BF Labs Inc. caught red-handed lying!

[PuertoLibre]

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/255-thursday-july-25-2013-shipping-update.html

by BFL_Jody  , 07-25-2013 at 07:51 PM (4819 Views)

We are no longer taking pre-orders. Since we have fully-tested products, we are taking ORDERS.

Three weeks later, guess what? Can you spell Monarch?

I'm not going to threaten ignores or insult, but three weeks ago, Jody was referring to their product line as it stood then. They then announced a new product, of which, yes, they are taking pre-orders. Just like nearly every other ASIC producer out there. That's not a lie, and not at all shocking, despite the headline you chose to give it.

More appropriate headline would have been far less sensationalistic "BFL accepting pre-orders on newly designed product". But then, there are already several threads about the Monarch.

I have no idea of what you're in reference to, for it seems to me to be a standalone statement.

Here's the complete text: (formated poorly)

BFL_Jody
Thursday, July 25, 2013 Shipping Update
Rating: 10 votes, 2.00 average.
70 Comments
by BFL_Jody  , 07-25-2013 at 07:51 PM (4826 Views)
Jalapenos shipping through November 9 paydate

Little Singles: none shipped today (today I should be a coward and turn off comments, because although it's not my fault they haven't made Little Single boards, you will pummel me with your comments for it.) Little Singles are still ahead of Singles and MiniRigs, though.

Singles: It seems we have only 4 more orders left for June 23, but still no PSU's so I can't ship those orders yet. So we shipped orders from June 23 and June 24, 2012 which were able to accept units without PSU's. Thanks again for emailing your willingness to accept units without PSU's. It makes sending orders to production so much faster. I don't answer those emails--I archive them in a folder for reference as I'm sending the orders. If your order comes up and I don't see an email from you about the PSU's I will email you, so don't worry about whether I got it.

MiniRigs from June 23 shipped.

Response to Comments:

I did not hire Josh and I do not work for Josh. We are equals in he company even though he is way smarter than I am (in some things). Did you know he can speak Korean and can make BTC Miners light up like toys?

We are no longer taking pre-orders. Since we have fully-tested products, we are taking ORDERS.

I am asking about the BitSafe wallet myself. Thank God we don't have pre-orders for those.

Yes, at that point in time, she was clearly referring to Jalapeno's, LIttle Singles, Singles and Mini-Rigs. Monarch was not announced yet.

Preorder means ordering something that does not yet exist. The first four do exist. They're shipping (not as fast as people would like, but it can't be denied that they're shipping), hence people sending money for those are making orders.

Two or three weeks later, they announced the Monarch. A product which is not shipping yet, but for which you can send money to get in line for when they do ship (pre-orders).

Seems clear. She was just referring to the status of BFL at that point in time, and that point in time only.

Lucas, your argument is sound and well-crafted.

In reference to your last sentence, for the past ~10 months, I've been asking Josh about the FCC cert. process. All the questions I've ever asked were relatively clear, but the one time I reword the question incorrectly, Josh addresses the screen aspect with a link to a Nexus 7 approval PDF on the FCC site. He knew full well what I, among others asking, was in reference to, yet opted to take advantage of the situation.

I, and over a dozen of us (secretly), are now on a mission to bring these motherfuckers down. ANYBODY, still having an order late in the queue position best do your best to get your money out ASAP.

I promise, folks, it's about to get ugly. And there's only one way to stop me. I live at...

Bruno Kucinskas
406 W. Center St.
Sandwich, IL  60548

815-508-1668

GAME ON!

To me this says you are the asshole.  Why go after a company before they can provide products to the other customers that ordered?  If your crusade manages to damage their operation before I and the folks who ordered around me are able to receive our hardware, that makes you the POS who kept whining until the company had to respond.

Go grab a posterboard and picket their operation if it is so important to you.

You sound worried. Simply ignore the truth of the matter and put it out of mind like your own BFL orders.

Besides, you make it sound like BFL main threat is from PG. Have you noticed the multitude of people talking to lawyers about BFL not delivering in a timely and reasonable manner? You should worry about them instead. Those are most likely to impact their operations.

[k9quaint]

To me this says you are the asshole.  Why go after a company before they can provide products to the other customers that ordered?  If your crusade manages to damage their operation before I and the folks who ordered around me are able to receive our hardware, that makes you the POS who kept whining until the company had to respond.

I don't think it is very fair of you to ask that others put their money into a Ponzi scheme so that you can get your money out.

[crazyates]

Yep, nothing in this pic (taken from their website) could possibly indicate that their new product line (revealed after Jody said that comment about their current line) is a pre-order. 

[PuertoLibre]

Yep, nothing in this pic (taken from their website) could possibly indicate that their new product line (revealed after Jody said that comment about their current line) is a pre-order.  

Theres no copper on them' PCI-e lanes! It's CGI!?

[crazyates]

Yep, nothing in this pic (taken from their website) could possibly indicate that their new product line (revealed after Jody said that comment about their current line) is a pre-order.  

Theres no copper on them' PCI-e lanes! It's CGI!?

I referring to the giant orange "PRE-ORDER" button.

[bcp19]

if I were to consider anybody to be put on such a list, I wouldn't threaten them first--I would just do it.

I never miss a chance to say this: I think it's counter productive, as you have to look at the red hot Ignored posters and say "are they really worthy of ignoring? Are they getting trolled with lots of undeserved ignores?". It doesn't help when some people with long time pulsating Ignore buttons spend a lot of effort to become trusted again, only to spend their trust on playing trollish games again.

Simple troll repellent mechanism: ignore posts, not posters. Pressing ignore just encourages more gamesmanship.

Very profound statement sir.  I applaud you.

While I am probably ignored by quite a few, I personally think it is funny.  Now, please understand I do not mean funny from a trolls prespective, but rather that if they have been turned off by what I have said in the past and have ignored me, then they will miss the gems as well as any posts I make that are of real substance unless someone they haven't ignored quotes it.  I know there are certain people that when I got their hate posts, I responded with whatever whimsy crossed my mind, and having set that stardard, every subsequent post to them carries that same whimsy.  Without taking the time to fully read ALL of my posts, you actually miss out on a lot.  I often make fun of myself more than I do others, but I've only run across 2 or 3 people who have picked up on it.

I am happy, healthy and secure in my life.  For me, that is all that matters.

[Syke]

http://products.butterflylabs.com

Order Terms: Bitforce SC (ASIC) products are shipped according to placement in the order queue

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/310-monday-august-26-2013-shipping-upgrade.html

Monday, August 26, 2013 Shipping Upgrade
    Jalapenos: Feb 2, 2013
    Little Singles: Oct. 11, 2012 pay date No LS shipped today
    Singles: July 15, 2012 pay date
    MiniRigs: MiniRigs for June 25 (2nd 500gh/s unit) and July 28 for 1st 500 gh/s

Products actually shipped far out of order. The order queue is a lie.

[bcp19]

http://products.butterflylabs.com

Order Terms: Bitforce SC (ASIC) products are shipped according to placement in the order queue

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/310-monday-august-26-2013-shipping-upgrade.html

Monday, August 26, 2013 Shipping Upgrade
    Jalapenos: Feb 2, 2013
    Little Singles: Oct. 11, 2012 pay date No LS shipped today
    Singles: July 15, 2012 pay date
    MiniRigs: MiniRigs for June 25 (2nd 500gh/s unit) and July 28 for 1st 500 gh/s

Products actually shipped far out of order. The order queue is a lie.

They shipped Jala's for almost 2 months before shipping other stuff.  You feel they should have just sat on the Jala product they could ship?

[Syke]

They shipped Jala's for almost 2 months before shipping other stuff.  You feel they should have just sat on the Jala product they could ship?

That's what they promised, so yes, they should have sat on them. Don't promise what you won't deliver. In fact, they're still promising it, and they're still not doing it. LIES.

[lucasjkr]

They shipped Jala's for almost 2 months before shipping other stuff.  You feel they should have just sat on the Jala product they could ship?

That's what they promised, so yes, they should have sat on them. Don't promise what you won't deliver. In fact, they're still promising it, and they're still not doing it. LIES.

Each product is its' own product.

You order a Jalapeno, you're in the jalapeno queue... Order a single, and you're in the single queue... If they run out of cases and power supplies for one product line, it shouldnt' hold up the other lines.

Of course jalapenos' are going to go faster... they only need one chip to be soldered in place, one heatsink, etc. Compare that with effort to get a minirig out the door, of course the jalapeno line will move faster. And it'd be terrible for production if each station had to be reconfgured based on what product came up in the queue as each worker completed their task.

It is hindsight, so it wasn't obvious. But seeing how things played out, it's understandable. Disappointing for many, I'm sure, but at least its understandable.

[bcp19]

They shipped Jala's for almost 2 months before shipping other stuff.  You feel they should have just sat on the Jala product they could ship?

That's what they promised, so yes, they should have sat on them. Don't promise what you won't deliver. In fact, they're still promising it, and they're still not doing it. LIES.

Remind me NEVER to do business with you.  Screw ALL the customers to satisfy a few.

[Syke]

They shipped Jala's for almost 2 months before shipping other stuff.  You feel they should have just sat on the Jala product they could ship?

That's what they promised, so yes, they should have sat on them. Don't promise what you won't deliver. In fact, they're still promising it, and they're still not doing it. LIES.

Each product is its' own product. You order a Jalapeno, you're in the jalapeno queue.

FALSE. "the order queue". There is one queue. All orders go into it. This is also proved by BFL claiming that upgrading an order, such as a Jalapeno to a Little Single, would not change the position of the order in the queue. They are lying about the order queue to this day.

It is hindsight, so it wasn't obvious. But seeing how things played out, it's understandable. Disappointing for many, I'm sure, but at least its understandable.

What hindsight? Those quotes are from BFL's website today.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

They shipped Jala's for almost 2 months before shipping other stuff.  You feel they should have just sat on the Jala product they could ship?

That's what they promised, so yes, they should have sat on them. Don't promise what you won't deliver. In fact, they're still promising it, and they're still not doing it. LIES.

Said the guy that I just proved to, showing that Josh/BFL lies.

Oh?  Care to provide a single shred of proof that I've lied?  There's not a single person here that's been able to back up this claim, yet I've demonstrated it through your own posts multiple times that you're a liar.

[Xian01]

Said the guy that I just proved to, showing that Josh/BFL lies.

Oh?  Care to provide a single shred of proof that I've lied?  There's not a single person here that's been able to back up this claim, yet I've demonstrated it through your own posts multiple times that you're a liar.

"We'll be shipping in October, 2012"
"We'll be shipping in November, 2012"
"We'll be shipping in December, 2012"
"We'll be shipping in January, 2013"
"We'll be shipping in February, 2013"
"We'll be shipping in March, 2013"

...

[PuertoLibre]

Said the guy that I just proved to, showing that Josh/BFL lies.

Oh?  Care to provide a single shred of proof that I've lied?  There's not a single person here that's been able to back up this claim, yet I've demonstrated it through your own posts multiple times that you're a liar.

"We'll be shipping in October, 2012"
"We'll be shipping in November, 2012"
"We'll be shipping in December, 2012"
"We'll be shipping in January, 2013"
"We'll be shipping in February, 2013"
"We'll be shipping in March, 2013"

...

@ Xian

Lets try to piece together the timeline of delays for BFL to date.

Let us go back to September 2012....

I recall I had a list written down once, but a Mod deleted it.

[PuertoLibre]

Blast from the past.

Today is Feb 6th.

The worst case ship date (to date) has been pushed back some.

From Late October.
To Early November.
Then Late November.
Then Early December.
Then December 10th 2012.
Then add 30 days till January 10th 2013.
At January 10th Add another 30 days to February 10th 2013.
Now add push back the date 8 more days, to February 18th 2013.

Latest push is to add 3 or 4 days on top of that to the 22nd.

-------------------------
Coins the term "Inflationary Delays®"
-------------------------

Don't worry, BFL customer took _75 Days_ extra like a champ when BFL customers were tired of waiting on December the 10th. Whats a few more days? Imagine if you had been told on December 10th that the chips wouldn't be ready until 75 days later? What would you have done?

It's a good way to retain the status quo.

March 2013, here we come. Be of good cheer. We Avalon customers are still waiting on ours.

(see how I inserted that jab for equalizations sake?)

If only I knew then, what I know now. 75 days was a cakewalk.

There are 90%~ of BFL customers who are still waiting even now....today is August 27th 2013. Holy shit!

[Phinnaeus Gage]

BFL Fanbois: *Consider yourself in Contempt!*

Camp Lugan: *Josh Zerlan, did BFL submit their product line to the FCC?*

BFL Fanfois: BFL's miner don't need to be FCC certified! Don't answer the question, Josh. It's a trap!

Josh Zerlan: I'll answer the question!

[to Phinnaeus Gage]

Josh Zerlan: You want answers?

Phinnaeus Gage: I think us monumental assholes are entitled to.

Josh Zerlan: *You want answers?*

Phinnaeus Gage: *We want the truth!*

Josh Zerlan: *You can't handle the truth!*
[pauses, to wipe the jeez from his chin]

Josh Zerlan: Sonny lived in a room that had walls, and one of those walls had bars guarded by men with guns. Who else has been there? You? You, PL? You, K9? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for those who've ordered or yet to order, and you curse BF Labs Inc. You have that luxury here on BitcoinTalk. You have the luxury of not blowing what I blow. Those that ordered, while tragic, probably would have wasted their disposable income on some useless product or service. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, directs that money to Butterfly Labs. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about in your panties, you want me to con moneys from them fools, you need me to con moneys from them fools. We use words like "in two weeks", "making hardware is hard", "we never lie". We use these words as the backbone of BF Labs Inc. You use them as a punchline. We have neither the time nor the inclination to explain ourselves to monumental assholes who rises and sleeps under the blanket of BFL trying to protect the Bitcoin network, and then questions the manner in which we try to do such. We would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a phone and call the FCC, the FTC, the FBI, the IRS, the CIA... Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.

Phinnaeus Gage: Josh Zerlan, did BFL submit their product line to the FCC?*

Josh Zerlan: I said what I was paid for to say, I...

Phinnaeus Gage: *Josh Zerlan, did BFL submit their product line to the FCC?*

Josh Zerlan: *You're Goddamn right they did!* *Provides link.* https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=132722&fcc_id='MSQME370T'

...

Josh Zerlan: [contemptuously] You monumental assholes... you have no idea how to build ASIC-based miners. All you did was weaken a company today, Phinn. That's all you did. You put our profits in danger. Sweet dreams, sonny.

Phinnaeus Gage: Don't call me Sonny. I'm a hero member of BitcoinTalk with the highest post count, and you're a son of a bitch with jeez on your chin. You've been served!

[bcp19]

BFL Fanbois: *Consider yourself in Contempt!*

Camp Lugan: *Josh Zerlan, did BFL submit their product line to the FCC?*

BFL Fanfois: BFL's miner don't need to be FCC certified! Don't answer the question, Josh. It's a trap!

Josh Zerlan: I'll answer the question!

[to Phinnaeus Gage]

Josh Zerlan: You want answers?

Phinnaeus Gage: I think us monumental assholes are entitled to.

Josh Zerlan: *You want answers?*

Phinnaeus Gage: *We want the truth!*

Josh Zerlan: *You can't handle the truth!*
[pauses, to wipe the jeez from his chin]

Josh Zerlan: Sonny lived in a room that had walls, and one of those walls had bars guarded by men with guns. Who else has been there? You? You, PL? You, K9? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for those who've ordered or yet to order, and you curse BF Labs Inc. You have that luxury here on BitcoinTalk. You have the luxury of not blowing what I blow. Those that ordered, while tragic, probably would have wasted their disposable income on some useless product or service. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, directs that money to Butterfly Labs. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about in your panties, you want me to con moneys from them fools, you need me to con moneys from them fools. We use words like "in two weeks", "making hardware is hard", "we never lie". We use these words as the backbone of BF Labs Inc. You use them as a punchline. We have neither the time nor the inclination to explain ourselves to monumental assholes who rises and sleeps under the blanket of BFL trying to protect the Bitcoin network, and then questions the manner in which we try to do such. We would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a phone and call the FCC, the FTC, the FBI, the IRS, the CIA... Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.

Phinnaeus Gage: Josh Zerlan, did BFL submit their product line to the FCC?*

Josh Zerlan: I said what I was paid for to say, I...

Phinnaeus Gage: *Josh Zerlan, did BFL submit the screen to the FCC?*

Josh Zerlan: *You're Goddamn right they did!* *Provides link.* https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=132722&fcc_id='MSQME370T'

...

Josh Zerlan: [contemptuously] You monumental assholes... you have no idea how to build ASIC-based miners. All you did was weaken a company today, Phinn. That's all you did. You put our profits in danger. Sweet dreams, sonny.

Phinnaeus Gage: Don't call me Sonny. I'm a hero member of BitcoinTalk with the highest post count, and you're a son of a bitch with jeez on your chin. You've been served!

Edited for accuracy.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

I accept the revision.

BFL Fanbois: *Consider yourself in Contempt!*

Camp Lugan: *Josh Zerlan, did BFL submit their product line to the FCC?*

BFL Fanfois: BFL's miner don't need to be FCC certified! Don't answer the question, Josh. It's a trap!

Josh Zerlan: I'll answer the question!

[to Phinnaeus Gage]

Josh Zerlan: You want answers?

Phinnaeus Gage: I think us monumental assholes are entitled to.

Josh Zerlan: *You want answers?*

Phinnaeus Gage: *We want the truth!*

Josh Zerlan: *You can't handle the truth!*
[pauses, to wipe the jeez from his chin]

Josh Zerlan: Sonny lived in a room that had walls, and one of those walls had bars guarded by men with guns. Who else has been there? You? You, PL? You, K9? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for those who've ordered or yet to order, then you curse BF Labs Inc. You have that luxury here on BitcoinTalk. You have the luxury of not blowing who I blow. Those that ordered, while tragic, probably would have wasted their disposable income on some useless product or service. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, directs that money to Butterfly Labs. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about in your panties, you want me to con moneys from them fools, you need me to con moneys from them fools. We use words like "in two weeks", "making hardware is hard", "we never lie". We use these words as the backbone of BF Labs Inc. You use them as a punchline. We have neither the time nor the inclination to explain ourselves to monumental assholes who rises and sleeps under the blanket of BFL trying to protect the Bitcoin network, and then questions the manner in which we try to do such. We would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a phone and call the FCC, the FTC, the FBI, the IRS, the CIA... Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.

Phinnaeus Gage: Josh Zerlan, did BFL submit their product line to the FCC?*

Josh Zerlan: I said what I was paid for to say, I...

Phinnaeus Gage: *Josh Zerlan, did BFL submit the screen to the FCC?*

Josh Zerlan: *You're Goddamn right they did!* *Provides link.* https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=132722&fcc_id='MSQME370T'

...

Josh Zerlan: [contemptuously] You monumental assholes... you have no idea how to build ASIC-based Bitcoin miners. All you did was weaken a company today, Phinn. That's all you did. You put our profits in danger. Sweet dreams, sonny.

Phinnaeus Gage: Don't call me Sonny. I'm a hero member of BitcoinTalk with the highest post count, and you're a son of a bitch with jeez on your chin. You've been served!

Any more revision suggestions?

[Inaba]

Bruno, I don't know what sort of mental disorder you suffer from and frankly I don't really care. 

I'll tell you what, why don't you come to BFL and take a tour of the place, meet the people that work here and bear personal witness to the whole business?  You seem to be under some strange manic obsession that is unexplainable, so perhaps actually seeing the thing you are obsessed with will return your chemical balance to it's more  ... rational ... state?

I'm serious, I will cover your hotel bill and travel expenses, all you have to do is show up to the offices.  Feel free to bring a friend and/or a camera if it will make you feel better and you want to.  The only thing I ask is you try not to talk about cocks and "jezz" the entire time.

I suspect you'll elect not to take me up on this offer, because I believe you are purely an attention seeking sensationalist that has no real interest in the welfare of the community or the truth.  It's all about what kind of attention you can garner for yourself, isn't it?