BFL was a SCAM from the beginning -EXT HDD case being sold as a miner in 2011.

[CrashX]

I've see a shit load of users saying that they pay for a unit over a year ago and haven't received it.

Not sure how people didn't notice that they where selling an External Hard Drives case as a ASIC "The Single" device.

I was a Scam from the beginning, and smart one for Josh.


He began a site and began accepting pre-orders and promised to delivered in 3months and even offer an exchange.

Not sure how people didn't see it.

[rammy2k2]

Oh shut up and stop posting useless topics ...

I was a Scam from the beginning, and smart one for Josh.

LOL .. are u ?

[Maidak]

Oh shut up and stop posting useless topics ...

I was a Scam from the beginning, and smart one for Josh.

LOL .. are u ?

+1

[Bicknellski]

I've see a shit load of users saying that they pay for a unit over a year ago and haven't received it.

Not sure how people didn't notice that they where selling an External Hard Drives case as a ASIC "The Single" device.

It* (correction) was a Scam from the beginning, and smart one for Josh.


He began a site and began accepting pre-orders and promised to delivered in 3months and even offer an exchange.

Not sure how people didn't see it.

No doubt they had NOTHING to start with and projected as they did. Same with the Monarch... boycott BFL best solution.

[freedomno1]

This is interesting enough no wonder more rage
http://www.coindesk.com/butterfly-labs-monarch-miner-announcement-angers-existing-customers/

[Bicknellski]

This is interesting enough no wonder more rage
http://www.coindesk.com/butterfly-labs-monarch-miner-announcement-angers-existing-customers/

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Further to the “all sales are final” position, Butterfly Labs is no longer accepting PayPal as a method of payment;
instead, only taking bitcoin or bank transfers as payment. Both of these are irreversible payment methods.

RUN AWAY... do not buy from them... Danger Will Robinson DANGER!

Boycott BFL... let us rid the community of these sorts of companies.

[CrashX]

This is interesting enough no wonder more rage
http://www.coindesk.com/butterfly-labs-monarch-miner-announcement-angers-existing-customers/

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Further to the “all sales are final” position, Butterfly Labs is no longer accepting PayPal as a method of payment;
 instead, only taking bitcoin or bank transfers as payment. Both of these are irreversible payment methods.

RUN AWAY... do not buy from them... Danger Will Robinson DANGER!

bank transfer aren't irreversible, and if you purchase something for them in the begging of the year you could still get your money. ill write an article about it tomorrow

[HellDiverUK]

I was a Scam from the beginning, and smart one for Josh.

So, dumb-ass, are all those people mining with Jalapenos/Little Singles/whatever lying?  Is the network hash rate going up because of these non-existent scam miners?

So what if it took longer than expected?  They're shipping now, and people are getting their products and mining with them.  Yes, they've been less than transparent, but is there any wonder?  The amount of bickering, complaining, trolling and lies being directed to BFL is shocking.   

The amount of email they must get from whiners who email every hour on the hour because they've had to wait, who then complain because they don't get a reply for 2 weeks.  Here's an idea, brainiacs, don't email every nanosecond, then they won't have 40,000 emails an hour to wade through.

[CoinHoarder]

I was a Scam from the beginning, and smart one for Josh.

So, dumb-ass, are all those people mining with Jalapenos/Little Singles/whatever lying?  Is the network hash rate going up because of these non-existent scam miners?

So what if it took longer than expected?  They're shipping now, and people are getting their products and mining with them.  Yes, they've been less than transparent, but is there any wonder?  The amount of bickering, complaining, trolling and lies being directed to BFL is shocking.   

The amount of email they must get from whiners who email every hour on the hour because they've had to wait, who then complain because they don't get a reply for 2 weeks.  Here's an idea, brainiacs, don't email every nanosecond, then they won't have 40,000 emails an hour to wade through.

Date Registered:   April 20, 2013, 05:31:35 PM

Carry on. 

[CrashX]

I was a Scam from the beginning, and smart one for Josh.

So, dumb-ass, are all those people mining with Jalapenos/Little Singles/whatever lying?  Is the network hash rate going up because of these non-existent scam miners?

So what if it took longer than expected?  They're shipping now, and people are getting their products and mining with them.  Yes, they've been less than transparent, but is there any wonder?  The amount of bickering, complaining, trolling and lies being directed to BFL is shocking.   

The amount of email they must get from whiners who email every hour on the hour because they've had to wait, who then complain because they don't get a reply for 2 weeks.  Here's an idea, brainiacs, don't email every nanosecond, then they won't have 40,000 emails an hour to wade through.

There are 2 type of Scams.

First being a Go in Quick:
    You go  in  and clean up in a few months and disappear (Usually after a few complaints or chargebacks.)

Second being a Show and Tell:
    You go in hard. Once you get a cash flow develop afew units around 10-15% of all the order you have
      (this is done by buying units from other suppliers and adding your brand to it).
    Spreed those units as much as you can.
    Send some unites to review sites/testers/known people
    Do marketing
   
    *Then buyer's will come to you thinking your a trustworthy company and don't mine giving you $500-$25,000 and be waiting for a half to a year before getting a product.

    * Keep doing the process Over and Over until it get kill.


Need Proof?
BFL just "release" a new product line the "The Monarch".

How can a company release a new product line when is still has backlog of 70%-85% of all previous orders?


More Proof?
They stop accepting PayPal as a payment method, the only option is  Bitcoin and Bank Transfer's now.


Don't be naïve...

[-Redacted-]

You've got to love that cardboard cutout they're using in their Monarch ad....

[CrashX]

You've got to love that cardboard cutout they're using in their Monarch ad....

Was the crappies CG design they have release since the new site came up.

   But still the External Hard Drive case looks worse 

[erk]

The Bitforce Single was not in a hard drive case, it has a case very similar to what the Jalapeno uses. It's is also an FPGA miner not an ASIC.

Here is a video of one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neHHrC3qgIE

[CrashX]

The Bitforce Single was not in a hard drive case, it has a case very similar to what the Jalapeno uses. It's is also an FPGA miner not an ASIC.

Here is a video of one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neHHrC3qgIE

Your telling me that wasn't a Hard Drive case when BFL started? If you need a higher resolution of the site, ill be happy to upload it...

Full shot of that section.



Full shot of the site:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Hl2LpCbTs1A/UhSSTTbreBI/AAAAAAAAATQ/Czet6Cy0AoY/w1358-h849-no/BFL+began+as+a+scam+Proff.png

[erk]

The Bitforce Single was not in a hard drive case, it has a case very similar to what the Jalapeno uses. It's is also an FPGA miner not an ASIC.

Here is a video of one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neHHrC3qgIE

Your telling me that wasn't a Hard Drive case when BFL started? If you need a higher resolution of the site, ill be happy to upload it...

Full shot of that section.



Full shot of the site:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Hl2LpCbTs1A/UhSSTTbreBI/AAAAAAAAATQ/Czet6Cy0AoY/w1358-h849-no/BFL+began+as+a+scam+Proff.png

I am telling you your picture has nothing to do with the unit that shipped. For all I know it could have been a place holder pic used by the web developer. You are grasping at straws. Look at the unit that actually shipped instead of pushing FUD like a troll.

There is not even a link to order on that page!

[Xian01]

The Bitforce Single was not in a hard drive case, it has a case very similar to what the Jalapeno uses. It's is also an FPGA miner not an ASIC.
Here is a video of one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neHHrC3qgIE

Your telling me that wasn't a Hard Drive case when BFL started? If you need a higher resolution of the site, ill be happy to upload it...
Full shot of that section.

Full shot of the site:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Hl2LpCbTs1A/UhSSTTbreBI/AAAAAAAAATQ/Czet6Cy0AoY/w1358-h849-no/BFL+began+as+a+scam+Proff.png

I am telling you your picture has nothing to do with the unit that shipped. For all I know it could have been a place holder pic used by the web developer.

That's the point.  The picture has nothing to do with what was actually shipped.

[bcp19]

The Bitforce Single was not in a hard drive case, it has a case very similar to what the Jalapeno uses. It's is also an FPGA miner not an ASIC.

Here is a video of one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neHHrC3qgIE

Your telling me that wasn't a Hard Drive case when BFL started? If you need a higher resolution of the site, ill be happy to upload it...

Full shot of that section.


Full shot of the site:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Hl2LpCbTs1A/UhSSTTbreBI/AAAAAAAAATQ/Czet6Cy0AoY/w1358-h849-no/BFL+began+as+a+scam+Proff.png

If you go by pictures, the Jalapeno was supposed to be ~1/2 the height it is currently and the LS/Singles were supposed to use what is now the Jalapeno case.  Plans change dude, just cause concept = something that looks like an EXT-HDD and turns out different does not equal scam.

[CoinHoarder]

I love all these yahoos that are defending BFL, notice how they've been around for less than 4 months.. some of them only 2. They have yet to be scammed by BFL, so just let them blow their hot air.

Make sure to report back to us on the success of your BFL orders and all those BTCs you made...  

[bcp19]

I love all these yahoos that are defending BFL, notice how they've been around for less than 4 months.. some of them only 2. They have yet to be scammed by BFL, so just let them blow their hot air.

Make sure to report back to us on the success of your BFL orders and all those BTCs you made...  

"Oh look, he's only been here for 2 months cause that's when he joined, he's a wanna be fanboi!"

Don't strain yourself patting yourself on the back.  I've spent many months lurking on here, it's just that now when the realization sinks in that these little magic money making boxes WON'T make you millions that people have come out in droves crying.  Yes, I was late to the bitcoin party but I also spent 4 months reading and thinking before placing my order with BFL.  Then I spent more months reading and laughing, cause *I* knew what I was getting into when I purchased.  My computer runs 24/7 and I used to use my GPUs for GIMPS so I had a set energy cost already with $0 gain.  Now I'm up over 25 bitcoins and I have not spent 1 red cent more than I would have if I were still with GIMPS.  Case in point, my electric bills have actually gone down, because none of the CPU coins out currently tax the CPU as hard as GIMPS did. 

Everyone on this forum has their 'favorite company' to get behind and cheer for.  Pfft.  None of them will pay off unless the value of BTC rises, which it is likely to do.  People bring up the difficulty repeatedly during their whines about not getting their BFL products.  "*I'M* losing money!!!"  Bullshit.  I built a time/motion study based on BFL shipping on time last Oct and only producing 1 1.5TH mini rig per day for 60 days, adding 90TH to the network.  With the price of BTC at that time, you'd have heard the same thing then as you are hearing now, cause RoI would be rapidly dissappearing for all but the ones who bought 1st.  While not exactly accurate, http://bfl.ptz.ro/ paints a good picture.  I see 20.82TH from 'known' day 1 orders from the 49 listed on there.  1/3 of my time motion study from 'KNOWN' orders and there's potentially 3-6x more UNKNOWN!  Sorry to say, but if they had shipped on time, NO ONE WHO BOUGHT IN JULY OR LATER would make back the BTC spent.  The value has since risen, so those smart enough to hold onto their coins WOULD have profited, which is the same case as now.

All of you are freaking out over the water that has risen to your ankles, but from what I see, none of you are listening when I point out the Tsunami about to break over your asses.  Conservative estimates on my part indicate 10 PETAHASH or in excess of 1.2 BILLION difficulty by the end of Dec.  Admittedly this assumes BFL, Avalon, KnC, Cointerra, Etc, Etc, Etc, Etc all ship or put online as they state.

BFL is the main target becasue they took the bulk of these orders over the last 14 months.  Many people are now demanding refunds and buying from competitors, but the end result will still be the same.

Yea, BFL is shipping slow... but... imagine where the difficulty would be today if they HAD gotten their shit together and shipped everything last Oct/ Apr  / Jun... 

Hate to tell ya trollboy, *MY* eyes seem to be the only ones that are open here. 

[CoinHoarder]

Re: huge wall of text

tl;dr

I was just pointing out that people that have only been around for a few months don't understand the full picture, and haven't given themselves ample enough time to get screwed by BFL- that's all.