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January 29, 2018, 03:20:54 PM
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It only makes sense to me that a Paper wallet is meant to be created offline <Air-gapped computer> to increase the security and therefore it makes further sense that the Sweep/Import option should also be done offline first and then encrypted before you go online again.

The automated Encryption and Decryption of the Private key <from text> to import/sweep the wallet, would reduce the risk of the private key being compromised during the process to sweep/import these wallets, when you go online.

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Step 1 - Scan QR code on Paper wallet and retrieve the Private key
Step 2 - Insert Private key into App
Step 3 - App Encrypt Private key <not recognised as text>
Step 4 - Insert Bitcoin Address where coins will be swept to

Online
Step 5 - Go online <Enable Wifi or plug in data cable>
Step 6 - App still running, Click on "Sweep Paper Wallet"
Step 7 - Application automatically decrypt the Private key and sweep the coins from the paper wallet onto the Address specified in Step 4

Done

It seems to me that you are conflating "offline" with "air-gapped". An air-gapped system is a system that is never online and/or lacks the ability to even connect. The idea of using an air-gapped system is that that system contains your private keys and no other system does, ever. So, there is simply no way for a hacker, no matter how clever, to siphon away your private keys(1).

It doesn't matter very much if you disconnect a non-airgapped computer while you perform sensitive operations because a hacker may have installed some malicious code that is recording your session whether you are online or not. The moment you re-connect, the malicious code begins "relaying" its session recordings back to home base.

For reference, here's the wiki on cold storage.

(1) - There are still risks. A Windows system with autoplay can launch code from a dirty USB key, for example.
Make sure you back up your wallet regularly! Unlike a bank account, nobody can help you if you lose access to your BTC.
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January 29, 2018, 03:29:26 PM
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My standard practice with forked coins and paper wallets is the following.

1. Importing Paper wallets to a new Bitcoin address <moving them away to keep them safe>
2. Taking old Paper wallet and using whatever forked wallet to extract the FREE coins.

So yes, even if every fork is unique, you still have to move those coins to safety, before you risk using that paper wallet on some new fork wallet.
Yeah, that's the correct way to do it. You can easily do it with Bitcoin Core or Armory. Armory has a GUI to do so, IIRC.
This is too complicated for the average Joe out there. We need to hide that in a nice GUI for granny to be able to do this.
Even technical people struggle with this : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2838191.0
Did you literally just grabbed some random post and just said that it's related to the topic? It's not. The mistake as said in that post could happen to anyone who doesn't have a deep understanding of the crypto. If you really fancy a GUI, go for Electrum. Bitcoin Core isn't for you.

Paper wallets aren't really all that great. Its a huge pain in the ass to spend them safely, as compared to something like Electrum.

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January 29, 2018, 06:21:03 PM
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My standard practice with forked coins and paper wallets is the following.

1. Importing Paper wallets to a new Bitcoin address <moving them away to keep them safe>
2. Taking old Paper wallet and using whatever forked wallet to extract the FREE coins.
I assume you mean "Sweeping" instead of "Importing", right? It's probably a typo, but for others who read this it can be a crucial difference.

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January 29, 2018, 11:22:40 PM
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My standard practice with forked coins and paper wallets is the following.

1. Importing Paper wallets to a new Bitcoin address <moving them away to keep them safe>
2. Taking old Paper wallet and using whatever forked wallet to extract the FREE coins.
I assume you mean "Sweeping" instead of "Importing", right? It's probably a typo, but for others who read this it can be a crucial difference.

These words have specific meaning, and confusing them can easily lead to loss of funds, in certain conditions.

I understand you are being polite in saying "typo," but this is important.
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January 30, 2018, 03:04:32 PM
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I think there is some misconception here - on the onehand side it is asked to make a process "granny" proof, but on the otherhand side it is already a complex 7 step process, with online wallet, offline or cold storage wallet ideas, paperwallets, QR code scanning, encryption and the complex topic of sweeping or scanning. If people here in the forum mix this up, how shall this be granny proof?

No, I don't think that it shall be granny proof, it can't be - too complex. It looks more like looking for an easy method that saves time for the annoying complexity of handling paper wallets (and insisting to use them going forward). If this is the case, then the right question is: what is the willingness to spend/contribute some funds, so that this particular feature is realized?

alexeyneu provided an answer to this, which I think is a really fair offer. It can then be put on github as open source, and further developped. And who knows, even one day it might get a high level of user acceptance, that is desired also by others?

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