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August 26, 2013, 03:10:34 AM
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price cut and basic black also works for me ,but I not sure that the price cut works for am and its stock price. 

lets say 1000 sticks are sold today by canary at .33 btc each that is 330btc gross sales. canary used our labels. so the 330btc needs to stay the same.  so lets take some money off for china to chicago shipping  3btc so you are at 327btc. take some money off for canary's workers 2 btc per 1000 sticks so you are at 325btc. am had to build the sticks say 50btc so profit drops to 275btc.

   my guess is not accurate just a guess but how much can you cut?    I would rather they make a faster stick lets say .672gh not.336 like now. make the stick taller since most of us would not mind a 25% height increase if hash doubles. then keep price at the .3-.4 range with 2x hash it is like this one dropped to .165 a stick.

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August 26, 2013, 03:32:53 AM
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price cut and basic black also works for me ,but I not sure that the price cut works for am and its stock price. 

lets say 1000 sticks are sold today by canary at .33 btc each that is 330btc gross sales. canary used our labels. so the 330btc needs to stay the same.  so lets take some money off for china to chicago shipping  3btc so you are at 327btc. take some money off for canary's workers 2 btc per 1000 sticks so you are at 325btc. am had to build the sticks say 50btc so profit drops to 275btc.

   my guess is not accurate just a guess but how much can you cut?    I would rather they make a faster stick lets say .672gh not.336 like now. make the stick taller since most of us would not mind a 25% height increase if hash doubles. then keep price at the .3-.4 range with 2x hash it is like this one dropped to .165 a stick.
If they added another chip it could not be powered directly by usb 2.0 which has current rating of 500mA. The emerald ones draw 510. Sapphires draw ~500. So they are already at their limits.

They would have to migrate to usb 3.0 which has a current rating of 900mA?

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August 26, 2013, 06:03:05 AM
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price cut and basic black also works for me ,but I not sure that the price cut works for am and its stock price. 

lets say 1000 sticks are sold today by canary at .33 btc each that is 330btc gross sales. canary used our labels. so the 330btc needs to stay the same.  so lets take some money off for china to chicago shipping  3btc so you are at 327btc. take some money off for canary's workers 2 btc per 1000 sticks so you are at 325btc. am had to build the sticks say 50btc so profit drops to 275btc.

   my guess is not accurate just a guess but how much can you cut?    I would rather they make a faster stick lets say .672gh not.336 like now. make the stick taller since most of us would not mind a 25% height increase if hash doubles. then keep price at the .3-.4 range with 2x hash it is like this one dropped to .165 a stick.
If they added another chip it could not be powered directly by usb 2.0 which has current rating of 500mA. The emerald ones draw 510. Sapphires draw ~500. So they are already at their limits.

They would have to migrate to usb 3.0 which has a current rating of 900mA?

Aren't most people using usb 3.0 hubs anyways? It's time for these erupters to erupt to double their hash rate and about .30 BTC price for each.

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August 26, 2013, 06:06:12 AM
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If you're running off a Raspberry Pi, then you're restricted to USB 2.0 hubs.  Just to keep my life simple, I've standardized on a single USB 2.0 hub (D-Link DUB-H7) and I'm using multiples of it for both my PC and my RPi.

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August 26, 2013, 06:58:17 AM
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price cut and basic black also works for me ,but I not sure that the price cut works for am and its stock price. 

lets say 1000 sticks are sold today by canary at .33 btc each that is 330btc gross sales. canary used our labels. so the 330btc needs to stay the same.  so lets take some money off for china to chicago shipping  3btc so you are at 327btc. take some money off for canary's workers 2 btc per 1000 sticks so you are at 325btc. am had to build the sticks say 50btc so profit drops to 275btc.

   my guess is not accurate just a guess but how much can you cut?    I would rather they make a faster stick lets say .672gh not.336 like now. make the stick taller since most of us would not mind a 25% height increase if hash doubles. then keep price at the .3-.4 range with 2x hash it is like this one dropped to .165 a stick.
If they added another chip it could not be powered directly by usb 2.0 which has current rating of 500mA. The emerald ones draw 510. Sapphires draw ~500. So they are already at their limits.

They would have to migrate to usb 3.0 which has a current rating of 900mA?

Aren't most people using usb 3.0 hubs anyways? It's time for these erupters to erupt to double their hash rate and about .30 BTC price for each.
USB 3.0 ports have large variances in supplied power...
So the result of a USB 3.0 miner stick would be too many headaches for the user..

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August 26, 2013, 11:14:18 AM
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Also even if the usb 3.0 does allow for more power, you are still limited by the hubs power limits. So a higher hashing, more power hungry usb stick would only mean less sticks per hub making the usb sticks even less usefull since extra hardware costs basically just doubled. And what about heat? Tese things get pretty hot as it is. Adding another chip would take it closer to requiring active cooling per stick.

What about the smaller nm asic chips though. Dont they use less power? I doubt it would be enough for usb powered status but maybe

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August 26, 2013, 11:33:22 AM
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Canary, I ordered from your bitcanary.com store and during the checkout, it did not give me an address to send payment.  It did ask for MY address though for refunds and changes.  An I missing something?

I haven't been charged yet and the order is sitting at "pending".

Order # is 345.

Thanks!

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August 26, 2013, 11:45:47 AM
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Also even if the usb 3.0 does allow for more power, you are still limited by the hubs power limits. So a higher hashing, more power hungry usb stick would only mean less sticks per hub making the usb sticks even less usefull since extra hardware costs basically just doubled. And what about heat? Tese things get pretty hot as it is. Adding another chip would take it closer to requiring active cooling per stick.

What about the smaller nm asic chips though. Dont they use less power? I doubt it would be enough for usb powered status but maybe


 or lower the volts/tuning and do the 2 chips to hash at 500mhs .

I used to do it with my 22 gpus.  my hd7970's would hash at 500mhs .9 volts  rather then  625-660 mhs 1.1 volts.

 a 1 gpu pc could hash at 500mhs with a 155 watt pull.  crank it to  250 watts it would hash  at 630 mhs.  if you did 2 chips and altered each chips power draw it could work. I would far prefer a setup where a stick hashed at 500 mhs then 336 mhs

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August 26, 2013, 12:59:07 PM
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Also even if the usb 3.0 does allow for more power, you are still limited by the hubs power limits. So a higher hashing, more power hungry usb stick would only mean less sticks per hub making the usb sticks even less usefull since extra hardware costs basically just doubled. And what about heat? Tese things get pretty hot as it is. Adding another chip would take it closer to requiring active cooling per stick.

What about the smaller nm asic chips though. Dont they use less power? I doubt it would be enough for usb powered status but maybe


 or lower the volts/tuning and do the 2 chips to hash at 500mhs .

I used to do it with my 22 gpus.  my hd7970's would hash at 500mhs .9 volts  rather then  625-660 mhs 1.1 volts.

 a 1 gpu pc could hash at 500mhs with a 155 watt pull.  crank it to  250 watts it would hash  at 630 mhs.  if you did 2 chips and altered each chips power draw it could work. I would far prefer a setup where a stick hashed at 500 mhs then 336 mhs

500mhs does seem like a better number for hashing. and I am unfamiliar with how these chips work, but maybe they cannot be under-volted too much and still perform. it seems like i read somewhere that these sticks were already running at lower voltages but i could simply be confusing these sticks with something else.

hopefully the next generation of asic chips will allow higher hash rates at same or lower power consumption. I think with difficulties getting as high as they are, a 1ghs stick needs to come out just to stay competitive as a one-and-done hasher. but still, it is it nice to have something that runs at what most GPUs can run at but at only @ ~2.5w. I think we are getting too greedy / expecting something for nothing with wanting these sticks to perform better. but who knows what the next generation of chips and sticks will bring.

I think maybe a platform that is modular, much like the blades, would be nice. You plug in the required amount of usb cables and plug in another board or two for asic rails. throw a fan on it and call it a day. but i guess that would be a USB blade which may be coming our way anyway.

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August 26, 2013, 05:00:01 PM
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August 26, 2013, 07:04:21 PM
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ASICMiner is now shipping new Colors w/ minor enhancements.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=280961

Any word, Canary, on when you will be distributing these beauties?




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August 26, 2013, 07:28:29 PM
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Canary, I ordered from your bitcanary.com store and during the checkout, it did not give me an address to send payment.  It did ask for MY address though for refunds and changes.  An I missing something?

I haven't been charged yet and the order is sitting at "pending".

Order # is 345.

Thanks!

Canary, did you respond to this already?

Edit: I see your PM.  Thanks.  FYI, I didn't see an address to send payment to.

Edit 2: Never mind. I see you canceled the order.  I created a new order and finally saw the address to send.  Sorry for the confusion.  Thanks!

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August 26, 2013, 07:42:57 PM
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Does anybody have a need for extra cases? I don't resell so I have a handful of those little plastic cases w/ the foam inserts laying around.

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August 26, 2013, 07:49:34 PM
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Does anybody have a need for extra cases? I don't resell so I have a handful of those little plastic cases w/ the foam inserts laying around.

Some dude on eBay resells just the cases for like $5.
Guy is kinda shady on how he sells them like a predator preying on the people too stupid to read.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ASICMINER-Block-Erupter-Case-BLACK-USB-Bitcoin-Miner-Case-/281147367719?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4175b06127
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August 26, 2013, 07:57:38 PM
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Does anybody have a need for extra cases? I don't resell so I have a handful of those little plastic cases w/ the foam inserts laying around.

Some dude on eBay resells just the cases for like $5.
Guy is kinda shady on how he sells them like a predator preying on the people too stupid to read.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ASICMINER-Block-Erupter-Case-BLACK-USB-Bitcoin-Miner-Case-/281147367719?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4175b06127

lol, makes them sound like his own invention

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August 26, 2013, 08:08:43 PM
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Does anybody have a need for extra cases? I don't resell so I have a handful of those little plastic cases w/ the foam inserts laying around.

Some dude on eBay resells just the cases for like $5.
Guy is kinda shady on how he sells them like a predator preying on the people too stupid to read.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ASICMINER-Block-Erupter-Case-BLACK-USB-Bitcoin-Miner-Case-/281147367719?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4175b06127

lol, makes them sound like his own invention

this is also the guy that sells the very unnecessary heatsinks for the usb erupter sticks.
also has auctions for "QuickMiner" which seems like it is just 6 usb sticks and a hub (of course this is pure speculation on my part) in a 3d printed case for 400 bucks
 
but its ebay, there are plenty of suckers buyers out there who will buy anything.

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Does anybody have a need for extra cases? I don't resell so I have a handful of those little plastic cases w/ the foam inserts laying around.

Some dude on eBay resells just the cases for like $5.
Guy is kinda shady on how he sells them like a predator preying on the people too stupid to read.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ASICMINER-Block-Erupter-Case-BLACK-USB-Bitcoin-Miner-Case-/281147367719?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4175b06127

lol, makes them sound like his own invention

this is also the guy that sells the very unnecessary heatsinks for the usb erupter sticks.
also has auctions for "QuickMiner" which seems like it is just 6 usb sticks and a hub (of course this is pure speculation on my part) in a 3d printed case for 400 bucks
 
but its ebay, there are plenty of suckers buyers out there who will buy anything.

very creative but it seems like maybe more work than the payoff...

speaking of heatsinks. Do you know if the ones this guy sells (or somebody else?) actually cool USB erupters enough to run w/ no fan?

If they did I could see them being useful for the right price

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August 26, 2013, 08:16:35 PM
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ASICMiner is now shipping new Colors w/ minor enhancements.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=280961

Any word, Canary, on when you will be distributing these beauties?




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