KryptMiner - 20th/s @ 800w (a new magical miner / scam?)

[wavelengthsf]

Seems like there is a new magical miner:

https://intellogence.com/powermonitor

The KryptMiner PowerProcessor Card is at the heart of every KryptMiner system and features its own super-efficient switch-mode power supply and utilizes a proprietary TSMC 16nm FinFET ASIC (Application Specific Integrated Circuit) low-power number-crunching core technology. Each PowerProcessor card has 200 such ASICs sharing the work load and crunching our proprietary algorithm for optimal performance.

The process is overseen by our patent-pending PowerFace front-end management system that connects directly to a Gigabit Ethernet for instant delivery and features a Field Programmable Gate Array (FPGA) reprogrammable management processor to ensure KryptMiner never becomes obsolete as mining evolves and allowing you to stay ahead of the game today and long into the future.

Specs from site:
https://i.imgur.com/dkNMjYl.png




Of course, it is likely a scam, as their address is a Regus business center. Pricing says its $2k per 20th unit.

Also, based on what page you look at, the power draws between 600, 800, and 1kw.

[The Demon Slick]

I'll let you know, I ordered one. Supposed to arrive early February. I never heard of these things before, and I've been shopping ASICs hard. Suprisingly, they had a website, there were units available, they allowed me to order just one unit, and they let me use my amex, with all of the awesome buyer protections that entails. They can't really rip me off. Not like those BTC only sites where your BTC is gone forever once you hit send. The site description said 20T, and so did the "profitability calculation" page, but the specs said 15T. Cost me 5k USD including overnight shipping. They expect it to arrive first week of January and ship it right out to me. Built in 110/220 power supply. It even comes with a cord.
*****I do not vouch for or endorse this product, and I'm not even saying it exists. If I get my hands on one, I'll post a thread unbox/setup/demo thing, unless somebody else beats me to it.

[HagssFIN]

SCAM ALERT.

It's a fake miner, the picture I saw about it was a early version black color steel tube Avalon6 miner.

[Flying Hellfish]

I'll let you know, I ordered one. Supposed to arrive early February. I never heard of these things before, and I've been shopping ASICs hard. Suprisingly, they had a website, there were units available, they allowed me to order just one unit, and they let me use my amex, with all of the awesome buyer protections that entails. They can't really rip me off. Not like those BTC only sites where your BTC is gone forever once you hit send. The site description said 20T, and so did the "profitability calculation" page, but the specs said 15T. Cost me 5k USD including overnight shipping. They expect it to arrive first week of January and ship it right out to me. Built in 110/220 power supply. It even comes with a cord.
*****I do not vouch for or endorse this product, and I'm not even saying it exists. If I get my hands on one, I'll post a thread unbox/setup/demo thing, unless somebody else beats me to it.

LOL Lets ask ourselves one question.  If the product is not real (and its 100% not real) why would they allow CC payment???  You should cancel that CC fast, and let AMEX know their may be a fraudulent company accepting their CC's.  You should also watch you CC statements as you just gave your vitals to a scammer!

[The Demon Slick]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.upwork.com/mobile/amp/jobs/~014432f30dba6dca3b

You, you're hired, start coding we ship in 3 weeks!
Watching the cc like a hawk. Not even a. 01 confirmation charge out of place. They took the 5k USD and that was it so far. The charge occurred within the US. California. So far everything looks like it should. Adress in a tech area San Francisco. I'm going to let it ride.

Edit- anybody uber smart have a look at the control board at their site?

[The Demon Slick]

So the place is in Newport beach, not SF, that was the credit card processing company Square (Uber also has it's HQ in that building). In Newport Beach, 500 Birch st, West Tower, suite 3000. It's an office building owned by Regus. It's full of the usual dentists lawyers and health equipment shippers, along with a bunch of internet start ups. I'm fascinated by the buildings surrounding it. Monex. COMAC. Jazz semiconductor. Pence wealth management. Bitcentral. And hey, there's the chamber of commerce right across from the Der Weinerschnitzel. Man that place has some good onion rings. So yeah, they rent temp office space there, Regus does, fully furnished, but it aint cheap. And, tbh, there's no way that all of the people listed in suite 3000 could actually be in suite 3000, unless it's an extremely large suite. Not trying to convince anybody. Well... maybe myself a little, but I'm already committed. There's going to be a lot of Chinese workers from COMAC, and lots of US based techs in that little area, maybe somebody got together. Or maybe it's made up vaporware and everything disappears. I'm still hoping one of you ckt board guys will take a look at the control board picture they posted on the kryptminer website. I looked at other boards and I didn't see that it's an exact duplicate of anything I could find, but I'm not pro at that.
Check back in a month I guess. I promise to admit I got scammed, even if it's embarrassing after everybody said don't do it.
Cheers!

[krisgt30]

Just get a replacement credit card as a safety precaution and cancel this one. Then you don’t have to worry about any future unauthorized purchases. I would definitely be interested in hearing what happens on this as they are offering more secure purchases than other fly by night companies.

[wavelengthsf]

I emailed them asking for more info and pictures or video to prove it is real.

They sent me an email saying that they have no pictures of any of their units yet, and that their lab was busy working on it. When I asked how they got the specs, they said that's their targets.

The contact ("Zy") said that their first chips and PCBs come in the first week of feb. However, they would send me images. I told them that sending a review unit to trusted people here would be the best thing to do.

Haven't heard back yet, except for putting pressure saying the price will be going up soon.

[Flying Hellfish]

I emailed them asking for more info and pictures or video to prove it is real.

They sent me an email saying that they have no pictures of any of their units yet, and that their lab was busy working on it. When I asked how they got the specs, they said that's their targets.

The contact ("Zy") said that their first chips and PCBs come in the first week of feb. However, they would send me images. I told them that sending a review unit to trusted people here would be the best thing to do.

Haven't heard back yet, except for putting pressure saying the price will be going up soon.

Its not fucking real, seriously anyone questioning the validity of this vaporware neads their head examined...

As was already pointed out the picture of their miner is actually an Avalon A6.

low-power number-crunching core technology.

WTF is that horse shit, seriously can you say buzz words that mean nothing at all?

patent-pending PowerFace front-end management system that connects directly to a Gigabit Ethernet for instant delivery

Seriously more buzz words with no relevance or meaning in the mining world...

and features a Field Programmable Gate Array (FPGA) reprogrammable management processor to ensure KryptMiner never becomes obsolete as mining evolves and allowing you to stay ahead of the game today and long into the future.

Well good thing they have an FPGA controller so this thing can mine forever...  How can anyone believe this nonsense??

I can't believe anyone thinks for 1 second there is even a .001% this is real, I mean holy shit its a bad scam.

[wavelengthsf]

Agreed, there's no way this is real. Was just posting more information pointing to that.

[The Demon Slick]

I emailed them asking for more info and pictures or video to prove it is real.

They sent me an email saying that they have no pictures of any of their units yet, and that their lab was busy working on it. When I asked how they got the specs, they said that's their targets.

The contact ("Zy") said that their first chips and PCBs come in the first week of feb. However, they would send me images. I told them that sending a review unit to trusted people here would be the best thing to do.

Haven't heard back yet, except for putting pressure saying the price will be going up soon.

I did too, here is their reply:

Hi Rick,

 

Thanks for your interest in our products, for being a pioneer and for placing an order with us.

 

We got involved in this market very late. Infact, it was the exodus of the Chinese mining companies that led us to develop our current technology. Late last year we were approached by a large Chinese mining operation to find a location for them to setup a mining facility here in the US, a location capable of operating 100,000 rigs. At the time, the focus was all about being energy efficient. It was then that we realized that there was a better way of doing things and began working with our current chip supplier to develop something we consider to be a gamechanger.

 

We developed a design based on an FPGA platform that operates at sub 1V at 16nm. An architecture which provides for a very fast and power-efficient core, allowing us to make the bold claims you see. And since we are fully FPGA, our product can be reprogrammed to crunch literally any algorithm (work in progress). So the theory is that as market demand dictates, you can switch from one algorithm to another, so that you are not left holding onto a very large and expensive boat anchor. And then it was simply a packaging exercise, so we packed 128 cards into a modified rack system and called it our PowerServer. Our core business is to produce systems for the bigger mining operations, and it was only a few weeks ago that we decided to take on the Bitmain market with our PowerDrive product.

 

We sub-contract our manufacture to a partner here in the US and expect our first units to arrive sometime in February. I'm pretty certain you will be very pleased with the unit we created and will be very interested to get your feedback after you try it and if you're not entirely happy then simply return it to us for a full refund.

 

And please remember, if at any time you feel uncomfortable, simply reach out to me at and we will cancel your order and issue you a full refund, no questions asked.

 

Once again, thank you for your support.

 

Regards,

 

Glenn

 

KryptMiner Logo 2

[The Demon Slick]

No cc charges out of place. Noob is gonna let it ride. (edit - I set up an alert to my phone of any charges are made to that card)

If Chinese mining conglomerates are buying powerservers bitmain is screwed, and maybe us too. Like server blades instead of asic units. If that's real, it's like Baiukal Giants for btc.

[dlezama]

Using FPGAs! 

[Flying Hellfish]

No cc charges out of place. Noob is gonna let it ride. (edit - I set up an alert to my phone of any charges are made to that card)

If Chinese mining conglomerates are buying powerservers bitmain is screwed, and maybe us too. Like server blades instead of asic units. If that's real, it's like Baiukal Giants for btc.

Just wait till credit card bills start to show up at you place for CC you don't have.  They have your address, name and a valid CC #, do you have any idea how much they can do with just those limited pieces of information?

Dude FPGA K, nuff said yet?

LOL OMG Bitmain killer these fucking things DO NOT EXIST so ya LOLOLOLOLOLOL.

Clearly no amount of logic will get you to see straight at this point, your desperation and FOMO have gotten the better of your logical reasoning because holy fucking shit man what they are saying is literally impossible...

Anyone else reading this don't fall for this really really bad scam, You've been warned!

Where's NotWarmFuzzy with his SEO banner when you need him! 

[leowonderful]

The fact that these people are actually trying to make it look legit is sad. A 16nm FPGA outperforming 16nm ASICs? What a world we live in...

From what I've been able to gather through a WHOIS search, seems like the domain was registered around July 2017. Definitely not legit but I like to look into things like this.

[The Demon Slick]

Look I'm not desperate or whatever, I have s9s coming, I'm not depending on this. I'm fully aware of the risks. And I'm taking them. You guys don't have to do a thing, just sit back and watch. Sure, you're prolly right, there's no such thing. There's never such a thing, until one day there is. I've minimized the risks as much as possible, and I'm rolling the dice. I have credit monitoring so if anything bad happens I'll know about it fairly quickly.  Somebody bought the first antminer. And the first Avalon. It was probably a big risk for them, buying a machine nobody had seen before. And sure, lots of people paid for vaporware. It could go that way too. I'm prepared to be disappointed. I'm going to wait and see what happens. I'll be sure to keep you posted.
In the meantime if anyone who knows control boards would be willing to take a look at the one they have pictured at thier website I'd really love to know what you think of it. I haven't gotten any feedback on that yet. Like I said before, all I know to do is compare it to pictures of existing machines boards, and see if it's a duplicate. I don't see that it is, but I'd love to hear what you think of it.

[Druiz287]

I googled.  Would they risk it with PAYPAL?  The seller is obviously new, as is the product.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/KryptMiner-Cryptocurrency-Mining-Rig-20THash-FASTEST-MINER-ON-THE-MARKET-/122908289166

Edit: they may be in very early stages of development.  I'd suspect selling optimism rather than outright scamming:

https://www.upwork.com/job/KryptMiner_~018755c82728dd1e42/

[Flying Hellfish]

I googled.  Would they risk it with PAYPAL?  The seller is obviously new, as is the product.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/KryptMiner-Cryptocurrency-Mining-Rig-20THash-FASTEST-MINER-ON-THE-MARKET-/122908289166

Edit: they may be in very early stages of development.  I'd suspect selling optimism rather than outright scamming:

https://www.upwork.com/job/KryptMiner_~018755c82728dd1e42/

If someone told you that they had a pedal bicycle that could go faster than the fastest motor cycle on the planet would you call that selling optimism or a scam?

[thecoder2012]

I googled.  Would they risk it with PAYPAL?  The seller is obviously new, as is the product.

Very new but paypal and short delivery date are really nice but I think it's not real in the next time. And $5k is high for nothing. 

[The Demon Slick]

I googled.  Would they risk it with PAYPAL?  The seller is obviously new, as is the product.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/KryptMiner-Cryptocurrency-Mining-Rig-20THash-FASTEST-MINER-ON-THE-MARKET-/122908289166

Edit: they may be in very early stages of development.  I'd suspect selling optimism rather than outright scamming:

https://www.upwork.com/job/KryptMiner_~018755c82728dd1e42/

If someone told you that they had a pedal bicycle that could go faster than the fastest motor cycle on the planet would you call that selling optimism or a scam?

Before the first ASICs, FPGAs were the way to go for btc mining. Since that time, ASICs have gotten much faster, much better, much more powerful. FPGAs were left behind by the btc community. But not by everybody. They continued to evolve, just as ASICs did. They also became better, stronger, faster, more powerful. Maybe it's time someone revisited them. I'm not willing to dismiss them out of hand.

[VRobb]

<snip>
Before the first ASICs, FPGAs were the way to go for btc mining. Since that time, ASICs have gotten much faster, much better, much more powerful. FPGAs were left behind by the btc community. But not by everybody. They continued to evolve, just as ASICs did. They also became better, stronger, faster, more powerful. Maybe it's time someone revisited them. I'm not willing to dismiss them out of hand.

Nope.
FPGA=tricycle
ASIC=motorcycle
I'll race your trike against my Harley any day...  

[The Demon Slick]

FPGAs are embedded now, even a small 5K LUTs can have 1000 inputs and 1000 outputs with data rates of >500MHz in 28nm or more in 16/14nm. That wipes out the old PCIe bus limitations buy using the silicon instead of the board connection. This is not the same as the traditional FPGAs like Xilnix.  FPGAs can be integrated into a multi chip package. They don't have to be all FPGA chips or all processors. They're seeing great advancements in the field of machine learning, and it's driving the tech. Harvard is using embedded FPGAs into thier new machine learning project 16nm chips. Microsoft’s Project Catapult, Microsoft’s Azure SmartNIC and Amazon EC2 F1 are all using the newer tech embedded FPGAs in thier data center projects. Baysands "mcFPGA" chip is converting from traditional FPGAs to embedded. I think the technology is feasable, at least theoretically. It's in use already, just not for this. The feasability of the technology is an interesting debate. I plan to read more about it. They had a symposium in October, lots of papers came out of it, but it's dry tech reading, hard to get through.

[alh]

Before the first ASICs, FPGAs were the way to go for btc mining. Since that time, ASICs have gotten much faster, much better, much more powerful. FPGAs were left behind by the btc community. But not by everybody. They continued to evolve, just as ASICs did. They also became better, stronger, faster, more powerful. Maybe it's time someone revisited them. I'm not willing to dismiss them out of hand.

Could you describe in what way this relates to the topic at hand (i.e. the KryptMiner)?

Yes, FPGA's are wonderful for what they do (i.e. allow rapid changing and prototyping). For something that is well understood (i.e.the SHA-256 algorithm), they have no compelling reason to be used in Bitcoin mining. They lose on speed, and efficiency. To suggest otherwise makes you look foolish (IMHO).

If on the other hand you want to a "generic miner" that can be programmed to do SHA-256 for the morning and re-programmed to do X11 in the afternoon, then that's a different story. There just isn't much of a market for such a device.

[The Demon Slick]

He's leasing miner centers by appointment now. Seems like a pretty elaborate scam for just cc #s, you can just buy those things by the ton. You're all probably right,  but I'm still going to let it ride.

[VRobb]

No, we're all actually right, and per your sig you get the prize: /ignore

[The Demon Slick]

So I think I located the board, I believe it's this opal Kelly xem7310-200. I'd be interested in feedback on the board itself. It's incorporating an xilnis artix-7 fpga.

https://www.opalkelly.com/products/xem7310/

[dlezama]

Artix? That is their "faster than ASIC board"?   Head to the Xilinx site... Also, a board with a single FPGA? What is that? The controller? Anyway...

[The Demon Slick]

Artix? That is their "faster than ASIC board"?   Head to the Xilinx site... Also, a board with a single FPGA? What is that? The controller? Anyway...

I don't think it's possible with that board. However, it might be with the achronix speedcore. I'm still reading.

[The Demon Slick]

I have not had any contact with kryptmine since the email reply I received and posted earlier in this thread. Today I received the following email:

Hi Rick,


We've gone ahead and issued a full refund back to you because we don't want to hold your money. Once your order is ready to ship I'll get back in contact with you to make payment then. Sorry for inconvenience.

Regards,

Glenn


Now a couple of things struck me about this, the English is not as perfect as the previous email ("make payment then", "Sorry for inconvenience") The syntax indicates probably Chinese, but not 100%. Also, I never asked for a refund. Odd, that. Now the refund address for kryptminer llc was NOT in Long Beach, across the street from Towerjazz semiconductor, one of the few foundrys in the US, instead it was 3195 spectrum st, in Irvine, Ca. Looks like a townhouse or condo. I checked the kryptminer website again, it's still taking orders, and still says shipping in early February.

I replied:

"Glenn, I don't understand, I didn't ask for a refund, I wanted the machine. Early February is next week. Has there been some kind of delay?"

I don't expect to hear back, but you never know. I conclude vaporware. However, I still think it's theoretically possible to use an achronix speedcore eFPGA as a hardware accelerator in a combined chipset ASIC. People are doing it in machine learning projects, just not for btc miners. That debate will apparently remain theoretical for now. On the plus side, I'm relieved that Chinese mining conglomerates are not in fact buying kryptminer powerservers capable of 2,560 T/hs when fully stacked.

My card has already been refunded, meaning he did it at least 24 hours before sending the email. I have never known a refund to that card occurring sooner than 24 hours, it's generally 48-72 hours.

And that's all I got. No penguins or tarantulas were harmed during the making of this thread.

[dlezama]

Thanks for point out the absolutely obvious fact that this is a scam. Next time just open a thread in scam accusations

[The Demon Slick]

It's funny because I've seen more senior members take a flyer on new miners that might not exist, and people said how awesome it was they were checking it out for everybody.

[krisgt30]

It's funny because I've seen more senior members take a flyer on new miners that might not exist, and people said how awesome it was they were checking it out for everybody.

Like the other obvious scam in this subtopic that is only still ticking because some legendaries got duped into believing they are real or are shilling for the product themselves?

[The Demon Slick]

It's funny because I've seen more senior members take a flyer on new miners that might not exist, and people said how awesome it was they were checking it out for everybody.

Like the other obvious scam in this subtopic that is only still ticking because some legendaries got duped into believing they are real or are shilling for the product themselves?

I just don't get all the hostility. I get you don't want people getting scammed, you want to warn them,and people did, that's awesome. And I get you don't want anyone shilling for a fraudster, that's cool. But I haven't done that, and I totally acknowledged that it was prolly a scam. I'm not selling anything. I don't even have a big stupid campaign sig.
To be honest I'm still not sure what their game is. Now they've changed payment processing from square to PayPal. It says that the payment goes to oussha@aol.com. That's a name, Oussha Shlaimane, she's a hot milf with a book out on living a healthy lifestyle. Weirder and weirder. They don't even take btc.

Edit - found this from 2014 - http://shockermichaelmooreflsfordivorce.blogspot.com/2014/04/white-collared-mining-technologies-vs.html?m=1

[The Demon Slick]

Oddest scam ever. A 51 year old smoke show female bodybuilder selling fake miners.

http://contests.npcnewsonline.com/contests/2017/npc_fit_world_pro/oussha_shlaimoun/

[The Demon Slick]

She answered:

Your order hasn’t been cancelled and as soon as we have a unit ready to ship, I will get back in contact with you to collect money 😊. Till then I'd rather the money stays in your wallet.


Whatever. They can't charge that card again. I wonder if they're going to hit me up later for a "urgent" btc only payment or something. If that happens I'll let you know. Other than that I'm done with it.

[Par Avion]

Funk the haters, I appreciate you trying. Big ups for the home miners.

[danielyap]

Good try bro...seriously fuck all the weird haters in this thread...You clearly mentioned you're gonna go ahead and try this out, not promoting it. As far as I'm concerned you did us all a favour by going in head on. We have an outcome which really saved all of us the hassle. You did well, cheers!

[Druiz287]

Thanks for making the attempt.  We need more people willing to take the risk so that others may not have to.  Solid move and you have my respect for trying it out!!

[HagssFIN]

We need more people willing to take the risk so that others may not have to.  

I disagree.

We need more proof and transparency when a new manufacturer enters the market, so it will be less risky from the very beginning.

Even though Bitmain is not the most likable manufacturer at the moment,  they are still a good example entering the market as a new manufacturer  with a solid discussion thread here at the forum with the Antminer S1 back in the 2013  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=330665.0

[jeecom]

I went to their checkout page today.  They are currently processing credit cards through GoDaddy (mysimplestore.com).  It is highly suspect that they are changing credit card merchants so quickly.

At this point, my vote is this is a scam.

[yianni]

Their Powerserver claims to draw 80KW power at 110-240V. Personally I've never heard of a single phase cable being able to take that kind of load. 3 phase yes, but if that was the case they would have said 220-415V. If we use european voltage which is 230V that would mean around 350A on a single cable !!! You might want to call the fire department before you connect this thing.
It's obvious that something smells fishy here.

[The Demon Slick]

Their Powerserver claims to draw 80KW power at 110-240V. Personally I've never heard of a single phase cable being able to take that kind of load. 3 phase yes, but if that was the case they would have said 220-415V. If we use european voltage which is 230V that would mean around 350A on a single cable !!! You might want to call the fire department before you connect this thing.
It's obvious that something smells fishy here.

I think they're trying to imply they have something like the GMO cards that are still as of yet unseen in the real world. Obviously, they don't.

[litmus]

Seems like there is a new magical miner:

https://intellogence.com/powermonitor

...

Sir, could you please tell us where you happened to come across the https://intellogence.com/ link? Was it in a group or site specifically for advertising in the "community"? Thanks if you have any info. Very curious.


Moderator's note: This post was edited by frodocooper to trim the quote from wavelengthsf.

[wavelengthsf]

Sir, could you please tell us where you happened to come across the https://intellogence.com/ link? Was it in a group or site specifically for advertising in the "community"? Thanks if you have any info. Very curious.

I saw it from a link on Reddit's r/bitcoin

[The Demon Slick]

Sir, could you please tell us where you happened to come across the https://intellogence.com/ link? Was it in a group or site specifically for advertising in the "community"? Thanks if you have any info. Very curious.

I saw it from a link on Reddit's r/bitcoin

Intellogence was one of their websites. If you look at the card displayed at the kryptminer website, it's an Opal Kelley card and it has intellogence stenciled on one side of it.

[yianni]

It's really a scam!!!

It probably is but you do realize that statements like yours are as credible as the statement that kryptminer is legit.
Do you know someone who ordered and got scammed, did you, did you find any evidence online, do you see something on their website that points towards that, God told you?
You have to say something more than "they are a scam" otherwise your comment bears no real value.

[The Demon Slick]

It's really a scam!!!

It probably is but you do realize that statements like yours are as credible as the statement that kryptminer is legit.
Do you know someone who ordered and got scammed, did you, did you find any evidence online, do you see something on their website that points towards that, God told you?
You have to say something more than "they are a scam" otherwise your comment bears no real value.

I don't know if you read the entire thread, but I did order from them, and was refunded without requesting a refund. In addition they have changed payment processors at least three times that we know of, and the woman behind the ebay account is a bodybuilder and fitness book author with no technical or computer background. The opal kelly board displayed uses an xilnix fpga which is not technically capable of operating in the manner described. I leave it to others to draw thier own conclusions from these facts, but I personally believe it is a scam.

[yianni]

It's really a scam!!!

It probably is but you do realize that statements like yours are as credible as the statement that kryptminer is legit.
Do you know someone who ordered and got scammed, did you, did you find any evidence online, do you see something on their website that points towards that, God told you?
You have to say something more than "they are a scam" otherwise your comment bears no real value.

I don't know if you read the entire thread, but I did order from them, and was refunded without requesting a refund. In addition they have changed payment processors at least three times that we know of, and the woman behind the ebay account is a bodybuilder and fitness book author with no technical or computer background. The opal kelly board displayed uses an xilnix fpga which is not technically capable of operating in the manner described. I leave it to others to draw thier own conclusions from these facts, but I personally believe it is a scam.

I did read your posts and the entire thread. My reply was to simple statements of the sort "it's a scam" and nothing else. That's why I quoted it.
As I said it is most probably a scam. Based on what you posted, based on my earlier reply that single phase cables cannot handle that kind of load, then it looks like a scam.
I'm just tired of reading statements on this forum of the sort, it's a scam, buy this coin, sell this ... because I said so? No, give me something, explain why it is a scam, tell me why you claim that I should buy or sell this coin, tell me why I need to get into this ICO etc etc.
Anyway I honestly do hope that eventually someone will be able to build what this kryptminer people claim.  I'm getting tired of bitmain and them manipulating the market as it suits them. See Sia coin, see bitcoin cash, see dash and so on.

[Par Avion]

Technically they refunded you, therefore NOT a scam.

Whether its real? Well, thats a different question, but a scam it is not.

[onegiantcock]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/122916273099

They lowered the hashrate! LOL.

[HagssFIN]

And they are still using a picture of the early version AvalonMiner 6 as the picture of "their miner".  

Lol.

This is a pure scam.

[RfBTC]

Someone has pre-order this "Scam" miner ?,  i am talking with   Joseph Shamoon  (  https://www.linkedin.com/in/josephshamoon/  ) his uncle seem to be the  owner of this brand  ,   http://www.intellogence.com/

He said will sent a Live-video  with this Miner working...
 

[yianni]

Someone has pre-order this "Scam" miner ?,  i am talking with   Joseph Shamoon  (  https://www.linkedin.com/in/josephshamoon/  ) his uncle seem to be the  owner of this brand  ,   http://www.intellogence.com/

He said will sent a Live-video  with this Miner working...
 

That I would like to see !!! They already downgraded their claim from 20TH to 15TH.
But I seriously doubt any FPGA chip can outperform an ASIC.

[The Demon Slick]

Someone has pre-order this "Scam" miner ?,  i am talking with   Joseph Shamoon  (  https://www.linkedin.com/in/josephshamoon/  ) his uncle seem to be the  owner of this brand  ,   http://www.intellogence.com/

He said will sent a Live-video  with this Miner working...
 

That I would like to see !!! They already downgraded their claim from 20TH to 15TH.
But I seriously doubt any FPGA chip can outperform an ASIC.

Shamoon sounds a lot like Shlaimoun, the disgraced husband of Oussha, and known huckster, whose name was on one of the many credit card processors they have used so far. see here:

http://shockermichaelmooreflsfordivorce.blogspot.com/2014/04/white-collared-mining-technologies-vs.html?m=1

[The Demon Slick]

I really hate to bump this thread, but in the interest of full disclosure, I have recieved two emails from them regarding my previous cancelled order. The first:

Hi Rick,

Hope you are well. I promised to get back to you just as soon as I had delivery confirmation.

We just received word today that the first batch of PowerDrives is being delivered to us this coming week, so if you still want one please go ahead and pay the invoice being sent to you direct from our payment processor.

Best Regards,

Glenn

And the second, from intellogence, who somebody asked about earlier I believe:

Hello Rick XXXXX,
You have a new invoice from INTELLOGENCE INC for 5045.00 USD, due on 2018-03-02.
Thank you for your business!
VIEW AND PAY INVOICE
(link removed)
INTELLOGENCE INC
5000 Birch Street, West Tower 3000
Newport Beach CA, 92660
949 394 8591

I have no intention of sending them any money, but as it is part of the story, it seems right to include it. The link goes to invoice.authorize.net/invoicing/ui/#/(an adress) which appears to be a server using microsoft rather than any payment processor I'm aware of. To get further requires entering your cc info, and I'm not going there again. I'm almost 100% sure this is a scam.


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