[CANCELED] [GROUP BUY] Hashfast Babyjet 1.09 btc = 2.5%, serraz ESCROW.

[serraz]

i will think about doing escrow if theres enough interest in this. Altho the way OP was just talkign on my channel ill have to have a big think about it.

It is good to see people reasonably talking and considering.  I am open for any help that I can offer to any group buy on hosting any miner at no profit.  I want technology and freedom meow.

Question everything... I really do not want to help people get scammed.. or give all of these hopes of secure almost free hosting and then whoops.. ASIC dev screwed you again.

Agreed i like to try and do what i can for the community. Main reason  started my pools. My issues are al these asic companys offering deal that are to good to be true. The personality of the Person preforming the goup buy also has a impact on the group buys. usally if there offering a deal that would mean everyons loss is the same then i guess as long as your willing to accept the loss on your part its ok but thats up to each person.

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[voxelot]

i will think about doing escrow if theres enough interest in this. Altho the way OP was just talkign on my channel ill have to have a big think about it.

It is good to see people reasonably talking and considering.  I am open for any help that I can offer to any group buy on hosting any miner at no profit.  I want technology and freedom meow.

Question everything... I really do not want to help people get scammed.. or give all of these hopes of secure almost free hosting and then whoops.. ASIC dev screwed you again.

Agreed i like to try and do what i can for the community. Main reason  started my pools. My issues are al these asic companys offering deal that are to good to be true. The personality of the Person preforming the goup buy also has a impact on the group buys. usally if there offering a deal that would mean everyons loss is the same then i guess as long as your willing to accept the loss on your part its ok but thats up to each person.

I am trying to find the most open source and secure solution to these rigs.  I love your work on the pools.. really cool to go to your site and see 0% plastered everywhere.

I have been working with bobsag3 who will be living close to me.  He has teamed up with UltiBit Cointerra Group buys... this may be a direction the OP and others should consider... I plan to host anything I can for the community.

I am also considering starting a group buy for my facilities location where truly open source prices will be the hosting % fee.  (My Father's large facility so all of the fees are up to him.. i could just say they are gaming towers hogging his dual ISPs data and kWh but he has a PHD in CS and is privy to the network and willing to see his son work).

[serraz]

i will think about doing escrow if theres enough interest in this. Altho the way OP was just talkign on my channel ill have to have a big think about it.

It is good to see people reasonably talking and considering.  I am open for any help that I can offer to any group buy on hosting any miner at no profit.  I want technology and freedom meow.

Question everything... I really do not want to help people get scammed.. or give all of these hopes of secure almost free hosting and then whoops.. ASIC dev screwed you again.

Agreed i like to try and do what i can for the community. Main reason  started my pools. My issues are al these asic companys offering deal that are to good to be true. The personality of the Person preforming the goup buy also has a impact on the group buys. usally if there offering a deal that would mean everyons loss is the same then i guess as long as your willing to accept the loss on your part its ok but thats up to each person.

I am trying to find the most open source and secure solution to these rigs.  I love your work on the pools.. really cool to go to your site and see 0% plastered everywhere.

I have been working with bobsag3 who will be living close to me.  He has teamed up with UltiBit Cointerra Group buys... this may be a direction the OP and others should consider... I plan to host anything I can for the community.

I am also considering starting a group buy for my facilities location where truly open source prices will be the hosting % fee.  (My Father's large facility so all of the fees are up to him.. i could just say they are gaming towers hogging his dual ISPs data and kWh but he has a PHD in CS and is privy to the network and willing to see his son work).

The fees will have to go back to 1% soon (gotta pay for servers ) i still think its fair tho. Appriciate your feedback on the website we spent alot of time on the pool. If you do decide to use us for hostign pleaase let me know and we can work out somethign to help your group or hosting area we are always looking for new ways to support what people want.

The BTC pool needs some love were still workign on new features to draw users

[Yogafan00000]

So - yes, you can count me in as committed under two conditions:
- Organize John K. or some other respected member as escort, I'll send 1.1BTC
- If we can not collect enough committed people before HashFast sells rest of batch #1 (35 left, see: https://hashfast.com/shop/babyjet/) money should be sent back immediately, no group buy for later HashFast offers without miner protection.

Good luck to everyone who want to grab this opportunity!

I think merging the group buys to accelerate the group buy completion is a good idea, if you can get it organized.

I will commit to 2 shares at 1.1BTC each (2.2BTC Total) under the same conditions mentioned by itod.

I will also require the organizers personal info (name, address, phone, scan of driver's license or passport), in case of fraud.
Thanks

[itod]

I will also require the organizers personal info (name, address, phone, scan of driver's license or passport), in case of fraud.
Thanks

+1

[voxelot]

So - yes, you can count me in as committed under two conditions:
- Organize John K. or some other respected member as escort, I'll send 1.1BTC
- If we can not collect enough committed people before HashFast sells rest of batch #1 (35 left, see: https://hashfast.com/shop/babyjet/) money should be sent back immediately, no group buy for later HashFast offers without miner protection.

Good luck to everyone who want to grab this opportunity!

I think merging the group buys to accelerate the group buy completion is a good idea, if you can get it organized.

I will commit to 2 shares at 1.1BTC each (2.2BTC Total) under the same conditions mentioned by itod.

I will also require the organizers personal info (name, address, phone, scan of driver's license or passport), in case of fraud.
Thanks

Have you guys seen Ultibits group buy? What would everyone here think about merging there?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=282645.0

Seems very professional to me and I will be living two hours away from the host and have pledged my assistance to him.  I can also host myself if there is high enough demand.

[itod]

Have you guys seen Ultibits group buy? What would everyone here think about merging there?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=282645.0

Seems very professional to me and I will be living two hours away from the host and have pledged my assistance to him.  I can also host myself if there is high enough demand.

I fear it's too late for any group buy targeting HashFast batch #1. Only 15 machines left:
https://hashfast.com/shop/babyjet/
They will almost certainly be sold this evening. People are moving too slow, and to be honest opening poster haven't exactly put this group buy into high gear, posting only once or twice a day.

I'm not a big fan of Cointerra's estimated shipping date, mid-December if I understood correctly. They are very low-risc, but you can probably get bigger reward with a bit more risk.

Too bad we can not organize one decent HashFast group buy/hosting.

[voxelot]

Have you guys seen Ultibits group buy? What would everyone here think about merging there?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=282645.0

Seems very professional to me and I will be living two hours away from the host and have pledged my assistance to him.  I can also host myself if there is high enough demand.

I fear it's too late for any group buy targeting HashFast batch #1. Only 15 machines left:
https://hashfast.com/shop/babyjet/
They will almost certainly be sold this evening. People are moving too slow, and to be honest opening poster haven't exactly put this group buy into high gear, posting only once or twice a day.

I'm not a big fan of Cointerra's estimated shipping date, mid-December if I understood correctly. They are very low-risc, but you can probably get bigger reward with a bit more risk.

Too bad we can not organize one decent HashFast group buy/hosting.

I am with you on a babyjet.  That is the original gruop buy I wanted to start and SebastianJu was kind enough to answer my questions about starting one.  I agree though with only 15 left now it would probably be too late.  

We could organize a post perhaps have Sebastian hold funds till enough are gathered.. again this would probably take too long.. we seem to be the only two interested at this time, and I do not want to waist anyone else's time.

[itod]

I am with you on a babyjet.  That is the original gruop buy I wanted to start and SebastianJu was kind enough to answer my questions about starting one.  I agree though with only 15 left now it would probably be too late.  

We could organize a post perhaps have Sebastian hold funds till enough are gathered.. again this would probably take too long.. we seem to be the only two interested at this time, and I do not want to waist anyone else's time.

I trust Sebastian, he was extremely fair and professional with his six Avalon group buys. If you can get him to start this ASAP maybe there would be enough time, specially if he someone can grab one tonight and slowly sell shares after that. I'm committed to 1.1BTC for 1/40 right now as long as we are into HashFast batch #1. Maybe I'll take more shares later if this succeeds.

Edit:
Sorry ur0pl for hijacking this thread, but you're simply not here.

[ur0pl]

serraz will be home in 10 hours from now. We'll setup the escrow then. He is going to use an offline wallet because blockchain.info is not safe at the moment. Merging group buys is fine if we do not have enough to spread out between two or more.

[voxelot]

i will think about doing escrow if theres enough interest in this. Altho the way OP was just talkign on my channel ill have to have a big think about it.

It is good to see people reasonably talking and considering.  I am open for any help that I can offer to any group buy on hosting any miner at no profit.  I want technology and freedom meow.

Question everything... I really do not want to help people get scammed.. or give all of these hopes of secure almost free hosting and then whoops.. ASIC dev screwed you again.

Agreed i like to try and do what i can for the community. Main reason  started my pools. My issues are al these asic companys offering deal that are to good to be true. The personality of the Person preforming the goup buy also has a impact on the group buys. usally if there offering a deal that would mean everyons loss is the same then i guess as long as your willing to accept the loss on your part its ok but thats up to each person.

I am trying to find the most open source and secure solution to these rigs.  I love your work on the pools.. really cool to go to your site and see 0% plastered everywhere.

I have been working with bobsag3 who will be living close to me.  He has teamed up with UltiBit Cointerra Group buys... this may be a direction the OP and others should consider... I plan to host anything I can for the community.

I am also considering starting a group buy for my facilities location where truly open source prices will be the hosting % fee.  (My Father's large facility so all of the fees are up to him.. i could just say they are gaming towers hogging his dual ISPs data and kWh but he has a PHD in CS and is privy to the network and willing to see his son work).

The fees will have to go back to 1% soon (gotta pay for servers ) i still think its fair tho. Appriciate your feedback on the website we spent alot of time on the pool. If you do decide to use us for hostign pleaase let me know and we can work out somethign to help your group or hosting area we are always looking for new ways to support what people want.

The BTC pool needs some love were still workign on new features to draw users

I just want to say the way you communicate about your fees is enough for people's support.  I intend to do the same.  All fees are reserved for ISP and kWh costs.. actually trying to donate the dual ISPs for as long as possible. More importantly I want fees to be debated by the community for hosting.  The community and share holders get to decide fees.

good to see ur0pl posting again.. I am sorry as well for hijacking your posts and wish you the best of luck and I offer you my services if ever needed.

I have pledged to the ultibit cointerra and hope everything can be merged openly.

Regards!

[ur0pl]

This groupbuy is for 40 shares of a hashfast Babyjet. It is not for a cointerra unit. This groupbuy has conditions of having a weekly picture and weekly receipt as well as zero hosting fees, minus power costs. These are conditions that those other group buys do not meet. This groupbuy is for a hashfast unit, not a cointerra unit. If you want to merge group buys, then there will have to be weekly pictures and zero hosting fees and zero escrow fees. Again, this groupbuy is for a hashfast babyjet, not a cointerra unit. I personally do not believe in cointerra as a company.

[voxelot]

This groupbuy is for 40 shares of a hashfast Babyjet. It is not for a cointerra unit. This groupbuy has conditions of having a weekly picture and weekly receipt as well as zero hosting fees, minus power costs. These are conditions that those other group buys do not meet. This groupbuy is for a hashfast unit, not a cointerra unit. If you want to merge group buys, then there will have to be weekly pictures and zero hosting fees. You say sorry for trying to steal members from this group buy, but you do so blatantly while still trying to do so. Why are you sorry for being disrespectful when you are actively doing the action. I did not go to your posts and try to steal your members. This is not supposed to be a fight, nor war, nor competition where one group buy does a takeover of another. If you want the groupbuys to merge, then offer zero hosting fees, zero escrow fees with someone well known in the litecoin community. Furthermore, your shares are overpriced given the current market conditions. Our shares are 1.08btc and lowered every time bitcoin goes up. I do not like the idea of hidden or extra bitcoin fees. I ask for transparency, which your group buy does not offer. That is not a well way to start off.

I apologize for having it seem as though I am stealing buyers from this group.  

I pledge to contribute to your Baby Jet GB as well.  Much in the same fashion a pledge would be held by other GBs

I have pledged my assistance to others since I will be located close to them and it is only logical and aids trust.  I would do the same for you if logistics supplied such outputs.

[ur0pl]

Okay. I secured another buyer. We now have only 19 out of 40 shares left.

[itod]

This groupbuy is for 40 shares of a hashfast Babyjet. It is not for a cointerra unit. This groupbuy has conditions of having a weekly picture and weekly receipt as well as zero hosting fees, minus power costs. These are conditions that those other group buys do not meet. This groupbuy is for a hashfast unit, not a cointerra unit. If you want to merge group buys, then there will have to be weekly pictures and zero hosting fees and zero escrow fees. Again, this groupbuy is for a hashfast babyjet, not a cointerra unit. I personally do not believe in cointerra as a company.

ur0pl, those weekly pictures are not something we are thrilled about. As far as I'm concerned you can do without them as long as the mining fees come in. Every other hosting has a 24/7 web camera pointing to the devices and streaming to http://www.ustream.tv/ or something. Since the hosting is free I'm not complaining, just to be honest with you. BTW, what are electricity rates at your place?

[ur0pl]

I will install a webcam for the mining unit. Los Angeles electricity rate comes at the bargain price of around .18-.20 cent per Kilowatt an hour. It happens in "Tiers" whereas the lowest tier is charged like .16 cents, and the highest Tier after you use all the lower and middle tier allowance is around .22 cents. I will be working to try to get a low income electricity plan in about a month or two, but even at that price of 15%-20% off, it would be around .16-.17cents on average per Kilowatt per hour. However, yes, I will install a webcam to compete with those other hosting places.

[ur0pl]

Okay, I have the escrow bitcoin address wallet from serraz. It is 17EqnQZtfDQYKGdPesPKRzg9pQp76tzLvs . That is his separate offline wallet address because blockchain.info wallets are not safe right now. After you buy a share by making payment, send me an encrypted message or email telling me that you paid for certain amount of shares. I made an agreement with him that there will be .02btc going to him per share. He will refund the whole entire BTC1.09 if the groupbuy fails. However, I told him he could keep an additional .4btc that I am paying out of my pocket and separate from that for his escrow handling troubles. There are only 19 out of 40 shares left to be sold before we can buy the Babyjet. We are sure to get enough ROI with bitcoin prices up so high recently.

[Yogafan00000]

Okay, I have the escrow bitcoin address wallet from serraz. It is 17EqnQZtfDQYKGdPesPKRzg9pQp76tzLvs . That is his separate offline wallet address because blockchain.info wallets are not safe right now. After you buy a share by making payment, send me an encrypted message or email telling me that you paid for certain amount of shares. I made an agreement with him that there will be .02btc going to him per share. He will refund the whole entire BTC1.09 if the groupbuy fails. However, I told him he could keep an additional .4btc that I am paying out of my pocket and separate from that for his escrow handling troubles. There are only 19 out of 40 shares left to be sold before we can buy the Babyjet. We are sure to get enough ROI with bitcoin prices up so high recently.

Can we get serraz to confirm that he owns this bitcoin wallet address?

I'm looking forward to being a part of the this group buy.
Cheers

[ur0pl]

Can we get serraz to confirm that he owns this bitcoin wallet address?

I'm looking forward to being a part of the this group buy.
Cheers

Sure. That is a good idea. I will ask him when he wakes up. I talk to him frequently on freenode and know him from there, so that is why he was okay to do this escrow. He lives in Australia, so it will be another 4-6 hours from now until he wakes up.

[itod]

Okay, I have the escrow bitcoin address wallet from serraz. It is 17EqnQZtfDQYKGdPesPKRzg9pQp76tzLvs . That is his separate offline wallet address because blockchain.info wallets are not safe right now. After you buy a share by making payment, send me an encrypted message or email telling me that you paid for certain amount of shares. I made an agreement with him that there will be .02btc going to him per share. He will refund the whole entire BTC1.09 if the groupbuy fails. However, I told him he could keep an additional .4btc that I am paying out of my pocket and separate from that for his escrow handling troubles. There are only 19 out of 40 shares left to be sold before we can buy the Babyjet.

ur0pl please do this properly. It is not in your or our interest to do things like this. I thought you are going to get a hero member (not necessarily John K.) as an escrow, but if serraz is your choice it is OK with me.

1) It is not right that you post (unsigned) payment address instead of the escrow.

2) Neither you or him have stated that you have sent him your passport scan with full personal details, and that he may post that here in case of any dispute. Edit: sending him your photo holding the passport will also be a good idea.

3) Neither you or him have stated refund policy, i.e.: "Refunds will be given immediately at any time before payment to HashFast is completed without the need for group buyer to explain the reasons for it."

This is an example of usual escrow statement in a group buy topic:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=238321.msg2532445#msg2532445
It has not have to be done to the point as John K. does, but would not hurt either. Please correct these formalities so we can proceed further. Thanks.

I'll quote your opening post in the next message for the reference.

As a side note:

We are sure to get enough ROI with bitcoin prices up so high recently.

ROI has nothing to do with BTC price, we invest BTC - we get back BTC, if it goes to 1.000US$ or goes back to 10US$ has nothing to do with it if we will profit or not.