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Good Day Everyone! I think this is the most appropriate section where I can post my question regarding the development of Bitcoin. I just read the Bitcoin whitepaper and most of it content are difficult for me to understand, lots of them are Mathematical Equation and programs. Upon reading there is only one question. that pops in my mind. What processes or steps in order for the creator to increase its Supply Limit? [I am also pertaining to Alternative Coins not just Bitcoins]. Someone says that it is complicated. Can you cite some relevant previous post or links?
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January 21, 2018, 11:41:50 AM |
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What processes or steps in order for the creator to increase its Supply Limit? The maximum number of Bitcoins ever to be created is more or less an arbitrary choice. That choice has been made before the first block was mined, and it will never be changed.
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January 21, 2018, 12:17:07 PM |
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Good Day Everyone! I think this is the most appropriate section where I can post my question regarding the development of Bitcoin. I just read the Bitcoin whitepaper and most of it content are difficult for me to understand, lots of them are Mathematical Equation and programs. Upon reading there is only one question. that pops in my mind. What processes or steps in order for the creator to increase its Supply Limit? [I am also pertaining to Alternative Coins not just Bitcoins]. Someone says that it is complicated. Can you cite some relevant previous post or links?
For you to change the total supply of the Coins that can be mined it can be done with a hard fork but, another coin would just be made with the name Bitcoin on it. it's imposible for you to change the supply it's made only to have 21m on it (BTC).
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January 21, 2018, 12:26:30 PM |
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For bitcoin, you would have to make hard fork, meaning you would have to convince whole network to increase total supply of coins in order to make it happen. Otherwise, if only part of the network agrees, you would end up with separate chain, another "bitcoin", a worthless copy with higher supply.
Regarding other coins, it's really case to case basis but for most of them, the same rules as for bitcoin, applies.
For most ERC20 tokens, it's impossible since it would require new smart contract and in practice new coin.
Overall it's very difficult thing to do and if you don't have really good reason and will convince whole network, you won't be able to do it.
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January 21, 2018, 01:56:32 PM |
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Good Day Everyone! I think this is the most appropriate section where I can post my question regarding the development of Bitcoin. I just read the Bitcoin whitepaper and most of it content are difficult for me to understand, lots of them are Mathematical Equation and programs. Upon reading there is only one question. that pops in my mind. What processes or steps in order for the creator to increase its Supply Limit? [I am also pertaining to Alternative Coins not just Bitcoins]. Someone says that it is complicated. Can you cite some relevant previous post or links?
To answer your exact question (bolded) I think if Satoshi Nakamoto suddenly showed up and asked everybody to increase the Supply Limit, it might happen. Not that it's a good idea or a bad idea.
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January 21, 2018, 02:44:58 PM |
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Just like any other network rules, the block reward could be modified through hard forks. If you convince everyone to run your client with the new block rewards, then you have effectively increased the supply limit. Anyone can do this, not limited to the creator. The whole point of Bitcoin is for anyone to be able to make changes and people can choose to or not to follow you.
Anyways, there is no economic incentives to do so. It would just devalue Bitcoin.
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January 21, 2018, 09:40:31 PM |
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To answer your exact question (bolded) I think if Satoshi Nakamoto suddenly showed up and asked everybody to increase the Supply Limit, it might happen.
Not that it's a good idea or a bad idea.
Could he even prove who he was any more? Moving coins from the appropriate blocks only proves that person has control over those private keys and nothing else. And I'm sure a large proportion of Bitcoin fans would take great pleasure in ignoring the opinion of one person just to prove a point. As for the original question, a hard fork with overwhelming consensus would be required to raise the supply. It would take a truly epic PR campaign and probable mass hypnosis to get it through.
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January 21, 2018, 10:25:51 PM |
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Good Day Everyone! I think this is the most appropriate section where I can post my question regarding the development of Bitcoin. I just read the Bitcoin whitepaper and most of it content are difficult for me to understand, lots of them are Mathematical Equation and programs. Upon reading there is only one question. that pops in my mind. What processes or steps in order for the creator to increase its Supply Limit? [I am also pertaining to Alternative Coins not just Bitcoins]. Someone says that it is complicated. Can you cite some relevant previous post or links?
This thing is only possible on forking it but changing the total supply of bitcoin itself wont really be changed since the first block been mined just like the same on those guys posted above. Why wont bother such thing? Just leave bitcoin as it should be ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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January 22, 2018, 07:14:40 AM |
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What processes or steps in order for the creator to increase its Supply Limit? The maximum number of Bitcoins ever to be created is more or less an arbitrary choice. That choice has been made before the first block was mined, and it will never be changed. I now understand the concept. So basically, the maximum 21M supply will never be changed when the first block was mined. It's like you only have one chance to change its limit.
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January 22, 2018, 08:35:19 AM |
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So basically, the maximum 21M supply will never be changed when the first block was mined.
Correct.
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January 22, 2018, 09:08:27 AM |
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So basically, the maximum 21M supply will never be changed when the first block was mined.
Correct. You can. As long as you modify the code to increase the block reward and people run it, you would have effectively increased the total possible coin in circulation. The change can only be for those running your modified client. It wouldn't be considered Bitcoin anymore though, since the coin cap violates one of the few goals that Bitcoin is trying to achieve.
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January 22, 2018, 11:17:55 AM |
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Good Day Everyone! I think this is the most appropriate section where I can post my question regarding the development of Bitcoin. I just read the Bitcoin whitepaper and most of it content are difficult for me to understand, lots of them are Mathematical Equation and programs. Upon reading there is only one question. that pops in my mind. What processes or steps in order for the creator to increase its Supply Limit? [I am also pertaining to Alternative Coins not just Bitcoins]. Someone says that it is complicated. Can you cite some relevant previous post or links?
Bitcoin is a protocol written by Satoshi Nakamoto in whitepaper ---> https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf. limited supply Is an option developed by the developer to create a scarcity in the currency of Bitcoin, which Considers the most important reasons for decentralization and high value. Satoshi is able to modify this number. Developers can modify it and that is called Hard fork.
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January 22, 2018, 11:47:22 AM |
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one of the reasons bitcoin is hard for Governments to meddle in btc,is its limited supply. When bitcoins get seized such in what has happened with BTC-E exchange the prices goes up. Forgetting the fact you would have to hard fork, you turn bitcoin into a fiat currency and it value would fall.
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January 22, 2018, 12:35:20 PM |
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The maximum number of bitcoins that will ever be in circulation is 20999999.9769, just shy of 21 million. This number cannot be changed in vanilla bitcoin, but may vary in derivative coins or forked coins. The number chosen was supposedly random for BTC, whereas other coins choose a number that has some meaning, such as pi, or the number of estimated ounces of Gold in the world.
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January 22, 2018, 12:51:43 PM |
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Satoshi is able to modify this number. Developers can modify it and that is called Hard fork.
Satoshi cannot modify this number and make everyone accept it. Anyone with decent technical knowledge can modify the number but they cannot expect everyone to follow it. The maximum number of bitcoins that will ever be in circulation is 20999999.9769, just shy of 21 million. This number cannot be changed in vanilla bitcoin, but may vary in derivative coins or forked coins.
It's actually a lot less than that. Factoring out the lost Bitcoins, the maximum possible number of Bitcoins to be generated is roughly 20999827.243BTC.
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January 22, 2018, 01:05:30 PM |
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It wouldn't be considered Bitcoin anymore though, since the coin cap violates one of the few goals that Bitcoin is trying to achieve.
That's when the fork comes, they are modifying everything according to what they believe that's right. Everyone that will hear a person that wants to increase the supply limit will mostly be ignored. We do believe already that 21 Million supply is a good number and we can't argue with it anymore. And mining the total supply limit of BTC will take time, so we're all dead by that time - assumed year (2140).
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It would increase but not more than the usual, if we would just know everything about mining we would know that each new block release new bitcoins into the network and would continue to do until the year 2140. If it is a hard fork, then there would be two different coins and each would ave 21 million as a limit, if it was just a soft fork then the supply would just stay the same.
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January 22, 2018, 03:44:20 PM |
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Increasing supply limit technically needs a consensus, most of the people need to support this option and upgrade their wallets, or there will be a hard fork. However, I think increasing the supply limit will reduce the price of 1 bitcoin, and the big whale will not support it.
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January 22, 2018, 03:59:21 PM |
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To answer your exact question (bolded) I think if Satoshi Nakamoto suddenly showed up and asked everybody to increase the Supply Limit, it might happen.
Not that it's a good idea or a bad idea.
Could he even prove who he was any more? Moving coins from the appropriate blocks only proves that person has control over those private keys and nothing else. And I'm sure a large proportion of Bitcoin fans would take great pleasure in ignoring the opinion of one person just to prove a point. As for the original question, a hard fork with overwhelming consensus would be required to raise the supply. It would take a truly epic PR campaign and probable mass hypnosis to get it through. Sorry this post has got nothing with the original post but I HAVE to comment. These are the words of some tired, old man who has seen a battles too many. He is gazing at the sunset, leaning on his stick and wondering "Ohh, Was it all worth it??" A lot of people must bet tired of the constant flux and the pettiness of human nature on display. Like, why did Satoshi ever think that us semi-apes could ever arrive on consensus..LOL..Sorry again, meant no disrespect to anybody. This post just triggered a few emotions. To ends this rant: Í dub thee unforgiven!!"A tired man they see no longer cares The old man then prepares To die regretfully That old man here is me"
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January 22, 2018, 08:56:17 PM |
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Good Day Everyone! I think this is the most appropriate section where I can post my question regarding the development of Bitcoin. I just read the Bitcoin whitepaper and most of it content are difficult for me to understand, lots of them are Mathematical Equation and programs. Upon reading there is only one question. that pops in my mind. What processes or steps in order for the creator to increase its Supply Limit? [I am also pertaining to Alternative Coins not just Bitcoins]. Someone says that it is complicated. Can you cite some relevant previous post or links?
So the truth is that there is no real reason why the totale supply of bitcoin was made 21million, it is just a number chosen by the creater and he only is the one capable of giving the reson behiend it, as for the altcoins you can see that they have different supply and some of them have crazy amount and i am here refearing to ripple which has 100 billion coin of a supply, my guess that the supply should be small but not crazy small so that many people can get it and its value would increase over time, otherwise it will be worthless if it was unlimited.
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