Dear Theymos,i have a good idea.

[reypinioco]

Dear theymos,
        We should try to have a voting system to promote or demote anyone from your default trust.So if someone on your list has been abusing their privileges,the community will decide if they should remain as DT.

       I suggest we should have atleast an evaluation once a month for these DTs to be sure that they are really helping this community to be peaceful because recently hundreds of accounts are being tagged for FUN,not only the spammers but most of the people who arent native english speakers.I believe there are still DTs who arent not abusing their trust ratings but we need to know what the community's feedback with these abusers!

    I am not against to all the users in your default lists,but i am against to those who are giving red trusts to users who can't compose a simple sentence.

PS: Instead of giving red trust to these spammers,you can give them a penalty like a 30days ban so they cant post any spam within a month and giving them a second chance isnt a bad idea and if these spammers were caught again you can disable their accounts permanently.

I am open for your suggestions,let us help theymos and community.

truly yours,
rey pinioco - not a native speaker.

[Vod]

       We should try to have a voting system to promote or demote anyone from your default trust.So if someone on your list has been abusing their privileges,the community will decide if they should remain as DT.

No.  Right now the active "community" consists mostly of people uninterested in bitcoin.

The "elders" need to stay in charge - they know the true meaning of this forum.  

[shailkumari]

Dear theymos,
        We should try to have a voting system to promote or demote anyone from your default trust.So if someone on your list has been abusing their privileges,the community will decide if they should remain as DT.

       I suggest we should have atleast an evaluation once a month for these DTs to be sure that they are really helping this community to be peaceful because recently hundreds of accounts are being tagged for FUN,not only the spammers but most of the people who arent native english speakers.I believe there are still DTs who arent not abusing their trust ratings but we need to know what the community's feedback with these abusers!

    I am not against to all the users in your default lists,but i am against to those who are giving red trusts to users who can't compose a simple sentence.

PS: Instead of giving red trust to these spammers,you can give them a penalty like a 30days ban so they cant post any spam within a month and giving them a second chance isnt a bad idea and if these spammers were caught again you can disable their accounts permanently.

I am open for your suggestions,let us help theymos and community.

truly yours,
rey pinioco - not a native speaker.

They have not even disclosed the merit sources. If there is voting, what stops someone from manipulating the votes by creating multiple accounts ? It will complicate the situation more.

[cry4crypto]

I'm with Vod on this one. Most of the activity comes from shitposters and spammers. There's an unbelievable amount of low quality content written with the sole purpose of increasing activity, probably for bounty campaign reasons. I wouldn't want any of these shitposters and multi-account holders to have a saying in anything, let the "elders" do their bidding.

[reypinioco]

       We should try to have a voting system to promote or demote anyone from your default trust.So if someone on your list has been abusing their privileges,the community will decide if they should remain as DT.

No.  Right now the active "community" consists mostly of people uninterested in bitcoin.

The "elders" need to stay in charge - they know the true meaning of this forum.  

Yes i know there are a lot of folks here just because of these signatures,but there are still few people like me who just want to learn but the thing is,there are some DTs who are bullying folks that arent native speakers.And i just want to have a system that can contol those abusers and it doesnt mean that those good guys will be removed from being in charge,i know you are one of the good guys  

[TMAN]

       We should try to have a voting system to promote or demote anyone from your default trust.So if someone on your list has been abusing their privileges,the community will decide if they should remain as DT.

No.  Right now the active "community" consists mostly of people uninterested in bitcoin.

The "elders" need to stay in charge - they know the true meaning of this forum.  

Yes i know there are a lot of folks here just because of these signatures,but there are still few people like me who just want to learn but the thing is,there are some DTs who are bullying folks that arent native speakers.And i just want to have a system that can contol those abusers and it doesnt mean that those good guys will be removed from being in charge,i know you are one of the good guys  

I take it from your comments that English isn't your native tongue, but your post is eloquent and well written, so you would not be classified as a shitposter with bad English. People like you have nothing to worry about.

just make quality posts and merits will be gained.. take one from me for starters.

[Samarkand]

...

just make quality posts and merits will be gained.. take one from me for starters.

It it yet to be seen how this will play out. However, I have already started to become
more sceptic of the success of the merit system after being very excited about the
change initially (even though I was one of the unluckiest users, because I was only
2 activity points away from becoming a Senior member before the introduction of the merit
system).

Just a few examples:
0 Merit for a very detailed and thoughtful post in Technology & Development:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2050869.msg28945767#msg28945767

0 Merit for a short, but very helpful reply to the individual with a technical
problem that made him unable to access his Bitcoin
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2825633.msg28949568#msg28949568

...

Meanwhile...

50 Merit for a one-liner in the Turkish local forum:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2088966.msg28802606#msg28802606

41 Merit for a one-liner in a Russian ICO thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2212597.msg28906402#msg28906402

58 Merit for TMAN´s Level up challenge:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2825523.msg28944688#msg28944688

(TMAN´s challenge is not even a bad idea, but you have to admit that it is ridiculous that you have
gained 58 Merits for a post while the thoughtful replies in Development & Technology
are receiving 0 merits)

I hope that the situation will improve when the system has been online for a longer
time, but my initial optimism has quickly faded. Let´s hope that I´m wrong, but as of
now I could find countless other examples where the merit system is not working
as intended (I´m not even counting the instances where people that are obviously
related or are at least working together donate merits to each other).

[TMAN]

...

just make quality posts and merits will be gained.. take one from me for starters.

It it yet to be seen how this will play out. However, I have already started to become
more sceptic of the success of the merit system after being very excited about the
change initially (even though I was one of the unluckiest users, because I was only
2 activity points away from becoming a Senior member before the introduction of the merit
system).

Just a few examples:
0 Merit for a very detailed and thoughtful post in Technology & Development:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2050869.msg28945767#msg28945767

0 Merit for a short, but very helpful reply to the individual with a technical
problem that made him unable to access his Bitcoin
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2825633.msg28949568#msg28949568

...

Meanwhile...

50 Merit for a one-liner in the Turkish local forum:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2088966.msg28802606#msg28802606

41 Merit for a one-liner in a Russian ICO thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2212597.msg28906402#msg28906402

58 Merit for TMAN´s Level up challenge:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2825523.msg28944688#msg28944688

(TMAN´s challenge is not even a bad idea, but you have to admit that it is ridiculous that you have
gained 58 Merit´s for a post while the thoughtful replies in Development & Technology
are seeing 0 merits)

I hope that the situation will improve when the system has been online for a longer
time, but my initial optimism has quickly faded. Let´s hope that I´m wrong, but as of
now I could find countless other examples where the merit system is not working
as intended (I´m not even counting the instances where people that are obviously
related or are at least working together donate merits to each other).

I don't visit those other areas so I cant give merits there, people gave me merits  as I am giving them out to newbies who deserve them. It saves others the grief of doing it themselves, and I am actually doing something other than nothing..

[Samarkand]

...

I don't visit those other areas so I cant give merits there, people gave me merits  as I am giving them out to newbies who deserve them. It saves others the grief of doing it themselves, and I am actually doing something other than nothing..

Sorry, if my post was too harsh on you, I actually think your idea is decent
and I like that you are giving newbies the chance to gain a few merits.

My main point is that the abuse of the merit system is off the charts after
being live for one day. I have seen great posts receiving 0 merit while
absolute shitposts are being rewarded with tons of merits. This is not even
counting the instances where obviously related people donate merits to each other.

I hope that this will improve in the long-term, but my initial optimism has
faded extremely quickly.

[TMAN]

...

I don't visit those other areas so I cant give merits there, people gave me merits  as I am giving them out to newbies who deserve them. It saves others the grief of doing it themselves, and I am actually doing something other than nothing..

Sorry, if my post was too harsh on you, I actually think your idea is decent
and I like that you are giving newbies the chance to gain a few merits.

My main point is that the abuse of the merit system is off the charts after
being live for one day. I have seen great posts receiving 0 merit while
absolute shitposts are being rewarded with tons of merits. This is not even
counting the instances where obviously related people donate merits to each.

I hope that this will improve in the long-term, but my initial optimism has
faded extremely quickly.

it will take time fella, initially it needs to be embraced in a positive way - examples of a few total newbies getting some love. When that happens then it will spread throughout the forum

[yahoo62278]

You cannot hold a voting system for promoting and demoting DT users for the simple fact that it will be heavily manipulated by all the butthurt trolls in this place. Someone gets mad at someone else and it just turns to stupidity quick.

Maybe those that are or have been inactive for awhile could be removed and Theymos do an internal vote(with staff and older members) on who he should promote to DT1?

[TMAN]

You cannot hold a voting system for promoting and demoting DT users for the simple fact that it will be heavily manipulated by all the butthurt trolls in this place. Someone gets mad at someone else and it just turns to stupidity quick.

Maybe those that are or have been inactive for awhile could be removed and Theymos do an internal vote(with staff and older members) on who he should promote to DT1?

I agree with this, DT is outdated and does need a shake up.

at least this merit system is a step in the right direction of cleaning up this place.  once campaign managers start using Merit as the entry requirements for campaigns then there will be a real change in this place

[Zackgeno96]

But there are local sections for the people who are not familiar with the english language, they should stick to it. If they are unable to post properly framed sentence, then the post is useless as no one will understand what he wants to say and the users also can not express their views correctly. So instead of wasting their time on the main section, these users should be limited to local section or they should learn to make constructive posts.

[supermandre]

I agree I also want a voting poll but only those Full Members and up can join to lessen manipulation and with the explanation thread at the same time.

[yahoo62278]

I agree I also want a voting poll but only those Full Members and up can join to lessen manipulation and with the explanation thread at the same time.

Full member and up will not solve anything. Do you read the forum and see Legendary members at each others throats? Or multiple members of all ranks scamming? If someone is pissed at a DT member, no matter their rank, they'll try starting a lynch mob with all their friends.

[reypinioco]

You cannot hold a voting system for promoting and demoting DT users for the simple fact that it will be heavily manipulated by all the butthurt trolls in this place. Someone gets mad at someone else and it just turns to stupidity quick.

Maybe those that are or have been inactive for awhile could be removed and Theymos do an internal vote(with staff and older members) on who he should promote to DT1?

hi,there i got your idea,maybe we can have a voting system for only those new listed DT members or put them into a probation period so if they were abusive the community including moderators and the old DTs can evaluate them.

[supermandre]

I agree I also want a voting poll but only those Full Members and up can join to lessen manipulation and with the explanation thread at the same time.

Full member and up will not solve anything. Do you read the forum and see Legendary members at each others throats? Or multiple members of all ranks scamming? If someone is pissed at a DT member, no matter their rank, they'll try starting a lynch mob with all their friends.

That is why I added there should be an explanation thread or something so people can weigh and be the judge.

[theunbeatable]

       We should try to have a voting system to promote or demote anyone from your default trust.So if someone on your list has been abusing their privileges,the community will decide if they should remain as DT.

No.  Right now the active "community" consists mostly of people uninterested in bitcoin.

The "elders" need to stay in charge - they know the true meaning of this forum.  

We should respect these "elders" who treated this forum as their home. You are hurt because someone is abusing the trust system, giving red trusts to those people who they are shitposters and garbage to the forum but do you really know how they feel. Some legendary here or even heroes treat this place as their world more than the physical world they are living in.
Take for example you are living in the mountains with your family and having a simple life and some private company destroy the ecosystem that you are calling your home in the name of "Money".
I've been here in this forum since 11 months and I learned why they are doing that in a hard way. That's why I'm sticking mostly in my local thread because English is just my second language.
I know that what you are suggesting is for the sake of all the members here IF you are in a democratic club . Maybe you re a member but never forget that making ruckus all over someone else's home may angry those people who originally live there.

[reypinioco]

       We should try to have a voting system to promote or demote anyone from your default trust.So if someone on your list has been abusing their privileges,the community will decide if they should remain as DT.

No.  Right now the active "community" consists mostly of people uninterested in bitcoin.

The "elders" need to stay in charge - they know the true meaning of this forum.  

We should respect these "elders" who treated this forum as their home. You are hurt because someone is abusing the trust system, giving red trusts to those people who they are shitposters and garbage to the forum but do you really know how they feel. Some legendary here or even heroes treat this place as their world more than the physical world they are living in.
Take for example you are living in the mountains with your family and having a simple life and some private company destroy the ecosystem that you are calling your home in the name of "Money".
I've been here in this forum since 11 months and I learned why they are doing that in a hard way. That's why I'm sticking mostly in my local thread because English is just my second language.
I know that what you are suggesting is for the sake of all the members here IF you are in a democratic club . Maybe you re a member but never forget that making ruckus all over someone else's home may angry those people who originally live there.

Respecting people is very important but being rude and inconsiderate is a trait of selfish people who treat others like they are worthless.Remove these type of people from our forum, and you will see how the forum will improves.People who do not respect themselves tend to treat others bad from what I have seen and lastly respect is being earned not given.

[TMAN]

respect our eyes by not shitposting to earn a few satoshi then

learn something, educate others, ask valid questions.. the quest for information is not strong here.. it should be as there is a wealth of knowledge.