Merit System Numbers too high to achieve - A Suggestion

[2girls]

The system is great and if implemented in true sense without favourism can only benefit for everyone.

Prediction:
Its Just the first day of this system but come back here after a month or so and you will see Jr Member and all other ranks will stuck at where they are and all those Selfish DT Members (Lunda / Pharmist / Actmyname  etc)  + Not Selfish DT Members   + few good friends of them  will have  buckets full of merits  and bitcointalk will be for those only 500 to 600 Users. 

Now you see a spam by the Selffish DT members that "Improve your post quality" And we will still tag you Shit Poster

So no need to debate on this, just come back after a month on this and check the merits of everyone 


Anyways now coming for the help of Ordinary public of bitcointalk, I have just one suggestion , Can we lower the number of the merits in order to achieve Ranks.

I mean if a Member needs 10 then why not

Full Member    20
Sr. Member    30
Hero Member    40
Legand               50

Of course only a good poster will first get 10 points to become member and time it take to achieve Hero to Leg. is still that same 1.3  to 2 years.
 

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[hilariousandco]

If it's that easy to get points then it defeats the whole purpose of the system and it makes it much easier to farm/sell points.

[yahoo62278]

The merit system is there to encourage you to make quality posts. Contribute something positive to a topic by saying more then I agree. You can get multiple merit points for your replies if users deem it a quality post.

I want to see the numbers doubled or tripled honestly. Users have 35 weeks to start from newbie to sr member and 70 weeks to get to hero. That is plenty of time to get the merit points required in order to rank up.

All these users that troll the bitcoin discussion section, trading discussion, altcoin discussion, economy, and speculation sections are going to need to start making better posts or they'll be stuck at their current rank for a long time.

It's meant to be a little tough but not impossible.

[2girls]

If it's that easy to get points then it defeats the whole purpose of the system and it makes it much easier to farm/sell points.

Ok I agree with you. 
Just one suggestion,  Leg. is the highest rank and no one should be allowed to give more Merits to Legendary as they are already the most respected person. Instead use those merits to give to those who are less than Legendary and needs them for their quality work.

[Lutpin]

tl;dr: no.

Long explanation:

@Theymos sMerits should be rejected if given to a legendary.

That would mean high quality posts from legendaries wouldnt be marked as such, which destroys one of the purposes of publicly showing merited posts, giving good examples.
Also, when you send merit to a legendary, they gain 50% as sMerit, thus giving them an additional balance to be distributed.

Simple example: I have 50 sMerit, I can't read the forum right now and distribute them, but you are writing really good posts, I reward them to you for one of your outstanding posts,
now you get 25 sMerit, you do read the forum, select high quality posts from lower members, and contribute to the distribution that way.
The difference here being either 50 in my account and dormant/lost or 25 being actively distributed and rewarded. The latter should be the option to pick, imo.

[2girls]

tl;dr: no.

Long explanation:

@Theymos sMerits should be rejected if given to a legendary.

That would mean high quality posts from legendaries wouldnt be marked as such, which destroys one of the purposes of publicly showing merited posts, giving good examples.
Also, when you send merit to a legendary, they gain 50% as sMerit, thus giving them an additional balance to be distributed.

Simple example: I have 50 sMerit, I can't read the forum right now and distribute them, but you are writing really good posts, I reward them to you for one of your outstanding posts,
now you get 25 sMerit, you do read the forum, select high quality posts from lower members, and contribute to the distribution that way.
The difference here being either 50 in my account and dormant/lost or 25 being actively distributed and rewarded. The latter should be the option to pick, imo.

Ok Understood. Thanks

[petuhov]

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If it's that easy to get points then it defeats the whole purpose of the system and it makes it much easier to farm/sell points.

Ok I agree with you. 
Just one suggestion,  Leg. is the highest rank and no one should be allowed to give more Merits to Legendary as they are already the most respected person. Instead use those merits to give to those who are less than Legendary and needs them for their quality work.

This is more like asking for merits which defeats the purpose. I think new members should now learn from these experienced members and watch their posts getting more merits.

[bobq]

The merit system is there to encourage you to make quality posts. Contribute something positive to a topic by saying more then I agree. You can get multiple merit points for your replies if users deem it a quality post.

I want to see the numbers doubled or tripled honestly. Users have 35 weeks to start from newbie to sr member and 70 weeks to get to hero. That is plenty of time to get the merit points required in order to rank up.

All these users that troll the bitcoin discussion section, trading discussion, altcoin discussion, economy, and speculation sections are going to need to start making better posts or they'll be stuck at their current rank for a long time.

It's meant to be a little tough but not impossible.

What you say is generally correct. However I'd have a question about your point "That is plenty of time to get the merit points required in order to rank up". I was supposed to rank up to Hero Member in 5 days form now, since I'm missing only 4 points of activity for that. Now suddenly I am also missing 250 points of merit, which I should achieve in 5 days. According to my estimate it will probably take years, I see that people have very few sMerits at their disposal, so you are likely to get one just now and then. If you get one sMerit every 4 posts you do (BTW I doubt you can get so many) I will now need to make another 1000 GOOD posts before becoming a Hero. Could please explain me better this "plenty of time" concept?

[tokeweed]

If it's that easy to get points then it defeats the whole purpose of the system and it makes it much easier to farm/sell points.

Lmao.  Hey you can't blame him for trying... 

[bluefirecorp_]

A single thread generated over 500 merit for a single user... I don't see how it'd be hard to earn 1000 merit within a year or so.

[bobq]

A single thread generated over 500 merit for a single user... I don't see how it'd be hard to earn 1000 merit within a year or so.

Just as easy as winning at a lottery.
How many other people have earned 500 merits today? Or even just 100? By the way, who is the lucky dude if I may ask? Is there a sort of richlist of the people who get the merits that one can check?

[AdolfinWolf]

A single thread generated over 500 merit for a single user... I don't see how it'd be hard to earn 1000 merit within a year or so.

Just as easy as winning at a lottery.
How many other people have earned 500 merits today? Or even just 100? By the way, who is the lucky dude if I may ask? Is there a sort of richlist of the people who get the merits that one can check?

You can see who has gained/received the most merit All-time  over here, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topusersat

Currently theymos has almost received 1k, and Lutpin has  received around ~500.

It also has some other stats which include who gave the most, and all recent merits etc.

[Lecam]

A single thread generated over 500 merit for a single user... I don't see how it'd be hard to earn 1000 merit within a year or so.

Just as easy as winning at a lottery.
How many other people have earned 500 merits today? Or even just 100? By the way, who is the lucky dude if I may ask? Is there a sort of richlist of the people who get the merits that one can check?

You can see who has gained/received the most merit All-time  over here, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topusersat

Currently theymos has almost received 1k, and Lutpin has  received around ~500.

It also has some other stats which include who gave the most, and all recent merits etc.

Most of them are mods, hero, legendary and circle of friends. That's the whole point. Those who are of low rank will not gain any merit points because it just circulate to those who know each other and who joined early on this forum. Let's just see how this new system will go in a month. Sure the quality of posts would improve because people will try hard to earn merit points. However, let's see if those merit points willbe given fairly to those people who really deserve it and who really tried hard.  

[Jet Cash]

I'm coming round to the new system. The old system just required volume regardless of quality, and that was part of the spamming problem. The new system involves ( in part ) voting on post quality by the posters peers. If this is not abused, then it could be a great way to improve quality. Part of this is as a result of a type of feedback on posts. If I make a post that is seen to be helpful, and thus gains some merit points, then that appreciation encourages me to make further constructive posts. If a series of posts don't receive any merit points, then I know that I am on the wrong tack.

[l10no]

you may have a suggestion for us to get merit easily, but we the users of this forum, should be grateful to all DT members who work hard to make this forum better, and allowed to join in it.

I do not think we should argue about this again, because I also think there is no policy in this world without controversy. now we just have to think, how we can make a thread or a good comment to get merit.

although I also feel in disadvantage of this, but we all must learn to think positive. because I'm sure, all who make this rule have been thinking good and bad

[Lecam]

I'm coming round to the new system. The old system just required volume regardless of quality, and that was part of the spamming problem. The new system involves ( in part ) voting on post quality by the posters peers. If this is not abused, then it could be a great way to improve quality.

I totally agree with this.

Part of this is as a result of a type of feedback on posts. If I make a post that is seen to be helpful, and thus gains some merit points, then that appreciation encourages me to make further constructive posts. If a series of posts don't receive any merit points, then I know that I am on the wrong tack.

The problem is, what if this would just result to "favoritism" system. Those who are not well known members of this forum will be left out and those who are already legendary and well know (mods, staff, legendary, etc.) will just keep on getting merits just because they've known each other. Let's just see after a month if this system would just go as other people view it.

[A1exander]

Most of them are mods, hero, legendary and circle of friends. That's the whole point. Those who are of low rank will not gain any merit points because it just circulate to those who know each other and who joined early on this forum. Let's just see how this new system will go in a month. Sure the quality of posts would improve because people will try hard to earn merit points. However, let's see if those merit points willbe given fairly to those people who really deserve it and who really tried hard.  

Yes, let's see, but I'm not sure about quality improvement. sMerit points are so scarce that it is probably not even worth trying and there are rules about meaningless posts already.

[Jet Cash]

The problem is, what if this would just result "favoritism" system. Those who are not well known members of this forum will be left out and those who are already legendary and well know (mods, staff, legendary, etc.) will just keep on getting merits just because they've known each other. Let's just see after a month if this system would just go as other people view it.

That won't work for me. I'm a selfish bugger, and I've only got a few points to give away. They will go to people who help me regardless of their status. For example, if I want to set up a node on a Raspberry Pi, then a newbie could have a lot of Pi experience and make valuable contributions, and he should be rewarded for it. Alternaively if a poster states "My dog prefers Strawberry Pie", then he should get nothing, under the old system he would have got an activity point.

[kenzawak]

This is gonna kill the forum if it stays that way .
People will post less which will make the board less attractive for project devs .
Since it will be harder to move up in rank ,there will be less people with avatars and flashy sigs (the higher your ank is ,the more visible your signature is_ .All in all ,same issue ,project devs won't find as much interest in this board .

The huge number of members and posts is the most important thing for this place .

[Jet Cash]

You can see who has gained/received the most merit All-time  over here, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topusersat

Looks like a useful tool to weed out the spammers, farmers and cheaters. I thought computer people were supposed to be intelligent.