verium mining advice

[Travis726]

Im looking to spend a few hundred bucks on some equipment to mine verium. Im not expecting to get rich, but am not sure whether to buy old dual xeon server setups, or a small sbc cluster.

Does anyone have any experience mining verium with xeon e5645's? https://ark.intel.com/products/48768/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5645-12M-Cache-2_40-GHz-5_86-GTs-Intel-QPI

Im trying to decide between something like 2 of those on a server motherboard, or an odroid mc-1 cluster.  The odroids sound like more fun to me, and a single cluster gets from 1500-1600 h/m as far as Im reading (about the same as my old 2600k).  But if I can get more hash from the xeons Id consider them..

WHat specs are important for mining verium?  Memory? the amount or just the speed?  

If anyone can point me to a verium specific forum/thread it would be greatly appreciated (other than the announcement thread here)

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[Travis726]

anyone?...

[Coops9999]

I am pretty new to this too, and I only started mining Verium a few days ago but if this helps, here is what I have noticed...

I have a Dell R620 server with 2x Xeon E5-2660 8 core processors in it, and a few Dell T1700’s with i5-4590’s in them and when I started up the ‘Vault’ I get around 1000 hashes with the i5 (3 cores) and only 2000 ‘ish with the dual Xeon’s with 31 cores and 32 GB of RAM. I backed down to 16 cores and the hash rate is very similar. There may well be a way to tweak miner software to improve that, but there is obviously something that the Verium requires (more Ram, more cache, hyperthreading issue) that is not being satisfied by my hardware and the Verium Vault miner.

I know that isn’t a definitive answer, but if you know how much the odroids cost and how much they hash, and how much less power they most likely use (the dual Xeons in my server pull about 225 watts total when mining) I think the odroids sound like a good option... my 2 cents.

[Travis726]

Thanks for the response. Yeah from what I am reading I thikn sbc's are probably the way to go... The odroid xu4 gets about 350h/m - 400h/m. The mc-1 is essentially 4 of those and pull under 100 watts I believe.  The startup costs will be more expensive with the odroids, but the power draw will make up for it I think.  Based on the numbers from your xeons (which are better than what I have been looking at).  The odroids are looking like the way to go. Which is cool as I can add them xu4 by xu4 ($60 at a time + psu, sd card).

btw, you may want to look into mining in a pool. You cant use the wallet miner, but there is a cpu miner that was setup just for verium.   You can get the github here https://github.com/effectsToCause/veriumMiner  or direct download here https://www.poolsloth.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/YateerWindowsVeriumMiner.zip.  I am really skeptical of links, both these I got from the get started page in the pool Im using. You can link to them here for yourself if you want.  https://vrm.poolsloth.com/index.php?page=gettingstarted

[Coops9999]

I did try a cpu miner and a pool tonight, although not the one you listed, well same pool, different miner (I’ll look into the one you posted) and got a high of 3350 with all 32 cores. I read a document today were people were submitting their rates and the processors I have are listed way higher, which is what made me think something isn’t quite running right on mine... I tried faster ram tonight, but the hashes on the Vault miner were the same, so I guess I can rule that out.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1chS5Ktd9Dy4fuFIjF0-osrxCxl1_U69s9tGWVYNk1jg/pubhtml

I’m in 2 minds about pool vs Solo...I know the pool gets me a somewhat regular payout, but I like the idea of finding a block myself and getting all the reward....might try both on different machines and see... I have been mining Electroneum on all my PC’s but I’m always trying others for experience and education which is part of the fun for me....and I’m sure the Electric Company like it too :-)

[Travis726]

I did try a cpu miner and a pool tonight, although not the one you listed, well same pool, different miner (I’ll look into the one you posted) and got a high of 3350 with all 32 cores. I read a document today were people were submitting their rates and the processors I have are listed way higher, which is what made me think something isn’t quite running right on mine... I tried faster ram tonight, but the hashes on the Vault miner were the same, so I guess I can rule that out.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1chS5Ktd9Dy4fuFIjF0-osrxCxl1_U69s9tGWVYNk1jg/pubhtml

I’m in 2 minds about pool vs Solo...I know the pool gets me a somewhat regular payout, but I like the idea of finding a block myself and getting all the reward....might try both on different machines and see... I have been mining Electroneum on all my PC’s but I’m always trying others for experience and education which is part of the fun for me....and I’m sure the Electric Company like it too :-)

Yeah I have seen that spreadsheet. I dont know what to think of it though as it has the 2600k getting anywhere from 800h/s to 2200 h/s (I get around 1700 h/m on miine.) That and it has  (2) core 2 duos at 2.26ghz with 4 gigs of ram listed at 3500h/m... I kinda doubt someone is getting the same hash from a core 2 due as I get on my (aging) i7.

I hear yah about solo mining. I am just not a lucky person and every day I dont find a block just feels like a waste.  Although the .2 fee that the network charges for transactions hurts (as iti is included in the auto withdrawals also.  For that reason Im gonna end up keeping my coins on the pool much longer than I like to.  I only have two computers mining atm (2600k and 3470), but once I have more hash I will probably solo on a pc or two.

what kind of pay has electronuem been giving you?

edit: that hash on the 4590 does seem low.. I get like 1200h/m on my 3470.

[Coops9999]

Unlock your PM’s from Newbies, I’ll send you what information I’ve been able to figure out so far.

[hominoid]

I have been mining Verium with both XU4's and large intel/AMD servers for awhile and both have their advantages and disadvantages.
Here is a much better site for Verium HW hashrate comparisons that is well maintained and accurate.  There are two sheets, one for SBC's and one for servers/workstations.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1O-hyFS-bqsopttmql6NgYWlWej9rZk_lm5MWivnehXg/edit#gid=0

There is a watts/hash value on the page that will give you an idea on the efficiency of the different HW rigs.  As you already mentioned the cost/hash is also important depending on the capital available to you to invest.  FYI, Odoriod's are approximately 50% more efficient than all but the newest(very expensive) dual processor servers.  I have both because I believe there is an advantage for me.  My advice would be to look for more powerful servers than the Xeon e5645's series if they are still available.  There have been 24 or 32 core AMD Opteron's cheaper/for the same price.  Check the sheet out (and ebay) for ideas.

Profitability Calculator for what it is worth.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1b02BuES4AwZW9kpqzmyrPlEfO55TWdU_mFhgnVaakQ4/edit#gid=366374027

Checkout fireworms fork of veriumMiner which allows for 1-way and 3-way threads and cpuminer-multi for other algo's as well.
https://github.com/fireworm71/veriumMiner/blob/main/README.md
https://github.com/tpruvot/cpuminer-multi/tree/v1.3.1-multi

Pools
https://vrm.mining-pool.ovh/index.php
https://vrm.poolsloth.com/index.php
https://beertendr.com/ (for small miners)
https://vrm.poolinat0r.com/
https://vrm2.poolinat0r.com/index.php (for small miners)
https://pools.bloxstor.com/#/dashboard
https://www.poolium.win/

Verium Stats
http://159.203.58.37:3000/
Verium Blockchain
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/vrm/

I mine both solo and pool as the economics(hash rate and diff.) dictate.  If your just starting out with very little hash rate solo mining will not be profitable.  I hope this helps.
PS all the links above have been around for awhile and should/have been safe.

[Coops9999]

Thanks Hominoid

[Travis726]

Unlock your PM’s from Newbies, I’ll send you what information I’ve been able to figure out so far.

done

[Travis726]

Looks like the mining pool that is not accepting new signups recently got a ton of hash added to it... I cant find any stats but it looks like they have an unhealthy amount of the total hash... It needs to be spread around desperately.

btw, thanks for all the info hominoid (you have the calculator and spreadsheet links swapped btw)..  "There have been 24 or 32 core AMD Opteron's cheaper/for the same price.  Check the sheet out (and ebay) for ideas."  Are you basing that on ebay used prices? Cus I am seeing e5645's for like $20 on ebay. didnt spend much time looking yet but im seeing 16 core opterons for like $100.

[Travis726]

Checkout fireworms fork of veriumMiner which allows for 1-way and 3-way threads and cpuminer-multi for other algo's as well.
https://github.com/fireworm71/veriumMiner/blob/main/README.md
https://github.com/tpruvot/cpuminer-multi/tree/v1.3.1-multi

Wow man, after enabkking the huge pages thing in windows I am getting over 2200h/m on the 2600k.  Thats like a 30 % increase. Thanks man. Waiting on the 3470 to update/reboot to se what if any increase I get there.  I wish I would have known that a wek ago, before the hash jumped on that other pool. On the pool Im on we were getting like a block an hour... As of now we are pushing 6 hours... Im hoping we are getting unlucky and its not going to be the norm.


What other coins are people mining with strickly cpu's... ?

Just got done taking a look at all the pools (since none list total network hash).  As of now it looks like in the pools there is about 250kh/s total. 150kh/s of that is at vrm.mining-pool.ovh. 50kh/s of it is at bloxter (id be ok with that, but it looks like their payout is at 20vrm?!?  So for small miners that dont want to wait months to get to the payout, your options are 3 pools, the most having under 22kh/s, and the other 2 are under 10kh/s.  Once the miners realize how much worse it just got it im sure the small ones will drop in size even more... Do all the miners crushing vrm.mining-pool want to destroy the network?  Im hoping there are enough solo miners to make their hash under 50%, it would have to be like 50kh/s I think.. the wallet gives the net hash in kh/m, im guessing you just divide by 60 to get per second?  If so the net hash is 381kh/s... So at least they are still under 50%... I guess.

[hominoid]

Looks like the mining pool that is not accepting new signups recently got a ton of hash added to it... I cant find any stats but it looks like they have an unhealthy amount of the total hash... It needs to be spread around desperately.

btw, thanks for all the info hominoid (you have the calculator and spreadsheet links swapped btw)..  "There have been 24 or 32 core AMD Opteron's cheaper/for the same price.  Check the sheet out (and ebay) for ideas."  Are you basing that on ebay used prices? Cus I am seeing e5645's for like $20 on ebay. didnt spend much time looking yet but im seeing 16 core opterons for like $100.

Well, like the GPU market the used server and component market has been fluctuating and I haven't followed along in 6 months so I was speaking in very general terms. I was trying to emphasis the point that hashes per $ spent can be more important depending on one's situation.  And with the constant rising hash rate and difficulty, it matters unless you have bottomless resources. It's what a lot of people over look/ignore/doesn't matter about the XU4's.  To match their efficiency you have to pay a lot $ for a hash in the form of Xeon v3's or v4's.  Those same $'s get you even more hash rate from XU4's that can cost you less to run.  Likewise, not knowing your electrical cost and other resources it may not apply to you specifically, which is why it was a general statement.

Other point I didn't make was about the difference in hash rate on the same or similar HW.  The OS, huge pages, locked memory and other configuration changes can make a big difference in your hash rate (5-25%).  That is why you will see difference of hash rate on similar HW.  Make sure if you have a 2/3/4 channel memory controller your memory setup is taking advantage of it.  The other issue is that you will get different hash rates depending on if your solo or pool mining on some architectures.  The hash rate posted is doing which and is it a sustainable rate or peak?

[Travis726]

Right... Any advice on other cpu coins to check out...? Seems like 1 pool just got a ton of hash and am wondering if I should look at other options.  All hash rates I have posted are stable, pool mining

edit: Maybe its not as bad as I thought. The pool is stilling giving me similar estimates and tbh I havent payed that close attention to hash rates..

[hominoid]

Right... Any advice on other cpu coins to check out...? Seems like 1 pool just got a ton of hash and am wondering if I should look at other options.  All hash rates I have posted are stable, pool mining

Search the forum, there are active threads already on other cpu mined coins.  Don't worry about the hash rate distribution, it fluctuates.  That pool was not always the largest but got there by doing a good job with up time and having servers in the US.  The important thing to me is that it is not the most profitable!  Look around and compare regularly, it matters a lot when pool mining.  A lot of the time it is the small pools that are most profitable.  There have been big solo miners (data centers, institutions, etc) stepping in, on and off as well, that change things.

[Travis726]

Yeah Ill give it some time, but switching to that new miner raised my 2600k hash from 1700h/m to 2200h/m and my 3470 from 1200h/m to 1500h/m... Seriously, thank you for pointing that out.. A good 25%-30% increase.

[hominoid]

Yeah Ill give it some time, but switching to that new miner raised my 2600k hash from 1700h/m to 2200h/m and my 3470 from 1200h/m to 1500h/m... Seriously, thank you for pointing that out.. A good 25%-30% increase.

It is the huge pages and/or memory lock that gave you the increase in performance, not the miner.  You'll find that veriumMiner will now see the same or similar hash rates improvements on systems that support huge pages/locked memory.  Most SBC's do not.

For other algo's you can use cpuminer-multi on those who do not and cpuminer-opt for optimized systems (x86_64 with AES-N)/hugh pages.  FYI, If your running any ARM's need the FPU and NEON set to get better performance (add -mfpu=neon, usually in ./build.sh for compiler).

[Travis726]

Yeah Ill give it some time, but switching to that new miner raised my 2600k hash from 1700h/m to 2200h/m and my 3470 from 1200h/m to 1500h/m... Seriously, thank you for pointing that out.. A good 25%-30% increase.

It is the huge pages and/or memory lock that gave you the increase in performance, not the miner.  You'll find that veriumMiner will now see the same or similar hash rates improvements on systems that support huge pages/locked memory.  Most SBC's do not.

For other algo's you can use cpuminer-multi on those who do not and cpuminer-opt for optimized systems (x86_64 with AES-N)/hugh pages.  FYI, If your running any ARM's need the FPU and NEON set to get better performance (add -mfpu=neon, usually in ./build.sh for compiler).

not running any sbc's yet, but will before too long. You mentioned there was a spreadsheet that listed hash rates for sbc's?  Wanna hook me up with the link?  I think you meant to, but both are coming up with desptop cpu's. Unless there is a way to switch between them that im missing.

\edit: found the sbc button at the bottom

[hominoid]

not running any sbc's yet, but will before too long.

Then this might interest you on Dual GPU-CPU mining on the Xu4/MC1/HC1/HC2.
https://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?f=98&t=29571

Hard Kernel Odroid U.S. store
https://odroidinc.com/collections/odroid-single-board-computers

[Coops9999]

OK guys, I can't figure this out.

I have 2 x Xeon E5-2660's (v1) in a Dell R620 server and with Verium (the miner linked earlier cpuminer 1.4) and memory lock of pages on I am only getting around 3000 h/m total. My i5-4590 machines are now getting 1900 (after leaving them running for a while they ramped up from 1200 to 1900, guess I wasn't waiting for that before declaring a 'speed') and I can't figure out why my server is so low in comparison.

I was really expecting more from the server..... There is 4 x 8GB 2Rx4 PC3L - 10600R sticks of memory in A1, A2, B1 and B2 slots.

I have tried 4 x 8GB of 2Rx8 PC3 - 12800U, same slots, and it maybe gained 100 or so hashes, but not much difference.

Is there a setting in the BIOS or Drac maybe I'm missing? Is it a RAM issue?

Oh, I am running Windows 10 on all machines and BIOS updated on the server to latest version.

Appreciate any suggestions....