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January 27, 2018, 12:22:30 PM
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First of all, this is just my Opinion.  I think this new 'merit' system is just a new policy same as the capitalist government/bankers do in the name of quality, security bla bla.

Now my rank in the forum depends on others! If some one thinks my post is merit worthy then they will give me merit.  My rank now has to look for the mercy of others! absolutely Crap idea.

Whats happens if a post is good and still no one gives merit??  I am sure this what will happens. I believe many of users here do not bother about giving merit etc.  They come here to learn, share information.

Yes there are spam posters, but you can't impose such as bad system as 'merit' to tackle the spam!  This forum is about cryptocurrency whose main characteristic is 'decentralisation' . But this new 'Merit' system is a 'centralised' system which depends on the mercy of others and that is a BIG SLAP  to the face of 'Decentralisation'  Huh Angry Cry
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January 27, 2018, 12:29:03 PM
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First of all, this is just my Opinion.  I think this new 'merit' system is just a new policy same as the capitalist government/bankers do in the name of quality, security bla bla.

This is how the way things work and this is not some kind of democracy. This is a forum owned privately by someone and as a member you have to follow the rules of the forum.

Now my rank in the forum depends on others! If some one thinks my post is merit worthy then they will give me merit.  My rank now has to look for the mercy of others! absolutely Crap idea.

So you want your rank to depend on the number the shit posts a member makes every month. It was leading us nowhere.


Whats happens if a post is good and still no one gives merit??  I am sure this what will happens. I believe many of users here do not bother about giving merit etc.  They come here to learn, share information.

Yes there are spam posters, but you can't impose such as bad system as 'merit' to tackle the spam!  This forum is about cryptocurrency whose main characteristic is 'decentralisation'

Sure some quality posts might get ignored but it is not possible that if you post 50 good posts all will get ignored. If you post good quality content, there are high chnaces people will read your other posts as well.

What do you suggest in place of merit system ?

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January 27, 2018, 12:29:45 PM
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Now my rank in the forum depends on others! If some one thinks my post is merit worthy then they will give me merit.  My rank now has to look for the mercy of others!
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But this new 'Merit' system is a 'centralised' system which depends on the mercy of others and that is a BIG SLAP to the face of 'Decentralisation'
Let's sum up the two main points you have:
  • Your rank depends on ratings given by the general public/many other people.
  • Your rank is given by a centralized source.
Don't you think those two stand in contrast to each other?


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January 27, 2018, 12:33:30 PM
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First of all, this is just my Opinion.  I think this new 'merit' system is just a new policy same as the capitalist government/bankers do in the name of quality, security bla bla.

This is how the way things work and this is not some kind of democracy. This is a forum owned privately by someone and as a member you have to follow the rules of the forum.

Now my rank in the forum depends on others! If some one thinks my post is merit worthy then they will give me merit.  My rank now has to look for the mercy of others! absolutely Crap idea.

So you want your rank to depend on the number the shit posts a member makes every month. It was leading us nowhere.


Whats happens if a post is good and still no one gives merit??  I am sure this what will happens. I believe many of users here do not bother about giving merit etc.  They come here to learn, share information.

Yes there are spam posters, but you can't impose such as bad system as 'merit' to tackle the spam!  This forum is about cryptocurrency whose main characteristic is 'decentralisation'

Sure some quality posts might get ignored but it is not possible that if you post 50 good posts all will get ignored. If you post good quality content, there are high chnaces people will read your other posts as well.

What do you suggest in place of merit system ?

"So you want your rank to depend on the number the shit posts a member makes every month. It was leading us nowhere. "--> This is the best forum running for years and you think for all these years we didn't go any where and all on a sudden this 'merit' system is the magic key?? 

The issue is not about getting ignored with good posts. The issue is people don't bother to give merit.  Instead they will sell merit..  Just wait and see what happens...  I can tell for sure this 'merit' system is a crap, shi** system.
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January 27, 2018, 12:36:45 PM
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These merits are shareable but some of the DTs are giving redtrusts because of another abuse created by the new merit system.

how are you going to rank up?if someone intended to give you a lot of merits,would it be called abuse?for example i have 10 hero accounts and i want you to get red trust i can simply give you 50merits at once and report you to these DTs,isnt that funny?

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January 27, 2018, 12:39:28 PM
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I agree with you and plenty here already said about the forum not being decentralize which is like opposite of the ideaa we support with the cryptocurrency and its decentralization. But you have to understand that we are joining a forum with admins & moderators. We have to respect the rules and the system they implement which I agree that it's like being controlled by government. I personally do not like it and want the way it was before. But I want to be a member here and engage more in the community so i will try my best to stay and embrace the system. You actually have the option to stay and try your best to post that contributes to the community or just walk away. You do not need to be high ranked to support the idea behind cryptocurrency and you also do not need to be a member here to learn and share about bitcoin and cryptocurrencies. Now if you are here to rank up I think it is just right to follow the rules no one forces as to be here. Do not worry about your merit, there's already a lot of ways on how to earn merits. Few of the high ranked members already made threads that gives chances to us to get merits and there's also contests if you just read and search you'll find there's plenty out there.
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January 27, 2018, 12:44:07 PM
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These merits are shareable but some of the DTs are giving redtrusts because of another abuse created by the new merit system.

how are you going to rank up?if someone intended to give you a lot of merits,would it be called abuse?for example i have 10 hero accounts and i want you to get red trust i can simply give you 50merits at once and report you to these DTs,isnt that funny?

That is  a genuine concern that I saw some others raising as well and there was no answer from an authority here about it. It is very much possible and hard to spot. May be they need to check in other aspects like past interactions in accounts before giving that negative trust.

So far as the selling of merit points is concerned even if they sell they will get exhausted of Smerits very soon. These will be mainly in hands of merit sources and i hope that the admin selects them carefully.

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January 27, 2018, 01:08:05 PM
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First of all, this is just my Opinion.  I think this new 'merit' system is just a new policy same as the capitalist government/bankers do in the name of quality, security bla bla.

You can always leave or find another forum.

Whats happens if a post is good and still no one gives merit??  I am sure this what will happens. I believe many of users here do not bother about giving merit etc.  They come here to learn, share information.

Keep making quality contributions and you'll likely get noticed. It may not be easy or quick to get there but that's partly the point.

Yes there are spam posters, but you can't impose such as bad system as 'merit' to tackle the spam! 

What do you suggest instead?

This forum is about cryptocurrency whose main characteristic is 'decentralisation' .

No, it's about bitcoin. Or at least it was, as it has now been taken over by shitposters and crapcoins which this merit system is now trying to curb the abuse of.

But this new 'Merit' system is a 'centralised' system which depends on the mercy of others and that is a BIG SLAP  to the face of 'Decentralisation'  Huh Angry Cry

This is not a decentralised forum, as has been stated numerous times before. I really hope someone does create a decentralised forum at some point though just to show what an absolute mess and headache it would be to use when everyone is responsible for their own moderating.

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January 27, 2018, 01:10:46 PM
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These merits are shareable but some of the DTs are giving redtrusts because of another abuse created by the new merit system.

how are you going to rank up?if someone intended to give you a lot of merits,would it be called abuse?for example i have 10 hero accounts and i want you to get red trust i can simply give you 50merits at once and report you to these DTs,isnt that funny?

I suppose you are referring to this thread? -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2823221.0

What I see there is not a simple giving a lot of merits resulted in neg-trust, but about whether giving a lot of merits is understandable or not.

It is not about the number of merits that has been sent to some users, but to what post that merit is sent.
Do you think it is believable if a post like "good project", "joining you" and etc has 1 merit on them?
If you said no, I guess you can understand why DT users are tagging those users with neg-trust because their abuse on the merit system is quite clear.

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First of all, this is just my Opinion.  I think this new 'merit' system is just a new policy same as the capitalist government/bankers do in the name of quality, security bla bla.

Its not a policy at all, its the mandatory protocol which you should follow or otherwise you yourself will get slapped in the long wrong and you will be the one responsible for that.

Please! Its not just in the name of quality, its about the self-improvement and self-establishment in the forum itself. If you do your job best you get recognised surely and if you don't then there is another slap waiting for you!


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Now my rank in the forum depends on others! If some one thinks my post is merit worthy then they will give me merit.  My rank now has to look for the mercy of others! absolutely Crap idea.

Its called as mutual growth and not the mercy my mate! You have no idea how crap you are thinking about the system itself, and you yourself making it corrupted. If you keep thinking like this then believe me you are out of merit.

There is thing called "self-awarness", if you know what are you thinking then you can achieve it in easy way.

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Whats happens if a post is good and still no one gives merit??  I am sure this what will happens. I believe many of users here do not bother about giving merit etc.  They come here to learn, share information.

No mate that will work perfectly!
I am sure people will start meriting each other once they find themselves behind the race of quality poster and when they won't be able to get into different campaigns, reward programs just because of their Low Merit!

They do come here for sharing info, but if its shit info then its useless anyway.

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Yes there are spam posters, but you can't impose such as bad system as 'merit' to tackle the spam!  This forum is about cryptocurrency whose main characteristic is 'decentralisation' . But this new 'Merit' system is a 'centralised' system which depends on the mercy of others and that is a BIG SLAP  to the face of 'Decentralisation'  Huh Angry Cry

Um, wait I can choose whom to give the merits?
Oh! Perfect that is decentralised system, I can control my merits publicly and so do they can :-)
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January 27, 2018, 01:31:24 PM
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This is a centralized, privately owned, forum. If you do not like it here, you are most welcome to go somewhere else. However, the new merit system is not centralized in my opinion since anyone can give everyone merit. Yes, there is one central source of authority (theymos), but someone, somewhere has to start the chain.

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January 27, 2018, 01:48:52 PM
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It's very interesting to see most of the members praising this so called 'Merit' systems are the users who already got lot of 'Merit's by default. They did NOT have to earn it like all new users will have to now!!  Because you guys already got the merits by default ( as per your current rank)  it's easy for you to praise this crap system!!

I can guarantee most of the users who are blindly praising this crap system would not praise if they did not get the merit by default!!  if for some reasons this 'merit' system is abolished then these same members will start praising that decision also...

Anyway, let's see how long this crappy merit 'system' can last long..
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January 27, 2018, 01:56:05 PM
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It's very interesting to see most of the members praising this so called 'Merit' systems are the users who already got lot of 'Merit's by default. They did NOT have to earn it like all new users will have to now!!  Because you guys already got the merits by default ( as per your current rank)  it's easy for you to praise this crap system!!
It's also pretty interesting to see how all the shitposters are starting to rise and come to the meta to complain about this "crap" system. I see this as a good way for people to start posting constructively, at least and not just spam for the sake of farming accounts.
I can guarantee most of the users who are blindly praising this crap system would not praise if they did not get the merit by default!!  if for some reasons this 'merit' system is abolished then these same members will start praising that decision also...

Anyway, let's see how long this crappy merit 'system' can last long..
No shit sherlock. Those who genuinely care about the wellbeing of the forum is obviously praising the merit system. If you can, go on and suggest a better system to eliminate those spammers. The merit system doesn't necessarily make it impossible for people to rank up, I personally would merit someone if I find that their post is genuinely useful and not just something that has been repeated thousands of times.

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January 27, 2018, 02:02:45 PM
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I was not bothered about merits but when I saw this post, it got me thinking a little. And why consider it a slap and say you are at the mercy of your mate just because of merits? I think its an option or a choice left to everyone. Why would you give a price or reward on something you think you dont like giving. Now if you are really after for more merits, maybe try to be more relevant or interesting to people reading. But again its your choice if you will rely what the others think of your posts.

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It's very interesting to see most of the members praising this so called 'Merit' systems are the users who already got lot of 'Merit's by default. They did NOT have to earn it like all new users will have to now!!  Because you guys already got the merits by default ( as per your current rank)  it's easy for you to praise this crap system!!
It's also pretty interesting to see how all the shitposters are starting to rise and come to the meta to complain about this "crap" system. I see this as a good way for people to start posting constructively, at least and not just spam for the sake of farming accounts.
I can guarantee most of the users who are blindly praising this crap system would not praise if they did not get the merit by default!!  if for some reasons this 'merit' system is abolished then these same members will start praising that decision also...

Anyway, let's see how long this crappy merit 'system' can last long..
No shit sherlock. Those who genuinely care about the wellbeing of the forum is obviously praising the merit system. If you can, go on and suggest a better system to eliminate those spammers. The merit system doesn't necessarily make it impossible for people to rank up, I personally would merit someone if I find that their post is genuinely useful and not just something that has been repeated thousands of times.

Exactly what I was going to say. I wouldn't be against everyone starting from zero points, but you could argue that the older users have already earned their merit and maybe it wouldn't be fair to make all the old timers with thousands of quality posts and contributions start from zero either. I would juts suck it up and get busy contributing something constructive as opposed to just futilely complaining about something that was created to try benefit the overall quality of the community.

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January 27, 2018, 02:27:20 PM
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My favorite thing about merit is that you can start a great thread that gets lots of discussion from high ranking members, but you will NEVER get any merit for it. The same people get all the merit because they tow the party line.

Having an opinion and expressing it won't get you merit, you need to learn to have the RIGHT opinion. The right opinion now is that the merit system is great! Just ask all the people with merit, lol.

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January 27, 2018, 02:35:26 PM
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My favorite thing about merit is that you can start a great thread that gets lots of discussion from high ranking members, but you will NEVER get any merit for it. The same people get all the merit because they tow the party line.

Having an opinion and expressing it won't get you merit, you need to learn to have the RIGHT opinion. The right opinion now is that the merit system is great! Just ask all the people with merit, lol.

This is the way it works currently and if you want to get merits and rank up, you will have to do the same. Otherwise, just keep complaining and increasing the activity. Another option is to focus on other sections ( technical discussion, Bitcoin discussion). There is already so much rant about the merit system from other members and did they achieve anything from it ? Isn't it wise to learn from this and move on ?

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January 27, 2018, 02:52:28 PM
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My favorite thing about merit is that you can start a great thread that gets lots of discussion from high ranking members, but you will NEVER get any merit for it. The same people get all the merit because they tow the party line.

Having an opinion and expressing it won't get you merit, you need to learn to have the RIGHT opinion. The right opinion now is that the merit system is great! Just ask all the people with merit, lol.

That is correct as it is here to stay. So get on board, be positive and upbeat. Make some quality posts and you will get merit.

Or moan about it, be a prick, moan about Hero and legendary members getting merit when you don't... then you will just piss people off and get nothing for it.

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January 27, 2018, 02:57:41 PM
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Well, I think about merit as similar to Reddit's upvote except that it's scarce and comments such as ours in this thread are already visible unlike in Reddit, you have to click to see the comments.

So basically if you want to "bring your post to the top", it will need a lot of merits. In Bitcointalk's case, the author gets the privilege of ranking up.

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January 27, 2018, 07:23:59 PM
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This whole Merit system is built with exact same recipe of current capitalist society " Rich getting richer, poor getting poorer" .

when Government introduces new tax or something similar only rich people keeps on praising that.   Exact same way, I am seeing users with default merits are praising this system. 

There is no way a newbie will rank up with this crapy system.  Not every one reads every post. So the chance of a useful post getting buried in a thread is very likely!

The users with merits will keep on merit each other or same as the rich people do charity, they will merit some newbie every now and then to show their generosity and supremacy.

This is exactly same reasoning of government when they say 'BITCOIN needs to be banned because it is used in Crime'  So let's introduce this shitty 'Merit' system because there are spam posters.. well done...
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