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August 27, 2013, 05:59:07 PM
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ok ive done more research and i kinda gave up on the system i just put together im going to be maybe getting another one or rebuilding another one i think that one was not good enough .. with the card i was getting, it was about 150 or 170 kh/s for the card i was getting

but the other thing is , where would i be able to get the commands for CGminer so i know which card to disable and like which card should be mining separately from the other , i wont be doing multiple pools i will be sticking to 1 pool but each GPU will be mining separately so i can get the most KH/s from them and the more LTC

and the other thing is i might change my power supply to a 850w cause i went through this http://images10.newegg.com/BizIntell/tool/psucalc/ and it recommended me a 710 so just to be safe ill go 750 or 825w for the power supply

also i would appreciate if you guys can help me out to pick a good card worth the price and what its doing , if you want to take a look at this and let me know
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=8511870&CatId=7387

or this card

http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=43_1200_557_558&item_id=056753
you should buy 7950 or 7970
7950 ~ 219$ ($189.99 after $30.00 rebate card) ~ 640Khash
7970 ~ 325$ ( 305$ after rebate) ~ 740Khash
just use these commands : nothing = use all opencl card,if you had 4 card,without -d  = use all card
-d 0 -d 1 -d 2  = use card 1 2 3..that's all
find more here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=28402.0

oh okay thank you for the commands i appreciate it
also the price you gave me for the 7950 is amazing !!! where do you get that price !??!? or where should i order it from , because with what i see the cards that you listed are easy over 350$$


newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=7950&N=-1&isNodeId=1

7990 ($649.99
Save: 28%
$619.99 after $30.00 rebate)is even better because it can reach 1400Khash with only 350W
7950 ~ 200-250w
7970 ~ 250-300w
power consumption depends on which voltage you use
for my rig,4x7970 ~ 2900Khash,the whole system uses ~ 1200W,so that means :1450khash ~ 600W

with 1 7990 ~ 1400Khash: 350W + 50W for the others components (cpu,hdd..etc) + 15% psu efficiency = 350+50+400*15% = 460W
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August 27, 2013, 06:23:29 PM
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what about this card http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/searchtools/item_upsell.asp?EdpNo=8078201&msg=

how much would i be able to get out of that card ?? and is it good to purchase ?? its about 200 - 250 like you said but when i compared it here

http://litecoin.info/Mining_Hardware_Comparison#ATI_.28AMD.29_GPUs

it says around 500 - 600 !??!

is that correct or is that a assumption like around that ?

because i want to start it off first then move to the 7990 later maybe in 1 month or so
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August 27, 2013, 07:32:30 PM
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If you're doing one pool, you only need one instance of cgminer running. Period. Doesn't matter if you're running 1 card, 3 cards, or 7 cards. The only real difference is if the cards themselves are disparate models and require different engine settings, memory settings, intensity settings (which, BTW, you can STILL get around by running one instance of CGminer and using comma commands.)

There are only a couple cases in which I can think of you might need multiple cgminers running on the same computer:
-You want each card to mine a different pool
-You want one card to mine scrypt, another to mine SHA256 (which is a variant of the "different pool" item)
-You want cards 2 and 3 to mine full out, and card 1 to mine desktop mode speed (essentially, intensity 9 instead of intensity 18 or 19)... and want to be able to just flat out stop card 1's mining when you REALLY need the power on a desktop app.

If you don't specifically tell cgminer to use device flags, like -d 1 (to use card 1)... it will use all devices available (1,2, and 3).

Bottom line though: To me, it makes no sense trying to split apart cards unless you have a REALLY REALLY good reason... it just adds complication. Remember the KISS principle.
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I'm still going to say 4GB RAM is VERY low for 3 7950s, and I'm still going to suggest 8GB RAM (meaning you will need a 64bit operating system... not that hard to get nowadays). I'm also going to say 750W for 3 7950s is asking for trouble, since a 7950's max TDP is 200W, your core component's power usage is about 110W in practice... meaning you are already at 710w. First hand experience with a Kill-a-watt and also seeing forums suggests that the cards actually exceed that TDP, and some forum claims say they can go as high as 250W... each. Getting an 850 is going to give you a system that has no expansion as a miner... which is ok for a first miner, but not good if you wanted to add a fourth card.

First hand experience with 7950's is that if you don't have them tuned right but use some of the suggestions off the litecoin mining hardware comparison, you get about 500-550... but many people say if you tune them right, you get 600+. I'm trying to tune my multiple Gigabyte 7950's rig with three of the same card, but purchased a month apart, and running into compatibility issues where they aren't stable above the 550 mark.

BTW, people have suggested you don't want to mix different manufacturer's of cards, nor do you mix different model numbers (eg 7950s and 7990's in same rig) or different generations (7950s and 6970's) in the same rig.

As to who to buy from... I've usually found tigerdirect to be overpriced more often than not compared to Newegg... and even Amazon sometime beats Newegg on prices at times... all while looking at the same exact item.
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August 27, 2013, 07:47:24 PM
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If you're doing one pool, you only need one instance of cgminer running. Period. Doesn't matter if you're running 1 card, 3 cards, or 7 cards. The only real difference is if the cards themselves are disparate models and require different engine settings, memory settings, intensity settings (which, BTW, you can STILL get around by running one instance of CGminer and using comma commands.)

There are only a couple cases in which I can think of you might need multiple cgminers running on the same computer:
-You want each card to mine a different pool
-You want one card to mine scrypt, another to mine SHA256 (which is a variant of the "different pool" item)
-You want cards 2 and 3 to mine full out, and card 1 to mine desktop mode speed (essentially, intensity 9 instead of intensity 18 or 19)... and want to be able to just flat out stop card 1's mining when you REALLY need the power on a desktop app.

If you don't specifically tell cgminer to use device flags, like -d 1 (to use card 1)... it will use all devices available (1,2, and 3).

Bottom line though: To me, it makes no sense trying to split apart cards unless you have a REALLY REALLY good reason... it just adds complication. Remember the KISS principle.
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I'm still going to say 4GB RAM is VERY low for 3 7950s, and I'm still going to suggest 8GB RAM (meaning you will need a 64bit operating system... not that hard to get nowadays). I'm also going to say 750W for 3 7950s is asking for trouble, since a 7950's max TDP is 200W, your core component's power usage is about 110W in practice... meaning you are already at 710w. First hand experience with a Kill-a-watt and also seeing forums suggests that the cards actually exceed that TDP, and some forum claims say they can go as high as 250W... each. Getting an 850 is going to give you a system that has no expansion as a miner... which is ok for a first miner, but not good if you wanted to add a fourth card.

First hand experience with 7950's is that if you don't have them tuned right but use some of the suggestions off the litecoin mining hardware comparison, you get about 500-550... but many people say if you tune them right, you get 600+. I'm trying to tune my multiple Gigabyte 7950's rig with three of the same card, but purchased a month apart, and running into compatibility issues where they aren't stable above the 550 mark.

BTW, people have suggested you don't want to mix different manufacturer's of cards, nor do you mix different model numbers (eg 7950s and 7990's in same rig) or different generations (7950s and 6970's) in the same rig.

As to who to buy from... I've usually found tigerdirect to be overpriced more often than not compared to Newegg... and even Amazon sometime beats Newegg on prices at times... all while looking at the same exact item.


i see i guess your right why should i split them apart its good to just use -d 0 so its more profitable i guess ,and yea i think i will go for 8g of ram and if i can find a good power supply over 850 ill go with that , but to be 100% i might just stick to 7950s just to start off with and see how it goes i wont go more then 2 GPUs until i get the hang of it , then i will build another rig with higher specs

but as far as finding the cards and with good prices, im unable to find good prices and the cards that i want , but the one that i listed above = http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/searchtools/item_upsell.asp?EdpNo=8078201&msg=

would it be good if i tweaked it , so i would order 2 of those cards if they are good and if i can get the most KH/s out of them !??!? or do you think that the price for that card is too overpriced ??
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August 27, 2013, 08:05:21 PM
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For a Radeon 7950, that's the best price I can also find among the different sites.
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August 27, 2013, 10:38:26 PM
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I'm still going to say 4GB RAM is VERY low for 3 7950s
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depends on which --thread-concurrency you use ,you can use pagefile too
with 6 7970s ,tc =8192,i use only 2GB of ram (1070/1250@ 750Khash)
7950 should use tc 14336
have you ever seen 7950@ 700khash with 1140/1250 Smiley))
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August 28, 2013, 01:25:19 AM
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I was always told that for a 7950, you need to use 21712.
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August 28, 2013, 01:59:04 AM
Last edit: August 28, 2013, 02:11:06 AM by LiteMine
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A variety of values seem to work OK. I get 640 kH/s from my MSI Frozr's at 14336 and 1100/1400, not too bad. ronaldinho_07, what card you getting 700 with?
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August 28, 2013, 02:18:53 AM
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A variety of values seem to work OK. I get 640 kH/s from my MSI Frozr's at 14336 and 1100/1400, not too bad. ronaldinho_07, what card you getting 700 with?
my friend,not me Cheesy
Gigabyte WF 7950 rev 2.1 locked voltage  Grin
Powercolor 7970 is the easiest to mine crypt-coin,just set up your rig,power on...with 12.6 or 13.1 CCC installed,then set core/mem at 1050/1250..enjoy 735Khash per card,haha  Grin
the others 7970 card such as Giga,Sapphire,HIS...sometime need to flashing bios to get higher speed  Wink
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August 28, 2013, 06:10:57 AM
Last edit: August 28, 2013, 03:28:57 PM by mamadmankan
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For a Radeon 7950, that's the best price I can also find among the different sites.


so you think i should go for that card ??!?? final decision lol ?? for start ?

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/searchtools/item_upsell.asp?EdpNo=8078201&msg=
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August 28, 2013, 03:32:36 PM
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how much kh/s would i be able to pump out of this ??

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=8078201&sku=M452-7952

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