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January 25, 2018, 06:38:59 AM
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I just need a user-friendly way to sweep bitcoins from a offline paper wallet onto the Blockchain, without having to expose your private key, whilst you are online. People can screen grab the private key or they can use key capturing or clipboard highjacking in Malware to steal your private key. ^grrrrrr^

Give us a offline method to scan the QR code for the private key and then to copy & paste that onto a application, linked to the Bitcoin address you want to sweep it to and then encrypt that before you go online. The moment you go online the app connects to the Blockchain and it decrypts the information and sweep the key.

The source code should be OpenSource and posted on Github with a signed message from the developer. No logs must be kept or information redirected.

Can this be done?

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January 25, 2018, 07:52:20 AM
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technically impossible.
The process of sweeping private keys involves a transaction in the blockchain.

I think what you meant was "importing" private keys.

But all in all, one time exposure of your paper wallet's private key means that you intended to spend its balance,
so there is no need for such security measure unless the wallet you're using is unsecured too.

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January 25, 2018, 08:36:29 AM
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technically impossible.
The process of sweeping private keys involves a transaction in the blockchain.

I think what you meant was "importing" private keys.

But all in all, one time exposure of your paper wallet's private key means that you intended to spend its balance,
so there is no need for such security measure unless the wallet you're using is unsecured too.

OP said that he wants to automatically sweep it as soon as he goes online, while having all the data encrypted, and I think the following program should work.

First, we need a digital camera to take a photo of QR code, then you connect it via USB to an offline machine, and decode the QR code from a photo to get the private key. Then you insert the address you want to sweep to, and the app creates a signed transaction with paper wallet's address as an input. Then you can transfer this signed transaction via USB or by scanning it's QR code on your phone, check that it is correct by some other software (Core, Electrum, etc.) and broadcast it.

But I'm not sure if this app is needed - it can be useful if someone is dealing with huge amounts of paper wallets, but if it's one-time only, then it's not a problem to do everything I've described step-by-step. Maybe it can be implemented as a feature in some wallet that already has a good cold storage functionality, like Electrum or Armory.

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January 25, 2018, 11:24:11 AM
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technically impossible.
The process of sweeping private keys involves a transaction in the blockchain.

I think what you meant was "importing" private keys.

But all in all, one time exposure of your paper wallet's private key means that you intended to spend its balance,
so there is no need for such security measure unless the wallet you're using is unsecured too.

No it is not impossible. The scanning and encryption of the private key is done offline, to protect it from the above mentioned dangers. Nobody can visually record or snoop  your session, if this is done offline. <If they found some way to remotely connect to your desktop>

The App will have to contain some software to convert the QR Code to text <which is basically impossible to find at the moment> and also a method to encrypt&decrypt the text, before it is validated on the Blockchain, when you go online again.

technically impossible.
The process of sweeping private keys involves a transaction in the blockchain.

I think what you meant was "importing" private keys.

But all in all, one time exposure of your paper wallet's private key means that you intended to spend its balance,
so there is no need for such security measure unless the wallet you're using is unsecured too.

OP said that he wants to automatically sweep it as soon as he goes online, while having all the data encrypted, and I think the following program should work.

First, we need a digital camera to take a photo of QR code, then you connect it via USB to an offline machine, and decode the QR code from a photo to get the private key. Then you insert the address you want to sweep to, and the app creates a signed transaction with paper wallet's address as an input. Then you can transfer this signed transaction via USB or by scanning it's QR code on your phone, check that it is correct by some other software (Core, Electrum, etc.) and broadcast it.

But I'm not sure if this app is needed - it can be useful if someone is dealing with huge amounts of paper wallets, but if it's one-time only, then it's not a problem to do everything I've described step-by-step. Maybe it can be implemented as a feature in some wallet that already has a good cold storage functionality, like Electrum or Armory.

The App will reduce the risk in doing this ONLINE. You cannot have a situation where you stored coins securely for years in a paper wallet and the moment you go online to sweep it, then it is gone.

Every time I have to sweep paper wallets, I get that tightness in my ass, because you never know who is looking over your shoulder.

My long-term strategy for cold storage require me to have multiple paper wallets with small quantities. I do not want to store all my eggs in one paper wallet and every time I want to sell, I have to sweep all my coins and expose my whole hoard/private key. It just make sense to have multiple paper wallets, if you want to store bitcoins for a long time, but sometimes you have a need to use some and then you only have to sweep 1 or 2.   

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January 25, 2018, 11:55:43 AM
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What you could do is to try to use tool such as: https://coinb.in/

I've been using it for quite some time and so far my keys are safe with me. What is coinb.in anyways? It is a website open-source that have basic functionality of signing an address and creating and managing transactions in general.

I use LIVE OS installed on my USB for this because every time I use this USB it is only existent in my RAM. Basically you want to boot up your live OS, download coinb.in pull the information about available inputs via some available block explorers out here and simply go offline after you get your inputs. Plugin other usb with your priv key or you can install software that can read QR from your camera codes before you even go offline and can read your private key this way. Sign a message with that private key and simply save your hex encoded bitcoin transaction either on your hard drive or plugin another USB so you can simply broadcast that hex later on.

I found this to be effective thing to do for me, might be a bit complicated but so far it have served me well.

I don't really see an other offline solution as you will still have to pull unspent inputs from somewhere.
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technically impossible.
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No it is not impossible. The scanning and encryption of the private key is done offline, to protect it from the above mentioned dangers. Nobody can visually record or snoop  your session, if this is done offline. <If they found some way to remotely connect to your desktop>

The App will have to contain some software to convert the QR Code to text <which is basically impossible to find at the moment> and also a method to encrypt&decrypt the text, before it is validated on the Blockchain, when you go online again.

The App will reduce the risk in doing this ONLINE. You cannot have a situation where you stored coins securely for years in a paper wallet and the moment you go online to sweep it, then it is gone.

Every time I have to sweep paper wallets, I get that tightness in my ass, because you never know who is looking over your shoulder.

My long-term strategy for cold storage require me to have multiple paper wallets with small quantities. I do not want to store all my eggs in one paper wallet and every time I want to sell, I have to sweep all my coins and expose my whole hoard/private key. It just make sense to have multiple paper wallets, if you want to store bitcoins for a long time, but sometimes you have a need to use some and then you only have to sweep 1 or 2.   


Of course your keys can be stolen even if you are offline- malware that exploits bugs like Meltdown and Spectre will just steal them from your memory as soon as they touch your system and then will send your keys and other valuable data to remote server as soon as you will go online. The only way to mitigate the possibility of this attack is to get a real cold storage - a separate machine that has never touched the Internet and will never touch.
Also, there's another point of failure with paper wallets - if you have generated them on some web page, their randomness might be weak, because Javascript can't generate cryptographically secure random numbers.

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January 25, 2018, 05:00:54 PM
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I just need a user-friendly way to sweep bitcoins from a offline paper wallet onto the Blockchain, without having to expose your private key, whilst you are online. ....

The bitcoins in the paper wallet are already on the blockchain. What you are asking is about moving the private key from a paper wallet to some kind of wallet that can be used for transactions.


You can create a transaction off line. Hence it is possible to never expose a private key to an online wallet.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=944915.0




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I just need a user-friendly way to sweep bitcoins from a offline paper wallet onto the Blockchain, without having to expose your private key, whilst you are online. ....

The bitcoins in the paper wallet are already on the blockchain. What you are asking is about moving the private key from a paper wallet to some kind of wallet that can be used for transactions.


You can create a transaction off line. Hence it is possible to never expose a private key to an online wallet.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=944915.0






It only makes sense to me that a Paper wallet is meant to be created offline <Air-gapped computer> to increase the security and therefore it makes further sense that the Sweep/Import option should also be done offline first and then encrypted before you go online again.

The automated Encryption and Decryption of the Private key <from text> to import/sweep the wallet, would reduce the risk of the private key being compromised during the process to sweep/import these wallets, when you go online.

Offline
Step 1 - Scan QR code on Paper wallet and retrieve the Private key
Step 2 - Insert Private key into App
Step 3 - App Encrypt Private key <not recognised as text>
Step 4 - Insert Bitcoin Address where coins will be swept to

Online
Step 5 - Go online <Enable Wifi or plug in data cable>
Step 6 - App still running, Click on "Sweep Paper Wallet"
Step 7 - Application automatically decrypt the Private key and sweep the coins from the paper wallet onto the Address specified in Step 4

Done


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January 26, 2018, 05:00:41 PM
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I just need a user-friendly way to sweep bitcoins from a offline paper wallet onto the Blockchain, without having to expose your private key, whilst you are online. ....

The bitcoins in the paper wallet are already on the blockchain. What you are asking is about moving the private key from a paper wallet to some kind of wallet that can be used for transactions.


You can create a transaction off line. Hence it is possible to never expose a private key to an online wallet.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=944915.0






It only makes sense to me that a Paper wallet is meant to be created offline <Air-gapped computer> to increase the security and therefore it makes further sense that the Sweep/Import option should also be done offline first and then encrypted before you go online again.

The automated Encryption and Decryption of the Private key <from text> to import/sweep the wallet, would reduce the risk of the private key being compromised during the process to sweep/import these wallets, when you go online.

Offline
Step 1 - Scan QR code on Paper wallet and retrieve the Private key
Step 2 - Insert Private key into App
Step 3 - App Encrypt Private key <not recognised as text>
Step 4 - Insert Bitcoin Address where coins will be swept to

Online
Step 5 - Go online <Enable Wifi or plug in data cable>
Step 6 - App still running, Click on "Sweep Paper Wallet"
Step 7 - Application automatically decrypt the Private key and sweep the coins from the paper wallet onto the Address specified in Step 4

Done



If you look at a site such as https://walletgenerator.net/, then the tab entitled "Paper Wallet" you will see the BIP38 Encrypt option.

That allows storing paper wallets encrypted. At the moment I don't have time to do testing but if I recall correctly some wallets, at the moment of sweeping such a QR code, will ask for the decryption password.

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I just need a user-friendly way to sweep bitcoins from a offline paper wallet onto the Blockchain, without having to expose your private key, whilst you are online. ....

The bitcoins in the paper wallet are already on the blockchain. What you are asking is about moving the private key from a paper wallet to some kind of wallet that can be used for transactions.


You can create a transaction off line. Hence it is possible to never expose a private key to an online wallet.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=944915.0



It only makes sense to me that a Paper wallet is meant to be created offline <Air-gapped computer> to increase the security and therefore it makes further sense that the Sweep/Import option should also be done offline first and then encrypted before you go online again.

The automated Encryption and Decryption of the Private key <from text> to import/sweep the wallet, would reduce the risk of the private key being compromised during the process to sweep/import these wallets, when you go online.

Offline
Step 1 - Scan QR code on Paper wallet and retrieve the Private key
Step 2 - Insert Private key into App
Step 3 - App Encrypt Private key <not recognised as text>
Step 4 - Insert Bitcoin Address where coins will be swept to

Online
Step 5 - Go online <Enable Wifi or plug in data cable>
Step 6 - App still running, Click on "Sweep Paper Wallet"
Step 7 - Application automatically decrypt the Private key and sweep the coins from the paper wallet onto the Address specified in Step 4

Done



If you look at a site such as https://walletgenerator.net/, then the tab entitled "Paper Wallet" you will see the BIP38 Encrypt option.

That allows storing paper wallets encrypted. At the moment I don't have time to do testing but if I recall correctly some wallets, at the moment of sweeping such a QR code, will ask for the decryption password.



Thanks for the URL, it does not address the issue of securely "sweeping or importing" the Private key, but it looks better than Bitaddress.org <It supports 194 other Alt coins, which is nice>

Can anyone validate if this site is as safe as Bitaddress.org? Both have links to the Github repositories for the Source code, but I do not know if the code for this wallet generator was checked.  Huh

The site only tells you the standard answer, when you want to spend the coins from the paper wallet :

You will need to import your private key in a real client, that you can download from the currency website. The exact method to do that will depend on the client. If there is no integrated method, you can usually fall back to the debug console and use the command “importprivkey [yourprivatekey]“.

I am still looking for a secure way to do offline sweeping/importing of private keys as discussed.

 

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January 27, 2018, 09:22:44 AM
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I just need a user-friendly way to sweep bitcoins from a offline paper wallet onto the Blockchain, without having to expose your private key, whilst you are online. People can screen grab the private key or they can use key capturing or clipboard highjacking in Malware to steal your private key. ^grrrrrr^

Electrum can do this if you have an online computer and an offline (air gapped) computer.

Setup the online Electrum in watch only mode with the address in which you have funds. Attempt to send the funds as desired. This will create an unsigned transaction which can be saved in a file that you can place on a USB stick. Setup the offline Electrum with your private key. Move the USB stick to the offline computer, load the transaction into Electrum, sign it, and saved the signed transaction back onto the USB. Move the USB to the online computer, load it into Electrum, and broadcast it to the world. (I've not done this, so I don't know all the user interface choices that will be needed...)

The signed transaction is secure. You can take your time broadcasting it from the USB. No malware can take it and change it.
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January 27, 2018, 04:32:37 PM
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What you could do is to try to use tool such as: https://coinb.in/

Electrum can do this if you have an online computer and an offline (air gapped) computer.
Both options should indeed work, and Electrum is the easier option. If you go for Coinb.in, make sure you Verify the transaction before broadcasting (also check how much fee you're paying)!
If you use Electrum, it still doesn't hurt to Verify the transaction before broadcasting.

My long-term strategy for cold storage require me to have multiple paper wallets with small quantities.
I have the same strategy, but it becomes increasingly annoying to claim all the forks.

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January 27, 2018, 11:38:32 PM
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If you look at a site such as https://walletgenerator.net/, then the tab entitled "Paper Wallet" you will see the BIP38 Encrypt option.

That allows storing paper wallets encrypted. At the moment I don't have time to do testing but if I recall correctly some wallets, at the moment of sweeping such a QR code, will ask for the decryption password.


yes, mycelium (android) will ask for the passphrase when sweeping a bip38 paper wallet. ive done it many times.
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January 28, 2018, 05:52:56 AM
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If you look at a site such as https://walletgenerator.net/, then the tab entitled "Paper Wallet" you will see the BIP38 Encrypt option.

That allows storing paper wallets encrypted. At the moment I don't have time to do testing but if I recall correctly some wallets, at the moment of sweeping such a QR code, will ask for the decryption password.


yes, mycelium (android) will ask for the passphrase when sweeping a bip38 paper wallet. ive done it many times.

Thanks. Although it wasn't Mycelium which I was thinking of. So there are more than one that do this (the BIP38 repository may have a list)

However, this essentially answers the question posed in the thread.
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January 28, 2018, 07:59:12 AM
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Before you want to close the thread, you should consider why I opened it :

1. I want a offline method to do this. <with encryption when you go online>
2. I want a easier method for newbies to do this. <Nice GUI interface>
3. I want to sweep everything, not just move a percentage of the coins.

These days, with all the free coins that needs to be claimed from the forks, we need a fast and easy and safe way to do this. I use a lot of paper wallets and this is becoming a issue with all of these forks. ^grrrrr^

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January 28, 2018, 10:57:30 PM
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Before you want to close the thread, you should consider why I opened it :

1. I want a offline method to do this. <with encryption when you go online>
2. I want a easier method for newbies to do this. <Nice GUI interface>
3. I want to sweep everything, not just move a percentage of the coins.

These days, with all the free coins that needs to be claimed from the forks, we need a fast and easy and safe way to do this. I use a lot of paper wallets and this is becoming a issue with all of these forks. ^grrrrr^

Previously Codewrench explained standard accepted practice of air-gapped offline computer, where private keys are never exposed to the Internet.

Are you referring to the risk when private keys are placed in new-coin-wallets for purposes of retrieval of those coins? Because this is a process of importing the private keys, such that they stay the same. "Sweep" usually refers to the reading of key into a new key in a wallet.

Since every new fork is unique I doubt there is every going to be any GUI interface that makes all cases easier for newbies.
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January 28, 2018, 11:49:39 PM
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you need app that grabs private key in offline and after that in online it launch
Code:
bitcoin-qt -server (as standard process)
bitcoin-cli importprivkey ... (as console-pipelined process)

latter may work just with detached console
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Before you want to close the thread, you should consider why I opened it :

1. I want a offline method to do this. <with encryption when you go online>
2. I want a easier method for newbies to do this. <Nice GUI interface>
3. I want to sweep everything, not just move a percentage of the coins.

These days, with all the free coins that needs to be claimed from the forks, we need a fast and easy and safe way to do this. I use a lot of paper wallets and this is becoming a issue with all of these forks. ^grrrrr^

Previously Codewrench explained standard accepted practice of air-gapped offline computer, where private keys are never exposed to the Internet.

Are you referring to the risk when private keys are placed in new-coin-wallets for purposes of retrieval of those coins? Because this is a process of importing the private keys, such that they stay the same. "Sweep" usually refers to the reading of key into a new key in a wallet.

Since every new fork is unique I doubt there is every going to be any GUI interface that makes all cases easier for newbies.

My standard practice with forked coins and paper wallets is the following.

1. Importing Paper wallets to a new Bitcoin address <moving them away to keep them safe>
2. Taking old Paper wallet and using whatever forked wallet to extract the FREE coins.

So yes, even if every fork is unique, you still have to move those coins to safety, before you risk using that paper wallet on some new fork wallet.

you need app that grabs private key in offline and after that in online it launch
Code:
bitcoin-qt -server (as standard process)
bitcoin-cli importprivkey ... (as console-pipelined process)

latter may work just with detached console

This is too complicated for the average Joe out there. We need to hide that in a nice GUI for granny to be able to do this.
Even technical people struggle with this : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2838191.0

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January 29, 2018, 03:04:29 PM
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can make it for windows
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