'Merit' System is a SLAP to the term 'Decentralisation'

[Niya]

Hello Friends,

First of all, this is just my Opinion.  I think this new 'merit' system is just a new policy same as the capitalist government/bankers do in the name of quality, security bla bla.

Now my rank in the forum depends on others! If some one thinks my post is merit worthy then they will give me merit.  My rank now has to look for the mercy of others! absolutely Crap idea.

Whats happens if a post is good and still no one gives merit??  I am sure this what will happens. I believe many of users here do not bother about giving merit etc.  They come here to learn, share information.

Yes there are spam posters, but you can't impose such as bad system as 'merit' to tackle the spam!  This forum is about cryptocurrency whose main characteristic is 'decentralisation' . But this new 'Merit' system is a 'centralised' system which depends on the mercy of others and that is a BIG SLAP  to the face of 'Decentralisation' 

I understand your disappointment, but there's one thing to consider. You are confusing bitcointalk from Bitcoin. Bitcoin is decentralized (as well as many other cryptocoins) while this forum has never been decentralized. Like almost any other forum, it has its own rules set by the admin.
This new merit system is something similar to what happens on facebook, youtube, etc. where people like or dislike your content.

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[silverleew1]

First of all get it clear fella! This is not a decentralized forum! There is owners/founders of the forum and still taking control of it.
And then..

These merits are shareable but some of the DTs are giving redtrusts because of another abuse created by the new merit system.
how are you going to rank up?if someone intended to give you a lot of merits,would it be called abuse?for example i have 10 hero accounts and i want you to get red trust i can simply give you 50merits at once and report you to these DTs,isnt that funny?

I suppose you are referring to this thread? -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2823221.0
What I see there is not a simple giving a lot of merits resulted in neg-trust, but about whether giving a lot of merits is understandable or not.
It is not about the number of merits that has been sent to some users, but to what post that merit is sent.
Do you think it is believable if a post like "good project", "joining you" and etc has 1 merit on them?
If you said no, I guess you can understand why DT users are tagging those users with neg-trust because their abuse on the merit system is quite clear.

For this example there is a BIG concern about it. Neg-Trust can be easily abused and some member can become a victim of it.
What Reypinioco mentioning is right and clear that some of the members can easily make a person become Redtrusted member by giving them merit to their post that was only replay topics or not really needed to be his/her quality posts on some section.
Are you sure joniboini that if someone giving you merits in your normal post like a replay only will not counted as Neg-Trust by DTs?
Don't be nagging when it happened to you :3. (but of course it is absolutly not me that doing it.. but maybe some people that mad about it :3.)

It's very interesting to see most of the members praising this so called 'Merit' systems are the users who already got lot of 'Merit's by default. They did NOT have to earn it like all new users will have to now!!  Because you guys already got the merits by default ( as per your current rank)  it's easy for you to praise this crap system!!

It's also pretty interesting to see how all the shitposters are starting to rise and come to the meta to complain about this "crap" system. I see this as a good way for people to start posting constructively, at least and not just spam for the sake of farming accounts.

I can guarantee most of the users who are blindly praising this crap system would not praise if they did not get the merit by default!!  if for some reasons this 'merit' system is abolished then these same members will start praising that decision also...
Anyway, let's see how long this crappy merit 'system' can last long..

No shit sherlock. Those who genuinely care about the wellbeing of the forum is obviously praising the merit system. If you can, go on and suggest a better system to eliminate those spammers. The merit system doesn't necessarily make it impossible for people to rank up, I personally would merit someone if I find that their post is genuinely useful and not just something that has been repeated thousands of times.

Lol Holmes~ The problem is a suggestion from us is 99% being ignored and only 0.9% chance that your suggestion will reach them. 0.1% they agree with it. Take example this threads that I make Suggestion 1 and Suggestion 2
Those both suggestion is made when I was NEWBIE! You can check the date :3.
Oh wait! You are already legendary.. Yeah of course then :3.


Okay how about this simple suggestions.. All ranked perished to Newbie again and start from 0 again?
Or at least demoted one rank to All legendary and Hero members or all the ranks so they must earn the title by the merits they should have?
With that.. I think the fairness and the chaos will become clearer :3.
What will happened by this merit system is..
- Farmer will become rich for the opportunity that has been given to them.
Selling merits is easy as shit!
- DTs gonna be ruined by this system and farmer can overwhelm it by giving merits wrongly but intentionally..
- OP's Gonna flooded on all thread sections, especially the region section! Actually my region is already a shit poster place! (of course not all of them)
- FINALLY! IF what I suggested before happened then..
ALL OF YOU WILL NAGGING HERE!! LMFAOOS!

[btcwish1]

Hello Friends,

First of all, this is just my Opinion.  I think this new 'merit' system is just a new policy same as the capitalist government/bankers do in the name of quality, security bla bla.

Now my rank in the forum depends on others! If some one thinks my post is merit worthy then they will give me merit.  My rank now has to look for the mercy of others! absolutely Crap idea.

Whats happens if a post is good and still no one gives merit??  I am sure this what will happens. I believe many of users here do not bother about giving merit etc.  They come here to learn, share information.

Yes there are spam posters, but you can't impose such as bad system as 'merit' to tackle the spam!  This forum is about cryptocurrency whose main characteristic is 'decentralisation' . But this new 'Merit' system is a 'centralised' system which depends on the mercy of others and that is a BIG SLAP  to the face of 'Decentralisation' 

I understand your disappointment, but there's one thing to consider. You are confusing bitcointalk from Bitcoin. Bitcoin is decentralized (as well as many other cryptocoins) while this forum has never been decentralized. Like almost any other forum, it has its own rules set by the admin.
This new merit system is something similar to what happens on facebook, youtube, etc. where people like or dislike your content.

A Like system will be more appropriate rather then this crappy 'merit' system where new users will need to look for the mercy of the high ranked users

[btcwish1]

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Merit broke my life
Today at 05:08:33 AM
Reply with quote  +Merit  #1
Hello everyone!

When only merit entered on the forum, I started testing - I sent various amounts to different people (I tested the functionality). The next day, comrade actmyname lowered me to the trust with the words:
"Gave max merit to a post that clearly did not deserve it.
Likely alt. ".
I maintain my account from 2015 persistently. My account is my work and life. I wrote actmyname, but he ignores me.
Can tell me how to proceed? Yes, I am guilty, but not so much :-(
I sended PM theymos too, but he is silent too.  Embarrassed
why this attitude towards people has become on the forum?"

This is a comment about merit from a legendary user. This explains very well why this 'Merit' is the worst things happened to this forum!  Whoever is supporting this crap system are the same kind of people who backs government decision to control the citizens!!

'merit' is a shitty system harming the forum so get rid of this crap!!  Don't just hold on to your ego admins!

[athanz88]

"   
Merit broke my life
Today at 05:08:33 AM
Reply with quote  +Merit  #1
Hello everyone!

When only merit entered on the forum, I started testing - I sent various amounts to different people (I tested the functionality). The next day, comrade actmyname lowered me to the trust with the words:
"Gave max merit to a post that clearly did not deserve it.
Likely alt. ".
I maintain my account from 2015 persistently. My account is my work and life. I wrote actmyname, but he ignores me.
Can tell me how to proceed? Yes, I am guilty, but not so much :-(
I sended PM theymos too, but he is silent too.  Embarrassed
why this attitude towards people has become on the forum?"

This is a comment about merit from a legendary user. This explains very well why this 'Merit' is the worst things happened to this forum!  Whoever is supporting this crap system are the same kind of people who backs government decision to control the citizens!!

'merit' is a shitty system harming the forum so get rid of this crap!!  Don't just hold on to your ego admins!

I have already read all the posts in that thread and you should too before you brought that in. All the reply there is indeed can be processed by our brain. If there is someone who is sending 50 points to someone who is a lower rank member for a shit post, everyone will think that there is something fishy behind it like merits being sold or merits being given to alt accounts. And people has the right to judge it because it is an unusual move. To remove the negative trust, that person must give some proof to prove that he is innocent but i doubt he can give any kind of proof. But, lets check on to something before we go far, he is a legendary member, but when something new implemented, he didnt check the updates and rules about the system and decided to test it on his own? Do you think it is a great thing to do? Why are you always looking at the bad side?

In my opinion, merit is great, because it will hard people that is incapable of upgrading theirself (mostly like you). And last, this forum is owned by someone and it is centralized, it just happen that this forum talk mainly about cryptocurrency, you don't pay the owner and you do not have the shares of the forum, and then why the hell do you think it is a decentralized forum?

[longlivecapitalism]

I have to agree with one of the initial points the OP has made, namely that ranking up now depends on others. It's the truth. If you make a smart post and no one gets it, you'll get zero merits while someone might make an average post and get credited because people will get that. Not to mention the level of abuse this system can get. If you have many friends in here, you can just have your friends give each other points and you can all level up. Splendid! Let's all sign up our friends!

I do agree that the merit system might reduce spam posts, by the way. However, in doing so, it will promote another kind of rule abuse and in the end, I'm not sure it's worth it. I mean, the moderators have fewer spam posts to monitor (supposedly because we haven't observed the new system at work for a long period of time) but I think it could potentially harm the bitcointalk community in a different way.

[coinforumgentr]

I did not like the merit system. I'm active in the forum for 24 hours, but I will have to wait for compassion from others.

Merit sales have already begun. the forum is hurting.

the old system must be brought back.

[romero121]

Maybe it is slap to the decentralized system, but at some point necessary processing needs to be done. Without that we cannot keep the community in a perfect going as people getting into the network keeps on increasing with more people adopting bitcoin. Possibly this is an effort to make people go good along with bitcoin.

[hilariousetc]

I did not like the merit system. I'm active in the forum for 24 hours, but I will have to wait for compassion from others.

Merit sales have already begun. the forum is hurting.

the old system must be brought back.

Account sales were already happening but does that mean we should get rid of member ranks and the system is broken? No. People will always try to bend or break rules and systems but that doesn't mean the process is futile and the people trying to do so should be punished appropriately. In the meantime you should concentrate on making worthwhile posts and you will achieve the required merit over time.

[OriginTrain]

The real issue was bounty campaign managers not properly screening and disqualifying shitposters from their campaigns. If they did that, none of this would have happened.

[athanz88]

A Like system will be more appropriate rather then this crappy 'merit' system where new users will need to look for the mercy of the high ranked users

A 'like' system like social media would be more appropriate than this crappy merit point system? Are you sure?  Then how about people who have 10-20 alt accounts? They will likely to get 'like' spammed across all of  their account without doing much thing. Post anything shit and spammy, then they will have likes from their alts. It can not be used to against spam and shitposting, it will just encourage them to do more. And nowadays 1 person can have multiple devices that can access internet like pc, notebook, smartphone, imagine how much 'like' will be spammed across their alt accounts.

[hilariousetc]

The real issue was bounty campaign managers not properly screening and disqualifying shitposters from their campaigns. If they did that, none of this would have happened.

Better complain to them then, but poor campaign managers can't solely be responsible. It's the user's fault for being greedy and lazy and just making terrible posts. Now they are going to be forced to put some effort in before they can even get on a campaign but as I've said before punishments still need to be given to ICOs who don't look after their userbase because all thew merit system does is slow people down until they can get the required merit.

A Like system will be more appropriate rather then this crappy 'merit' system where new users will need to look for the mercy of the high ranked users

A 'like' system like social media would be more appropriate than this crappy merit point system? Are you sure?  Then how about people who have 10-20 alt accounts? They will likely to get 'like' spammed across all of  their account without doing much thing. Post anything shit and spammy, then they will have likes from their alts. It can not be used to against spam and shitposting, it will just encourage them to do more. And nowadays 1 person can have multiple devices that can access internet like pc, notebook, smartphone, imagine how much 'like' will be spammed across their alt accounts.

I'm not sure what the difference is between a like and merit, but if he means everyone should be able to give out unlimited 'likes' as merit points then that defeats the purpose and will quickly be abused making it pointless.

[mdayonliner]

But this new 'Merit' system is a 'centralised' system which depends on the mercy of others and that is a BIG SLAP  to the face of 'Decentralisation' 

The whole Bitcointalk.org is a centralised system. You have a central authority like the admin. The fact is for a forum post moderation can not be done pragmatically. May be in future we may be able to create an AI for such operation but for now it's really hard.

PS: Instead of criticising the merit system my advice is try to adopt with it. Every place has it's set of rules if you can not adopt then you can not survive. By the way merit is doing the right job for the forum. You need to open your eyes to see why actually it has been brought on the table.

[fxstrike]

As much as I can see those who received huge amount of Merit do post useless spammy post as well even if it written in good English and its just full of bullying, threatening, abusing lower rank members and suggesting mindless merit related rules that not only burden the admin with more work also impractical.

What need to be done is precisely just apply Merit system to the signature styling availability, so high grade writer can have better signature feature, those who want to do BTC trade relate activity don't have to suffer negative trust for basically talking about Merit and those who just want to discuss BTC still have their seniority ranked properly as usual.

Rank			Signature styling			Merit requirement
All			No styling (including links) allowed. Max 50 characters.			25
All			Max 150 characters.			50
All			Links allowed. Unlimited length.			100
All			Color allowed.			200
All			Size allowed			400
All			Background color allowed			800
All			Everything			1600

*Merit score is just suggestion
**merit sources, initial merit count, merit awarding rules is not discussed in detail here yet