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[BitcoinPorn]

Can somebody give me a quick breakdown of the demographic that visits Reddit?

I don't find any of their articles to be productive nor the comments from ignorant people.

reddit > bitcoin.org.  Never forget.

[airdata]

Can somebody give me a quick breakdown of the demographic that visits Reddit?

I don't find any of their articles to be productive nor the comments from ignorant people.

reddit > bitcoin.org.  Never forget.

idk about that.

Can I take this time to make a quick suggestion?  Your website is a bit of a tease.  Anybody can find random xxx images on the internet.  How about some nerdy bitcoin girls on live cams?

[BitcoinPorn]

idk about that.

Can I take this time to make a quick suggestion?  Your website is a bit of a tease.  Anybody can find random xxx images on the internet.  How about some nerdy bitcoin girls on live cams?

Believe it or not, not everyone can find random xxx images on the internet, my site does more than fine   It was created as proof of concept using the Java Mining with me throwing in two Bitcoin related things a day, about, and so far it has legs of it's own, so I have no desire to go down any cam site path (and if I did, I assure you it wouldn't be started on any forum lol).

[theymos]

Jessy Kang has posted some very trollish posts in the past, so I don't blame people for taking her words with a grain of salt. In this case, though, she does make many good points.

This is why serious exchanges of ideas are best done on anonymous boards: neither reputation nor authority get in the way of ideas. Maybe in the future I'll add an anonymous section to the forum.

[BitcoinPorn]

This is why serious exchanges of ideas are best done on anonymous boards: neither reputation nor authority get in the way of ideas. Maybe in the future I'll add an anonymous section to the forum.

Sigh.  It sucks it would have to come to that.  I already notice the mass amount of hand on modding going on, it will be sad if there is a forum set up just so people can act rude and childish to each other

[julz]

Jessy Kang has posted some very trollish posts in the past, so I don't blame people for taking her words with a grain of salt. In this case, though, she does make many good points.

This is why serious exchanges of ideas are best done on anonymous boards: neither reputation nor authority get in the way of ideas. Maybe in the future I'll add an anonymous section to the forum.

As another potential merchant interested in bitcoin (as well as interested in implementing bitcoin in a certain closed source shopping cart system used by merchants) I found her posts very enlightening.
I've read them all - except those that apparently were deleted by mods.

Please post evidence of her 'Trollish' posts.  Right now I'm taking *your* words with more than a grain of salt.
Evidence...  please.

[Shinobi]

Libertarians are generally pretty misogynistic in my experience, they strike me as basically radical ultra-conservative in outlook, with private patriarchal power front and center over and above all over considerations, although this is never put in those specific terms.

Because the "philosophy" is just a fancy rebranding of the adolescent angst of (sometimes wealthy, and almost always white) misanthropes. Granted, many of these so-called "Libertarians" are in their 30s and 40s but, for one reason of another, never were able to advance beyond seeing the world in a teenage-level complexity.

Elggawf makes a very powerful point, something I myself have felt but have been unable to articulate as nicely. When you think about it, the Libertarian bent is a completely logical result. Bitcoin is nothing but a chance for folks of *precisely the same greed* as those who control and manipulate the existing monetary system, but weren't fortunate enough to be born into the inner circle and now chew on sour grapes as their primary hobby, to have their turn being at the front of the Ponzi scheme. You can see it right here in these forums. The kinds of things said in here in response to someone having had their money stolen - variations on "tough-luck-its-your-fault" - is no different than what the real economic rulers say to all of the "libertarian" on a daily basis, though not in such crass form.

The irony of it all is that all these gun-tootin' cowboys who long for 1849 again, choose to make use of their "decentralized, establishment threatening" coins for no real other purpose than speculating in a centralized market. This itself should clue bystanders as to what's really on the long-term for Bitcoin.

[BitcoinPorn]

julz to the rescue!

Though it's all over, it's never too late to help a lady in distress

[julz]

julz to the rescue!

Though it's all over, it's never too late to help a lady in distress

Cute image.. but this focus on the fact that the particular writer is female is tedious.

[BitcoinPorn]

Cute image.. but this focus on the fact that the particular writer is female is tedious.

And irrelevant to the situation directly

But facts are facts, if she didn't possibly have a vagina, she would not have had the same amount of support from random internet people.  And I assure you 100% things would not have gone on this long just because Vegetta whines?  I know for a fact no one gives a shit about some guy starting a porn cam site whining to someone else online.  But I bet if that person is a female and she is being attacked verbally, well, it is the manly thing to do, type about the subject until it's over, then create more and more threads about it (like your other one)

Now that we are not talking about whatever the subject is, can we do that now?   What is the topic?  Why does anyone care about Vegetta and King?   Why is this Bitcoin discussion?  I'm lost at this point how this came back up as something other than an amusing thread, which it was

[Chris Acheson]

This is why serious exchanges of ideas are best done on anonymous boards: neither reputation nor authority get in the way of ideas. Maybe in the future I'll add an anonymous section to the forum.

Great idea.  This place isn't enough of a cesspool, let's make it even more like 4chan.

[AtlasONo]

Vegetta and his deaf ears represent a lot of what is wrong with the bit community his ignorance is stunning and HILARIOUS that's why this has so much attention.

This has nothing to do with her being a woman an it wasn't even immediately obvious she was a woman just someone offering sound advice. You're the only one making ANYTHING of her being female.

Agreeing with a woman does not a white knight make. The lady is NOT in distress. Now if everyone lampooned you for making dom jokes that would possibly be a different story.

[elggawf]

But facts are facts, if she didn't possibly have a vagina, she would not have had the same amount of support from random internet people.  And I assure you 100% things would not have gone on this long just because Vegetta whines?  I know for a fact no one gives a shit about some guy starting a porn cam site whining to someone else online.  But I bet if that person is a female and she is being attacked verbally, well, it is the manly thing to do, type about the subject until it's over, then create more and more threads about it (like your other one)

Swing and a miss: You're missing every point I've been trying to make completely.

My point was female or no, most of what I've read from her has been well rounded perspective from a business owner attempting to integrate Bitcoin. I personally would have supported the things she's said even if she weren't female.. and yes, the discussion (for me anyway) is about koolaid-drinkin' Bitcoiners who sit in their own political and economic circle-jerks and are cutting the throat of the very economy they're allegedly trying to build. So it most certainly would have gone on this long if the main detractor in that thread wasn't female.

Everyone being a yes-man to every hair-brained business idea is not constructive - constructive criticism is. Look in the exchange threads, there's people who are experienced traders on other markets asking why our markets don't do this this or this, and the response is something along the lines of "waagh why can't everything go my way". Fuck that shit - to me the greatest strengths of some of these exchanges is that an idea is put out there and they listen. That's constructive!

Everyone jacking off to the same Randian philosophies that alienate much of the internet is not constructive to building an economy. When you say shit like "taxation is slavery" and "fuck off parasite" you alienate huge swaths of people who might really have something to bring to the economy and the only people you attract in return are the "damn gubmint ain't takin muh riches" types who guess what: through the very conditioning that led them to the situation they're in, are most likely more into precious metals than they would be Bitcoin anyway. Even if they do convert some of their holdings to BTC, all they do is give the economy value in the form of it's ability to exchange for fiat currencies - not for goods and services like everyone is hoping for. Show of hands everyone who gives a shit about fiat currencies in the long term? I didn't think so.

We've had a massive PR problem for ages now: we look like kooks. Most people don't make the connection that the value in most everything we consider valuable is actually perceived (read: imaginary) value - all they see is us trading "imaginary money" that we make out of thin air. To get over that perception issue the rest of our act has to be rational, to show people that hey... this just might work. This community appears anything but rational the vast majority of the time.

[BitcoinPorn]

So it most certainly would have gone on this long if the main detractor in that thread wasn't female.

And that is where our views will differ, being there from the start of that thread, I assure you, it sadly plays a part.  It won't be shown in text, but in actions.  People mull over bullshit, but when a female is involved, that is the only time it would go on this long over...   

An inexperienced web developer attempting to get into an industry he is not familiar with, gets advice from someone in that industry, said advice is sound but does not apply to someone who has little to no business sense (Vegetta).  In this case that someone getting advice bites back every time harshly worded advice is given.  The thread would have started and stopped there if this was just a usual case.

I see this particular situation is being used as an example for other issues with the forums, that is fine, but so far it seems to only come back up when referencing how righter King is than that wronger Vegetta.

[AtlasONo]

Because he is so wrong and so ignorant it is hilarious "I will be honest, I didn't understand half the stuff you said. Most of it was irrelevant,"

[julz]

Because he is so wrong and so ignorant it is hilarious "I will be honest, I didn't understand half the stuff you said. Most of it was irrelevant,"

This!

And bitcoinporn's response where he shows he also didn't grasp the relevance of the advice on offer.

Jessy isn't wrong in his thinking, his thinking I do not believe applies to this project.

Once bitcoinporn discovered he was a she..   he seems to have fixated on 'female' & 'BDSM'.
I still doubt he's read the actual content.. because he continues to use the gender of the poster as some sort of excuse for why it's all overblown.

Its the CONTENT ******.

[BitcoinPorn]

And bitcoinporn's response where he shows he also didn't grasp the relevance of the advice on offer.

Jessy isn't wrong in his thinking, his thinking I do not believe applies to this project.

Once bitcoinporn discovered he was a she..   he seems to have fixated on 'female' & 'BDSM'.
I still doubt he's read the actual content.. because he continues to use the gender of the poster as some sort of excuse for why it's all overblown.

Its the CONTENT ******.

Sir (or ma'am! lol), you just proved my whole theory that it is because she is a female that it keeps coming back up again

Her advice still was not relevant to how he was starting his site up (I mean, from the initial concept as a thread on a forum, you should know that he is not going about this through conventional measures, and I am sure with Jesss' experience, she would recognize that, and she does, but she chooses to belittle when she attempt to educate).

Would this all be talked about if Jesse was a dude?   .. I assure you, not for this long in this many threads, no one gives a shit, and it's proven by half the posts discussion the topic at hand, are not even discussing the topic

[AtlasONo]

I still doubt he's read the actual content.. because he continues to use the gender of the poster as some sort of excuse for why it's all overblown.

Its the CONTENT ******.

Funny you should say that...  http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/imfa5/op_wants_to_open_a_porn_site_with_bitcoins_but/c252tpb?context=3

bitcoinporn:"I stick by my story sampson Simpson, all parties in that thread are in the wrong, it was making me laugh then and though I haven't read the thread the fact that it has become a post on reddit amuses me now."

Time to ignore him, however hard that may be.

[theymos]

Sigh.  It sucks it would have to come to that.  I already notice the mass amount of hand on modding going on, it will be sad if there is a forum set up just so people can act rude and childish to each other

Great idea.  This place isn't enough of a cesspool, let's make it even more like 4chan.

Anonymity does not necessitate a lack of moderation. Those sections of 4chan that are actually moderated are excellent places for discussion. I found out about Bitcoin from a 4chan post.

Please post evidence of her 'Trollish' posts.

She strongly advocates an uncensored board...

The advantages of having an open forum with censorship limited to true spam, IMHO overrides the inconvenience of some posters having to scroll down the page a little bit.

...and then she wants to get rid of the politics forum.

This kind of inflammatory language is very trollish:

What side are you on? Are you TRYING to sink Bitcoin?

Excessively criticizing the board as Jessy Kang does is a big red flag, as is constantly using your own offline "qualifications" to back up your arguments.

Like I said, though, while she sounds trollish, I don't believe she is a troll. None of her posts have ever been individually deleted.

[Shinobi]

We've had a massive PR problem for ages now: we look like kooks. Most people don't make the connection that the value in most everything we consider valuable is actually perceived (read: imaginary) value - all they see is us trading "imaginary money" that we make out of thin air. To get over that perception issue the rest of our act has to be rational, to show people that hey... this just might work. This community appears anything but rational the vast majority of the time.

I'm impressed that you see exactly what's going on, but then somehow believe that its simply a PR issue? As I really like what you have written I'd appreciate you letting me know if I'm missing something - I've spent the past month and half going from being really excited about Bitcoin as an elegant technical triumph (and something fun to follow) to realizing that participating in Bitcoin largely means having to mingle in mud with "Shut da gubment down!" armchair economists and other fringe types who've read enough to spit out libertarian platitudes, buzzwords like "fractional reserve banking" and "fiat" (in almost every damn sentence), but don't make much sense. Clearly this isn't everyone, and there are many folks on here far smarter than me, but - and this is what bothers me - there are an awful lot that don't seem to be. When I think of the face of Bitcoin I can't help but visualize an angry Uncle Jesse from the Dukes of Hazzard with an added slackjaw and lazy eye. And if, as someone who came here with earnest interest, I do, I am pretty darn sure that that the uninitiated will too.