Reddit comments on a thread. Interesting discussion

[unemployed]

The most popular link today on reddit.com/r/Bitcoin: OP wants to open a porn site with bitcoins but can't take criticism from a porn star offering him valuable advice. ABSOLUTE GOLD!

http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=20984.0

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[nazgulnarsil]

sad.  it's like an adult talking to children.

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Thx for the link. 

Vegetta, many people have told you, i will repeat:

Listen to free advice.

Even if you think she wanted to belittle you (i didnt get that impression), to most people it seems obvious that she did give valuable insight into a business YOU want to enter. Dont turn it away out of spite. LISTEN.

[julz]

oh wow.. that thread is gripping reading.  Train wreck is right. I see outsiders (with relevant experience!) giving free advice civilly (at least at first), and the response is a mixture of petulance and paranoia, as if it's all some attack on bitcoin.

[julz]

I found Jessy Kang's postings in that thread so insightful (and amusingly but justifiably abrasive)
that I thought I'd follow up on Vegetta's suggestion to 'Go search all her other posts in this forum'.

According to him she is a Troll, 'not interested in working with the Bitcoin community', and 'This is not the only post she is trouble making in !'

What I've actually found so far is someone astute enough and concerned enough about bitcoins image to worry that it might not be the right time for bitcoin to be associated with her (legal) adult-oriented business.

She makes great points about the media's portrayal of bitcoin and it's general lack of understanding of bitcoin - but also the bitcoin community's apparent lack of understanding of business reality.

Looks like I might have to venture into the politics part of the forum.
The sad thing is - enough rabid political sqawks seem to leak into the general cyberscape around bitcoin to scare off the average bitcoin-curious merchant.


(cue paranoid calls that I too am a shill paid to bring down bitcoin!)

[BitcoinPorn]

I'm glad I was there for what seems to be on the most amusing threads in Bitcoin history, where Vegetta seems to have pissed off the whole internet lol.

[Tronlet]

(cue paranoid calls that I too am a shill paid to bring down bitcoin!)

Nah, you're just defending her because she's hawt, is what this obviously is.

[Anonymous]

(cue paranoid calls that I too am a shill paid to bring down bitcoin!)

Nah, you're just defending her because she's hawt, is what this obviously is.

White knighting 

That thread is priceless.

[julz]

(cue paranoid calls that I too am a shill paid to bring down bitcoin!)

Nah, you're just defending her because she's hawt, is what this obviously is.

White knighting 

That thread is priceless.

haha.. because of course.. we click on female profiles before reading any of their posts 

She seems like the last person to need anyone white knighting for her.. either online or in person.

[elggawf]

That thread is pretty much an indication of everything that's wrong with Bitcoin's PR, and with these forums specifically.

I know of at least three small businesses that entertained the idea of accepting Bitcoin, until they looked at the political discussions on these forums. It's off-putting to many real business owners to read what people say here. They don't want to be associated with hard-libertarianism, tax evading or government conspiracy nuts. It's almost turned me off a few times myself - I don't want people to think I'm only associated with it to avoid paying taxes, I'm only associated with it because it's a cool technology and a cool experiment in human trust.

I was having a discussion with a fellow on IRC a few weeks back, because he's a full-tilt liberal and I'm a moderate with slightly-libertarian economic leanings... he brought up about how misogyny is so prevalent in the libertarian camp, and that thread just provided ample ammunition for his case. "I don't often give my respect to whores" indeed.

Maybe  it's time we brought back the Bitcoin PR thread and really put some work into educating people on this forum, because honestly I feel like we're driving real small businesses away with a lot of the bullshit here. It's hard enough to attract them anyway, we don't need to be pushing away everyone who's not an anacho-capitalist.

This forum is so full of people who want to believe with all their heart that Bitcoin can work (which is a good thing) that they automatically turn into yes-men for anything remotely Bitcoin related. I bet I could write a thread about a business to FedEx entire cars piece by piece for Bitcoins and I'd have more people telling me it could work than not - it's that bad. Anyone talking bad about my idea is automatically ousted by the community as a troll and we're on a freight-train of bullshit off into unknown territory while looking at a map that says "destination: profit".

Look at that thread: that's the sort of thing people from outside these forums are linking to, so that's how people who haven't heard of Bitcoins are seeing the project. Don't worry about the US government sabotaging Bitcoin, we're doing an awesome fuckin' job of that ourselves and it's not costing them a cent.

[shady financier]

She's excellent. Don't be confused by the idea she's a shill, or because she's a dominatrix, or that she's a hot female or this or this or that... all of that stuff is irrelevant and utterly beside the point.

When someone knows what they are talking about and has taken the time to point out a few things it is better to listen, and be thankful that there is no charge. Simple as that. I only wish I had the app-skills to take on some of the ideas Jessy suggested.

[shady financier]

That thread is pretty much an indication of everything that's wrong with Bitcoin's PR, and with these forums specifically.

I know of at least three small businesses that entertained the idea of accepting Bitcoin, until they looked at the political discussions on these forums. It's off-putting to many real business owners to read what people say here. They don't want to be associated with hard-libertarianism, tax evading or government conspiracy nuts. It's almost turned me off a few times myself - I don't want people to think I'm only associated with it to avoid paying taxes, I'm only associated with it because it's a cool technology and a cool experiment in human trust.

I was having a discussion with a fellow on IRC a few weeks back, because he's a full-tilt liberal and I'm a moderate with slightly-libertarian economic leanings... he brought up about how misogyny is so prevalent in the libertarian camp, and that thread just provided ample ammunition for his case. "I don't often give my respect to whores" indeed.

I agree, mind you Mises and his pals didn't consider women to have anything worth bringing to the world other than their uterus's anyway. Libertarians are generally pretty misogynistic in my experience, they strike me as basically radical ultra-conservative in outlook, with private patriarchal power front and center over and above all over considerations, although this is never put in those specific terms.

I've often been put off from bitcoin by the dark undertone of bat-shit Randism that's so thick around here. Normal people giving the forum a look for the first time may easily dismiss the whole idea out of hand. The technology is a great idea but I worry it's biggest fans will eventually stove the things skull in with political vanity and rabid self-contradictory rants against Banksters, Keynes, Regulation, Fiat and Government.

[BitcoinPorn]

Look at that thread: that's the sort of thing people from outside these forums are linking to, so that's how people who haven't heard of Bitcoins are seeing the project. Don't worry about the US government sabotaging Bitcoin, we're doing an awesome fuckin' job of that ourselves and it's not costing them a cent.

This.   So much focus on the wrong things in that thread.  So amusing how it was made, was linked to in Reddit, and now it is back here on the forums as Bitcoin Discussion, talk about not letting shit go lol

Everyone thinks Vegetta is not going about his site the right way, he has advice, he did not take well to it, fuck it, let it go, this thread and possibly that reddit submission definitely did not help all this shit (but I understand people like picking on people online, sucks if it has real effects that hinder other business' from progressing with Bitcoin)

[Lupus_Yonderboy]

That thread is epic, no idea how I missed that. Jessy is awesome and unlike many around here, actually has a clue about running a business in the real world. Vegetta should've paid her for all the great advice she was giving away in that thread.

That thread is pretty much an indication of everything that's wrong with Bitcoin's PR, and with these forums specifically.

I know of at least three small businesses that entertained the idea of accepting Bitcoin, until they looked at the political discussions on these forums. It's off-putting to many real business owners to read what people say here. They don't want to be associated with hard-libertarianism, tax evading or government conspiracy nuts. It's almost turned me off a few times myself - I don't want people to think I'm only associated with it to avoid paying taxes, I'm only associated with it because it's a cool technology and a cool experiment in human trust.

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Look at that thread: that's the sort of thing people from outside these forums are linking to, so that's how people who haven't heard of Bitcoins are seeing the project. Don't worry about the US government sabotaging Bitcoin, we're doing an awesome fuckin' job of that ourselves and it's not costing them a cent.

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[BitcoinPorn]

Vegetta should've paid her for all the great advice she was giving away in that thread.

At the least he should have been sent a bill for the unnecessary repeated verbal lashings, shit ain't cheap in that market (then again it is a lot of business owners who like that).

[LeFBI]

Vegetta moved to my "ignore this" list around here

Ignoring every good advice he got and running a most likely illegal adult VOD site/server from your home line....sure sounds like a good idea, if you don't care about laws or TOS of your ISP. Accepting Bitcoins on legal pornsites isn't a good idea yet simply because you can't verify the age of the users you are selling the content to. But who cares about the laws if you have the bandwith to sell girls on webcams for bitcoins to an underage audience from your basement :)

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[BubbleBoy]

Ah, women on the internet: the drama will never end.

The lol here is how every (presumably male) Reddit reader jumps in the defence of poor Jessy, while it's obvious that she did not need any help and she practically moped the floor with that poor retarded kid. I must strike some balance: leave "special" bitcoiners alone, bitch !

[elggawf]

Vegetta moved to my "ignore this" list around here

Yeah, the fact that he even remotely thinks it's an option to host it at home should send anyone competent running in the opposite direction.

Ah, women on the internet: the drama will never end.

Proving yet again that anyone foolhardy enough to identify themselves as female on this forum does so at their own risk. I swear it's like a good portion of the loudmouths here found Bitcoin from /b/ or something.

The lol here is how every (presumably male) Reddit reader jumps in the defence of poor Jessy, while it's obvious that she did not need any help and she practically moped the floor with that poor retarded kid. I must strike some balance: leave "special" bitcoiners alone, bitch !

Really? I participated in that thread, and I feel I did no such thing. In fact there are plenty of comments in the Reddit thread, this thread, and the original thread to the tune that if you could shut the fuck up about her lack of a Y chromosome and listen for two seconds you'd realize she's giving reasonably sound business advice.

It's just a common theme on these forums though - to hell with listening to people critique, to self-analyze and figure out how we can grow and improve as a community to attract new business. "You're a troll. You're a whore. I shouldn't be listening to you."

[airdata]

Can somebody give me a quick breakdown of the demographic that visits Reddit?

I don't find any of their articles to be productive nor the comments from ignorant people.

[elggawf]

Can somebody give me a quick breakdown of the demographic that visits Reddit?

I don't find any of their articles to be productive nor the comments from ignorant people.

For the most part it's a very liberal site, though once you get outside the usual circle-jerk subreddits, it's quite balanced and occasionally a fairly rational conversation from both sides. /r/Guns and a few others are quite right-leaning.

Broadly: It's mostly the types of people who want to look at funny pictures but are put off by wading through the filth that is /b/.