Nvidia

[QuintLeo]

Lmao not our fault they're too closed-minded to see the profitability. This trains not stopping for anyone. Mine on.

 The profitability train is going to run into a major wreck called "Ethereum move to Proof of Stake" at some point, currently intended for late this year IIRC.

 Gonna be a BIG shakeout when that happens, since there are more cards mining Ethereum THAN ALL OTHER COINS COMBINED and that huge hoard of GPUs is all going to be looking for new homes at the SAME time.

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[LastJedi]

What do you think about that nVidia wants to limit gpu sales to miners? Why are they moving on?

Because the gamers are getting pissed off at miners hoarding all the graphic card for themselves. Nvidia created these GPU's for gaming, not to mine shitcoins, so they are getting tired of it and will now demand that you are not a miner.

I find it kinda sad that they want to control this tho, anyone should be able to buy their product for any reason, but it seems it's having an impact on their business model.

"For Nvidia gamers come first," Nvidia spokesman Boris Böhles told German hardware website ComputerBase last week. "All of our activities around our GeForce-products are directed towards our main target group. To ensure GeForce-Gamers continuously have access to GeForce-graphic cards even in the current situation, we recommend our trading partners to take according measures to ensure they can provide the needs of gamers per usual."

I think they should start a 100% mining dedicated solution and they would make a lot of sales and leave common GPU's for gaming.

They already have started a 100% mining dedicated solution. There is the cheaper version the Nvidia GP106 which is based on Nvidia GTX 1060 6GB version and the more expensive version the Nvidia GP104 which is some sort of near GTX 1080 and is excellent for mining. This latest card have come out only lately.

 That seems to be the NVidia 3'd party makers, NOT Nvidia itself, pushing those.
 The P104 is a GTX 1070 GPU set up with GDDR5x instead of the normal GDDR5, and some BIOS changes to make it work better with the different RAM.

It is amazing that you mention these cards because I just saw them being sold on ebay yesterday and asked the seller what cards are they more likely to resemble in performance.
He didn't seem to know and just randomly spurted out some card models which were from the range of 1050-1080.
I found that quite hilarious.

[Marvell2]

Lmao not our fault they're too closed-minded to see the profitability. This trains not stopping for anyone. Mine on.

 The profitability train is going to run into a major wreck called "Ethereum move to Proof of Stake" at some point, currently intended for late this year IIRC.

 Gonna be a BIG shakeout when that happens, since there are more cards mining Ethereum THAN ALL OTHER COINS COMBINED and that huge hoard of GPUs is all going to be looking for new homes at the SAME time.

They keep saying that but even the first stage is hybrid POS and so miners are still needed for at least two years to test and vette that system

and the main factor you must take into account is that if the Ethereum team can deliver a scalable POS system that is faster than POW ( thier stated goal) Eth tokens will be worth far far more than they are now

so you could mine for the next 2 years and hold alot of coins and make alot of $$ long term in any case.

[QuintLeo]

It shouldn't take 2 years to test the PoS system - I'd bet on 6 months possibly less.
Isn't the first stage "1% POS" supposed to deploy in the next month or so?
Or did it get delayed AGAIN?

[BitcoinSupremo]

Nvidia plans to bring us the Voltas soon, how soon I don't know but they will make a big difference in mining as their memory will be a GDDR6 which will be a really big improvement over current GDDR5 memory, kinda like the GDDR5 was to GDDR3.

[QuintLeo]

My best estimate is that Nvidia will "announce" the first Volta Consumer cards at their GTC event in late March, availability is looking more and more likely to be "immediate" at that point but MIGHT be delayed 'till April.

No idea how long it will take for their "stockpile" to deplete after that - TSMC should have been making GPUs for the last month for them per their announcement from October, but the current extreme shortage on Pascal parts indicates they are going to have a TON of sale pressure when they show up for sale.

[klintistwood]

it is profitable if you can get a decent price for GPUs and have low power costs. I started 8 months ago while ETH was still around 200$, it was already profitable at that time but return on investment for the hardware was longer. Now it's way more profitable than 8 months ago.

[QuintLeo]

ETH was profitable TWO YEARS AGO when it was still low double-digit pricing - if you had low electric cost and didn't pay a ton for your GPUs.

It had a lot lower diff at the time.

[tadeus1]

My guess is similar dates for Nvidia  - possible news sometime around end March or even April, with cards available may be May-June.
What is interesting for me is what AMD is planning. Its all quiet lately with the change in their tech department.
It would be pretty bad if ETH is gone for all the milions of AMDs, given the fact cryptonight is not that interesting lately as well. 

[coins4commies]

any idea what thesw voltas will cost?  will the increase in the price match or exceed the increase in effectiveness?  those are the important questions to answer.  if not, then x1070s will still be better to mine with than a volta.  


kind of like the titan situation right now.

[tadeus1]

10-15% more vs Pascals....probably. Who knows for sure.
the question you should ask is what performance % increase will be.  My guess - big (not saying big for mining, but big as card performance).  But we would see.

Titans and Volta current one are different kind of beasts.
Different customer base by design. They are not mass- adopted GPUs.  Usually mid levels and low high levels are the mass production.  i.e. 1060, 1070s.

[BennyT]

And as has been said countless times, don't expect the cards that debut initially to have the greatest cooling solutions that you get with a mature product like the 1070 ti.

[Digital Drug Lord]

Nobody knows how long it will last and there may be another huge crash and sale of cards followed up by a period of time where not much happens.  Then suddenly the market blows up again and we're back here talking about the same thing for the third time.

I agree with Travis.  I'm a computer hobbyist and part time gamer primarily and I completely understand people being upset that the miners hoard everything and hog it all to themselves.  It's not easy to get anything at msrp or close to it without putting some effort into it.  Takes patience, knowledge, and luck to find something and get it before another person jumps in and gets it.

2018 is a bad year for nvidia, they cant meet their customers demands, their customers being gamers...

[wheelz1200]

10-15% more vs Pascals....probably. Who knows for sure.
the question you should ask is what performance % increase will be.  My guess - big (not saying big for mining, but big as card performance).  But we would see.

Titans and Volta current one are different kind of beasts.
Different customer base by design. They are not mass- adopted GPUs.  Usually mid levels and low high levels are the mass production.  i.e. 1060, 1070s.

How are the titans for mining?  Is it worth it at this point to pick one up or are some of the cheaper cards better at their price point.  Anyone also know how hot the titans run while mining?

[tadeus1]

More or less similar to 1080ti
Cooling is blower so probably hotter.

Titans were out of stock too recently 

[QuintLeo]

My guess is similar dates for Nvidia  - possible news sometime around end March or even April, with cards available may be May-June.
What is interesting for me is what AMD is planning. Its all quiet lately with the change in their tech department.
It would be pretty bad if ETH is gone for all the milions of AMDs, given the fact cryptonight is not that interesting lately as well. 

AMD is concentrating on Bristol Ridge and second-gen Ryzen this year, they've stated they don't plan any new discrete GPU indroductions in 2018.

Nvidia - I anticipate their GTC confrence in late March will see Volta announced (same as Pascal 2 years back), not sure on availability but they can't AFFORD to delay Volta consumer cards very long unless they're going to ramp Pascal back up for a short bit to tide folks through.
The initial release will be Founder Edition cards, dunno how long it will be 'till 3'd party Volta cards show up (in THEORY it could be same timeframe, but past experience suggests "couple weeks to a month delay after the FE version of a particular GPU shows up" is more likely.
I would guess that pricing will be at least 10% higher on MSRP than Pascal cards if only due to the increase in RAM pricing in 2017 - and won't be shocked at a 15-20% jump in some cases.

ETH - will be around a while longer as mineable, but I can't find firm information on the current "anticipated timeline" for Casper introduction. Probably a year more or less at least to go.

The Titan Xp "Star Wars" cards were in stock 'till Friday or Saturday last week, then Nvidia made some "regular" Titan Xp cards available early this week - but those seem to have dried up already.

Titans are pretty close to the 1080 ti on mining - the 1080 ti is basically 11/12ths of a Titan Xp across the board after all.

They're Founder Edition designs, so they should have pretty much the same thermal curve as the 180 ti FE cards.

Based on the Titan V benchmarks, I'm anticipating 20-30% performance jump over the "equivalent" Pascal cards at the same power consumption, or some mix of "lower power" + "not as much performance gain".
Might vary with the specific model, and they might not try to "match" the Pascal models with the new models - if nothing else, they need to CHANGE that deceptive 1060 naming where the 3GB card is NOT the same GPU as the 6GB card (it's a cut-down version, one CU disabled or some such).

[klintistwood]

what I'm wondering is how much the mining hype has influenced their roadmap. If they indeed plan to release new models, the whole price & demand ratio is out of proportion. Will they release something based on their initial plan or will it follow the same inflation but from the start? If they want to make gamers happy, they should release cards at a normal price but if those cards are good at mining, it will spin out of control again.

[QuintLeo]

I don't see mining having ANY effect on their roadmap as such.
Support for efforts to create mining-specific cards from their existing GPUs, sure - but the mining market is to VARIABLE to plan a roadmap around for a GPU company.

[tadeus1]

It's called Gaming market for the gpu companies. Its more than 200 million gamers.
The fact people can mine is coincidence.

[tjrcoin]

Nvidia has 0 issues.  They were my #1 stock pick last year and their market cap has gone up 700% in the last yr.  You should look at the amount of patents they own mostly to do with VR and AI.  They are no worried about some of their video cards mining crypto.