24?

Care to share an example transaction so we can see why?

I can only guess you're making payments with outputs smaller than 0.01 BTC?

I made a ~6 BTC deposit and was prompted a 'minimum' fee of .03 ...

[Matt Corallo]

But the auto generation of new addresses is still running on background!

Sorry but, if I'm not able to manage my own addresses, automatic generated by the software or manually by me, this is a bad thing...  

This has never been a feature.  We've had the generation of a 100 key keypool for a long time (to prevent loss of coins due to coins being sent after latest backup), and the autogeneration of change keys since Bitcoin was released.  There is almost no additional value to being able to control the change keys aside from the "I want to mange all my keys to feel cool".
The specific problem you see here is probably a coding oversight and needs more investigation.

This kind of change cannot happen without public consultancy... Where the development beta tests ocurr? I want to participate.

#bitcoin-dev on freenode, the Bitcon-development mailing list, and the release candidates are posted on the forum before reaching stable.

[Matt Corallo]

I made a ~6 BTC deposit and was prompted a 'minimum' fee of .03 ...

Then your transaction clearly looked like spam to the client.  This most likely means your transaction's inputs were quite large in number, ie Bitcoin was pulling from a *ton* of very small inputs.  The fee stuff only ever shows up for people dealing with very small amounts, sending transactions very quickly after receiving the coins which will be used as txins, or sending large transactions, either many txins or many txouts.  You fall in the last case, that doesn't mean that transactions often see the minimum fee, in fact a minimum fee of 0.03 means your transaction was *massive*.

[ThiagoCMC]

Where can I manage my automatically generated new Bitcoin Addresses?

I believe this is intended behavior... I was reading a post about how the self-generated random addresses were confusing to new users so they eliminated them. Once I locate the post I'll put it here:

I know this behavior confuses at beginning, I got confused too but, my point is, new users should have the easiest interface and better user experience, no doubt, but, what about the others?

People who already are using the version 0.3.23 extensively and liked the software behavior... These peoples needs a option to access more advanced features of the software...

Or the Bitcoin auto-generated addresses that come and go are completely disposable? Not working after one transaction and it just disappear?

[jgarzik]

I made a ~6 BTC deposit and was prompted a 'minimum' fee of .03 ...

in fact a minimum fee of 0.03 means your transaction was *massive*.

It sounds like 'the joint' is not running 0.3.24 either, and so, is using an older fee schedule with much higher fees.

[Matt Corallo]

People who already are using the version 0.3.23 extensively and liked the software behavior... These peoples needs a option to access more advanced features of the software...

The specific problem you see here is probably a coding oversight and needs more investigation.

Or the Bitcoin auto-generated addresses that come and go are completely disposable? Not working after one transaction and it just disappear?

No, they continue to exist in the same way as in 0.3.23, it just looks like it was a bug in 0.3.24, this change was not on purpose.

[Exonumia]

I know this behavior confuses at beginning, I got confused too but, my point is, new users should have the easiest interface and better user experience, no doubt, but, what about the others?

I can't find the original post! I guess I could have dreamed it? or perhaps the other dev's didn't agree with the move by one dev and he has altered the original post? Or I am crazy?

Maybe all of the above?

[Matt Corallo]

I can't find the original post! I guess I could have dreamed it? or perhaps the other dev's didn't agree with the move by one dev and he has altered the original post? Or I am crazy?

Maybe all of the above?

It was never the intended behavior, it was an oversight during the very large code cleanup.  Will be fixed in 0.4 (already fixed on github)

[geek-trader]

I guess Mac users don't get the new shiny. 

[Matt Corallo]

I guess Mac users don't get the new shiny. 

No idea where Laszlo has been, haven't seen him...(he does the Mac builds).

[datguywhowanders]

Yea... I is wanting the Mac version as well.

Sad face

I'm pretty sure I'm constantly getting issues downloading the block chain. I don't start my client very often (pretty much only when I send out coins) and it always takes FOREVER to even start the download.

[jgarzik]

Maybe I should take up a collection for OSX server edition

(only half kidding)

[Matt Corallo]

Maybe I should take up a collection for OSX server edition

Still not legal to VM it on non-apple hardware, meaning you still have to do all the standard OSx86 hacks.

I'm pretty sure I'm constantly getting issues downloading the block chain. I don't start my client very often (pretty much only when I send out coins) and it always takes FOREVER to even start the download.

This is a result of not enough people on the network in general upgrading, not you not upgrading.  This is why people are pushing so hard to get people to upgrade to .24, it helps the network considerably and people no longer get problems downloading the chain. 
We really need a Mac build...

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Mac build notion seconded!