MarioOnline
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May 26, 2019, 10:44:43 AM |
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Guess that happened before you started working for Freebitcoin |
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TheQuin
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May 26, 2019, 11:27:56 PM |
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Guess that happened before you started working for Freebitcoin
And again you are wrong. Still trying to concoct a lame conspiracy theory rather than understanding the forum rules. |
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dtcxjn
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May 28, 2019, 02:17:18 AM |
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All dice casinos are shit, freebitco.in is one of the worst, they use tiny free bitcoin to lure you to the site to gamble and lose, so they get way more than what they give out, what a business style lol!
The truth of dice is house can win with no house edge even negative house edge. Why? They don't beat you by house edge, they win their money from their algorithm, they will give you high if they want if you keep betting on low and vice versa, they can give you 20 or 50 high in a row in a 50% chance game and still tell you it's fair, there's just no rules. Even if i bet sometimes high sometimes low, i seldom win and neither do almost all the people i talked to, does the algorithm beat you or they can manipulate the bet? What they are doing behind the screen? You don't know and it's very questionable and not transparent at all. They will tell you you can verify the bet, but how much credibility does the sites that verify the bets have?
So even if their algorithm doesn't beat you, their manipulation will. That's my conclusion for all the dice casino and maybe all the betting against the house.
And to those people who post positive reply to this site, you are either brainwashed by this site or just too cheap to have principles.
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TheQuin
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May 28, 2019, 03:06:00 AM |
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The truth of dice is house can win with no house edge even negative house edge. Why? They don't beat you by house edge, they win their money from their algorithm,
That is provably untrue. they will give you high if they want if you keep betting on low and vice versa, they can give you 20 or 50 high in a row in a 50% chance game and still tell you it's fair, there's just no rules. Even if i bet sometimes high sometimes low, i seldom win and neither do almost all the people i talked to, does the algorithm beat you or they can manipulate the bet? What they are doing behind the screen? You don't know and it's very questionable and not transparent at all.
It is completely transparent. That is the difference between a crypto casino and a fiat one. The fiat casino is supposed to use a government certified RNG but there is no way for the customer to prove whether or not they actually did. A provably fair crypto site gives you the tools not only to prove whether the roll was fair or not but to also chose to use a different client seed of your choice if you don't trust the RAND function on your device. They will tell you you can verify the bet, but how much credibility does the sites that verify the bets have?
You don't need to trust the site that verifies the roll because all you need is a SHA256 hash generator and a hex to decimal converter to do it yourself. So even if their algorithm doesn't beat you, their manipulation will. That's my conclusion for all the dice casino and maybe all the betting against the house.
And to those people who post positive reply to this site, you are either brainwashed by this site or just too cheap to have principles.
My conclusion is that you haven't got the first clue what you are talking about. |
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dtcxjn
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May 28, 2019, 05:46:58 AM |
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Ok since you mentioned your provably fair system so many times, i actually did a little research and found freebitco.in changes their server seed every bet which means unless you change your client seed every bet which is tedious, the system already knows your seed and can selectively choose the next server seed to make the number locate in any range they want. Telling me about fair lmao, why do you keep changing your server seed?
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TheQuin
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May 28, 2019, 07:38:36 AM |
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Ok since you mentioned your provably fair system so many times, i actually did a little research and found freebitco.in changes their server seed every bet which means unless you change your client seed every bet which is tedious, the system already knows your seed and can selectively choose the next server seed to make the number locate in any range they want. Telling me about fair lmao, why do you keep changing your server seed?
No. The server doesn't know your seed as it is generated by your device. |
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dtcxjn
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May 29, 2019, 12:27:53 AM |
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Yes it can, because the server seed changes every bet, so unless you do the same to the client seed which is too tedious, the client seed will remain the same, it's so easy to tell the client seed from last bet. And i believe the reason server seed changes every bet is, this site is trying to selectively choose server seed based on last client seed to make the number locate in the range they want.
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TheQuin
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May 29, 2019, 01:06:15 AM |
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Yes it can, because the server seed changes every bet,
Did you really just say that the server knows the client seed because the server seed changes every bet? so unless you do the same to the client seed which is too tedious, the client seed will remain the same, it's so easy to tell the client seed from last bet.
It is too tedious to click randomize client seed? And i believe the reason server seed changes every bet is, this site is trying to selectively choose server seed based on last client seed to make the number locate in the range they want.
You believe wrong again. There are two different implementations of provably fair both with pros and cons and opinion is divided as to which is best. The usage of those two systems is as divided between dice sites as opinions. Whether the nonce is applied to a static server seed or not doesn't change the fact that it is provably fair and that means if it was manipulated you would be able to prove it. How about you try doing that rather than just shouting your mouth off calling scam with no evidence? |
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May 29, 2019, 04:59:35 AM |
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Why is this topic "alive" in micro earnings category...?
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TheQuin
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May 29, 2019, 05:09:29 AM |
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Why is this topic "alive" in micro earnings category...?
Because people keep bumping it like you just did. |
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dtcxjn
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May 29, 2019, 07:30:15 AM |
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See, no matter what you say, that guy always have excuses, nobody is going to random the client seed every bet especially when you are doing autobet,that becomes impossible. You guys keep changing the server seed every bet just because you guys want to manipulate the results. Or please give me one reason for doing that lol. Lots of dice casino especially this site try to make it harder for people to play fairly by designing the system to their benifits. Most of the people don't know and won't change client seeds which makes the casino super easy to cheat, even if you want to change it, you have to change it every bet because the server seeds do. Always trying to take advantage of players. Garbage casino industry!!!
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TheQuin
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May 29, 2019, 07:58:06 AM |
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See, no matter what you say, that guy always have excuses, nobody is going to random the client seed every bet especially when you are doing autobet,that becomes impossible.
You didn't read my last answer. There is a randomize client seed function on the site that you can use with auto-bet. I do have the answers when the questions are so dumb. You guys keep changing the server seed every bet just because you guys want to manipulate the results. Or please give me one reason for doing that lol.
No, we don't do that. The reason is that is how all sites did probably fair back in 2013. Some newer sites have since used an alternative system with static server seed and nonce. It could be argued that the system is slightly easier for players to use but both systems protect the player and allow them to prove fairness. The site gives you the server seed hash before you click roll. The server doesn't know whether you changed the seed or not, it doesn't know how much you bet or at what bet odds and it doesn't know if you bet low or high. It still has to honour the bet and you can prove it if we didn't Lots of dice casino especially this site try to make it harder for people to play fairly by designing the system to their benifits. Most of the people don't know and won't change client seeds which makes the casino super easy to cheat, even if you want to change it, you have to change it every bet because the server seeds do. Always trying to take advantage of players. Garbage casino industry!!!
Lots of people signup newbie accounts on this forum and make false and unsubstantiated allegations based on nothing more than their opinions. I'm still waiting for anything more than that from you. How about some proof of this manipulation or is all this just based on what you *think* happens? |
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dtcxjn
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May 30, 2019, 02:27:20 AM |
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I'm done arguing with this guy, it's a waste of time, i've already stated my points. Experience told me it's so hard to win in a dice game and in theory they do know your client seed if you don't change it every bet. If people want to play on this site, it's none of my business, just want to give those guys piece of advice and do think how many people are actually winning.
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TheQuin
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May 30, 2019, 03:00:13 AM |
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I'm done arguing with this guy, it's a waste of time, i've already stated my points. Experience told me it's so hard to win in a dice game and in theory they do know your client seed if you don't change it every bet. If people want to play on this site, it's none of my business, just want to give those guys piece of advice and do think how many people are actually winning.
You're not done arguing, you never started. All you've done is stated your opinion and been unable to back it up with anything other than what you *think* happens. When I answered your concerns about us 'knowing' the client seed (we don't, we could only guess if you change it or not) you don't have any comeback. You should have a think about this as well. If a provably fair site was to do what you say and use an algorithm that would mean that the servers seeds were not random. If they are not random then they would be predictable. Someone would work that out and be able to create client seeds to get the result they wanted, or even easier just bet low instead of high. Any provably fair site doing that would be cleaned out in a very short period of time. That doesn't apply to traditional fiat sites because they don't give you anything (server seed hash) in advance so they can just send you anything they want as the result after they have seen how you bet. If a provably fair site did that you would be able to prove you were cheated. |
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May 30, 2019, 03:20:30 AM |
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I'm done arguing with this guy, it's a waste of time, i've already stated my points. Experience told me it's so hard to win in a dice game and in theory they do know your client seed if you don't change it every bet. If people want to play on this site, it's none of my business, just want to give those guys piece of advice and do think how many people are actually winning.
your arguments just don't make any sense. you really need to educate yourself about how "provably fair" works. > it means that they are not cheating your rolls > it does not mean that you will never lose - of course you will probably lose over the long term against a 5% house edge! (so they don't need to cheat!) freebit.co.in is an honest and great site and it would risk quickly lose its reputation if it did try anything like you are suggesting |
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dtcxjn
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May 30, 2019, 03:56:47 AM |
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If the system detects a player doesn't change the client seed, it can selectively choose server seed because most likely the player won't change the seed next bet. It's a game of possibility. If system detect player is changing client seed every bet, they can then make the server seed random because it's impossible to guess what the next client seed would be. Only then the system might be fair. But I'm not in this industry, it's the casino's job not mine to study how to cheat in this game. I'm just saying a non-static server seed at least offers the casino possibility to cheat. Whether they are cheating or not, you will never know and have any proof, just like most people who don't know anything about seed and never change it will never know if they are cheated. Another thing that all players should be aware of is that experience tells us the people that win aren't proportionate to those that lose, it would be interesting to see if all players playing on this site post their all time profit data here. Of course casinos can always explain it but that should be able to tell us whether it's a good idea to gamble especially when you are betting against the house. I'm not getting paid for posting here and i've already said enough so bye-bye.
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TheQuin
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May 30, 2019, 04:06:33 AM |
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If the system detects a player doesn't change the client seed,
IT CAN"T KNOW! THERE IS A RANDOMIZE CLIENT SEED OPTION. You still have nothing more than what you *think* happens. You have no arguments at all and haven't answered any of my rebuttals (because you can't) but are still determined to believe what you want. i've already said enough so bye-bye.
Yes, you have said enough of your half-baked opinions that don't stand up to the first line of scrutiny. The real point that you completely miss is that a provably fair system doesn't guarantee that you were not cheated. What it does is give you the ability to prove it if you were. That is equally true of both implementations. Come back with some proof rather than just your theory. |
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dtcxjn
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May 30, 2019, 04:26:43 AM |
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Lol I'm sorry, it takes me a little long to find your client seed option under provably fair, also it's randomized by the SITE unless you mannually input your client seed. Do you understand what i'm saying, the system is at least flawed because of non-static server seed. Tell me what rebuttals do you have i'll answer it right now.
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TheQuin
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May 30, 2019, 04:37:05 AM |
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Lol I'm sorry, it takes me a little long to find your client seed option under provably fair, also it's randomized by the SITE unless you mannually input your client seed.
No. it is randomized by your device. It runs in Javascript so you can inspect the source code. Do you understand what i'm saying, the system is at least flawed because of non-static server seed. Tell me what rebuttals do you have i'll answer it right now.
I understand that you still don't have the first clue what you are talking about even after doing a little research. You're still trying to stretch the facts to fit your prejudice. |
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May 30, 2019, 04:52:40 AM |
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Client seed should only be provided and considered safe after seeing the hashed server seed, it doesn't matter who created it. I already state this a million time if server seed changes under the condition that most people won't change their client seed every bet, client seed is known. Also you did way worth to stretch the facts to fit your prejudice by answering only part of my post.
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