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August 19, 2013, 05:14:00 PM
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i don't use android phone. i use  blockchain.info
he stole all btc in these 2 address.

He did not steal all your BTC, there is a small amount of change left:

https://blockchain.info/address/1Mq2Q1BMicK4ECE6GNR6mDTPdkxwxDe3mc has 0.010544 BTC left

https://blockchain.info/address/1CzAncjXYjtiXNC4CNAw4RoKdQLoi72xn has 0.005631 BTC left

I am looking into it but so far it looks like you are the victim of a known issue, the bad signature bug caused by a faulty secure random number generator.

The signatures of your most recent two transactions:

https://blockchain.info/tx/a7a0477f8dcff04843d8a9fa734a12125a6a3521c76b6229d434d924123c00fc

https://blockchain.info/tx/d7ca2c2726a8793ceb4681950732721506ec4cb700a116d288754beaeb2149dd

appear to be the same:

304402205713e765e3c010b6d8f7bfee8e574f1423c88fdd9504d4ec0128b8f6f0037e6702204f6 25cb1772dc54dcc662cabade0a20141b849e5e4b4d80c98876c42bcd5f98f01 04b8c7b27846a1df35a87763f75b421a4f8148d17ca91c2daab6838aa5b04d48e373bba0cc1e081 be696bc626296febcdccab5336a43b8861a91afa57865bbb3f5

and

3046022100ce9509ae9b442f0ad2684b7fd83923b4f6df70c9197f22c616c429a6efac03a302210 0da424212a11effccc7eadf8bf532250911706636483376dbd5ef04033f75104201 04b8c7b27846a1df35a87763f75b421a4f8148d17ca91c2daab6838aa5b04d48e373bba0cc1e081 be696bc626296febcdccab5336a43b8861a91afa57865bbb3f5

Can someone else please verify this is the issue?


If you look up above here on this forum there is a red link that says:

News: Due to a serious flaw in Android, all users of Android-based wallets must take immediate action. More info

You can find out more there.


1.  i don't have android phone. i always use website block chain.info for transactions/
2. https://blockchain.info/tx/a7a0477f8dcff04843d8a9fa734a12125a6a3521c76b6229d434d924123c00fc   this transaction to mtgox.com

So if can I think this thief make transaction to BTC TRADE PLATFORM?

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August 19, 2013, 05:15:49 PM
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You can't spot issues with bad RNG (due to Android or any other future bug) by just eyeballing the signature.   The signature won't be identical as the signature is a signing of the hash of the simplified tx.  Since any two txs will be different the hash will be different and the signature will be different as well.  

I believe you are also incorrect here, DeathAndTaxes. The signature part actually consists out of two numbers: r which is a random number, and s, which is actual signature. Normally, if you have two transactions, you have:

Tx 1: R1, R1
Tx 2: R2, R2

However if your RNG is flawed and spits out two identical random numbers, it becomes:

Tx 1: R, S1
Tx 2: R, S2

And because of that we can calculate the private key used to generate these signatures using equation below:

Private key = (e1*S2 - e2*S1)/(R*(S1-S2))

Where e1 and e2 are hashes of the transaction, which are also public knowledge.

So the point is - you can spot an issue (a specific kind of issue) with the RNG just by looking at the signatures.

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August 19, 2013, 05:18:46 PM
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i don't use android phone. i use  blockchain.info
he stole all btc in these 2 address.
Did you have 2 factor authorization activated on blockchain.info?

YES. I Have google authenticator.

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August 19, 2013, 05:25:44 PM
Last edit: August 19, 2013, 05:41:34 PM by DeathAndTaxes
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2 address difference password. one of them same password as [REDACTED]

If the attacker is watching you just gave him more accounts to attack.  
1) Delete or modify your post above  ^
2) Change those passwords ASAP.

NEVER reuse passwords at least not for any account which has monetary value.
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August 19, 2013, 05:26:51 PM
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I believe you are also incorrect here ...

In review you are correct.  I fixed the post.  Thanks.
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August 19, 2013, 05:28:39 PM
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Since 2-factor-authorization was used, I don't think they did this via the blockchain.info website.

Where are your backups stored?
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August 19, 2013, 05:31:55 PM
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Since 2-factor-authorization was used, I don't think they did this via the blockchain.info website.

Where are your backups stored?

my computer.

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August 19, 2013, 05:32:06 PM
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i don't use android phone. i use  blockchain.info
he stole all btc in these 2 address.

He did not steal all your BTC, there is a small amount of change left:

https://blockchain.info/address/1Mq2Q1BMicK4ECE6GNR6mDTPdkxwxDe3mc has 0.010544 BTC left

https://blockchain.info/address/1CzAncjXYjtiXNC4CNAw4RoKdQLoi72xn has 0.005631 BTC left



Oh come on now, don't throw salt in this users wound.  If you were driving home from your bank with thousands of dollars in your wallet and armed thieves stole all your cash but one dollar in your front pocket.  You'd tell people they stole ALL your money too.
I was not trying to make him feel worse than he already does.  I consider the fact that the thief left this small amount of BTC and did not take it all a clue.

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August 19, 2013, 05:36:36 PM
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Since 2-factor-authorization was used, I don't think they did this via the blockchain.info website.

Where are your backups stored?

my computer.
Your computer might be compromised and keylogged and your wallet.aes.json file been stolen.
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August 19, 2013, 05:38:40 PM
Last edit: August 19, 2013, 06:08:59 PM by DeathAndTaxes
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Since 2-factor-authorization was used, I don't think they did this via the blockchain.info website.

Where are your backups stored?

my computer.

If attacker has gained access to your computer he would have access to the backup file and could keylog your passphrase the last time you used it (anywhere you typed it not necessarily just blockchain.info).  
Password + backup file is all that is needed.  blockchain.info 2FA only prevents attacker from using the site not from decrypting a backup.

That is the most likely attack scenario however since you reused passwords on multiple sites it is possible (although less likely) the password was compromised from another site.  NEVER reuse passwords.  If you are going to ignore that advice at a minimum use unique strong passwords for financial sites (banks, paypal, bitcoin exchanges, wallets, etc) as well as any method of resetting password for those sites (i.e. email).  Someone hacking your twitter account is much less of a loss than hacking your money.
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August 19, 2013, 05:47:45 PM
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looks like its all going to dice.

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August 19, 2013, 05:57:03 PM
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Holy shit!  That's a lot of Bitcoin.  Sorry to hear about this Sad

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August 19, 2013, 06:18:54 PM
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This is the second incident (I'm aware of) with an attacker gaining access to a blockchain.info account. In the earlier one several account balances were moved to a new one in an apparently coordinated operation.

The victims share similarities. If I remember at least one of the victims in the earlier theft used 2FA, and may have kept a local backup. The best guess I have is similar to DeathAndTaxes which is some kind of keylogger, but even that seems to not fit well because there would be reports of other services being burgled.

It's hard to see where the vulnerability is here. We really need those Trezors. In the meantime, once again, if you are keeping more coins stored long term with any online service than you can afford to lose you have too much stored there.
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August 19, 2013, 06:22:46 PM
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We really need those Trezors.

I like my hardware wallet.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=277583.msg2964099#msg2964099

Just kidding.  Smiley

Trezors and the like will be great but even so unless you are planning on spending/transfering coins it is best to have them offline.

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August 19, 2013, 06:22:47 PM
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Why is he now playing SD with tiny amount?
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August 19, 2013, 06:25:03 PM
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In the meantime, once again, if you are keeping more coins stored long term with any online service than you can afford to lose you have too much stored there.

Lesson learned for anyone else. Keep large amounts in cold storage. Only use online wallets for day to day spending.

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August 19, 2013, 06:32:58 PM
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We really need those Trezors.

I like my hardware wallet.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=277583.msg2964099#msg2964099

Just kidding.  Smiley

Trezors and the like will be great but even so unless you are planning on spending/transfering coins it is best to have them offline.

Now that's what I call a safe! Smiley

I actually consider Trezors about equal to keeping coins offline. That's why I'm so anxious for them. Most people won't bother with the complexity of learning how to keep and manage coins in cold storage. Not only do you have to learn how to do it, but then learn how to spend those coins as well as keep the physical storage medium safe. Trezor allows convenient access to spending coins while keeping them just as safe as cold storage. The task for users is reduced down to learning to use it and managing their backup seed.
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August 19, 2013, 06:35:13 PM
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Holy fuck. Sorry for the loss. I don't know the link... but there is a data recovery service provided by a company for BTC. First of it's kind.
Yeah, but what they can do is limited to:

"The company is offering a Bitcoin retrieval service to individuals, companies and businesses around the globe who may need Bitcoin recovered from damaged hard drives, memory cards and mobile phones." http://www.sytech-consultants.com/

But also

'In a world first, SYTECH has announced a stolen Bitcoin tracing and recovery service; turning its decades of digital forensics expertise to tracing online Bitcoin criminals and recovering stolen Bitcoin for their clients.'

From http://www.sytech-consultants.com/blog/2013/worlds-first-stolen-bitcoin-tracing-service-and-bitcoin-data-recovery-high-profile-digital-forensic-services-company-sytech-embraces-bitcoin

If it was my coins stolen, I think I'd offer them the job if they would take no more than 50% of what they recovered.
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August 19, 2013, 06:38:49 PM
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Looks like your pc is compromised. Scan it .
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