freebitco.in an actual scam

[TheQuin]

Client seed should only be provided and considered safe after seeing the hashed server seed, it doesn't matter who created it. I already state this a million time if server seed changes under the condition that most people won't change their client seed every bet, client seed is known. Also you did way worth to stretch the facts to fit your prejudice by answering only part of my post.

You have indeed stated your opinion many times and totally failed to answer any of the points that I have made demonstrating the errors in your thinking. You could actually prove to yourself whether we are a fair site or but you have no interest in doing that and just wish to continue to spout your bs.

[dtcxjn]

Don't just tell me i failed to answer any of your points, I already asked you to show me which one?

[TheQuin]

Don't just tell me i failed to answer any of your points, I already asked you to show me which one?

Every point you have made I have answered, Read it above yourself. You haven't come back with a single point.

Most importantly you keep ignoring the most pertinent fact.

You could actually prove to yourself whether we are a fair site or but you have no interest in doing that and just wish to continue to spout your bs.

You haven't done anything apart from coming up with a theory that we *could* cheat. I've explained to you that it wouldn't work and it would expose us to someone working out any algorithm used. You totally ignored that.

You obviously have no interesting in learning how to protect yourself from sites and just want to continue believing your theory.

[dtcxjn]

I'm not saying you are actually cheating, I'm just saying non-static server seed is a system that can harm the player, because casino can assume player won't change the client seed and they can change server seed to their benifit, I've already said this odds is good for the site because if the player didn't change their client seed for a few bets, there's a great chance that he won't for the next few bets. So the system is flawed. Also you seem so agreesive and will not accept any opposing opinion from anyone other than defending this site for money. The most important reason i'm writing this is because too many people are losing in the dice game which makes people question their fairness. I'm not saying it's scam, i'm saying the non-static server seeds have problems and people that are winning aren't proportionate to those that lose. I think i've made my point quite clear and i don't want to keep arguing about this subject.

[TheQuin]

I'm not saying you are actually cheating, I'm just saying non-static server seed is a system that can harm the player

And I'm saying you are wrong and you still haven't addressed my point. If a casino did what you suggest and guess that a player hasn't changed their client seed someone would work out they are doing that and exploit it.

Also you seem so agreesive and will not accept any opposing opinion from anyone other than defending this site for money.

Yeah, and you're the picture of calm reasoning....

        All dice casinos are shit, freebitco.in is one of the worst,

The most important reason i'm writing this is because too many people are losing in the dice game which makes people question their fairness.

Which is a natural if irrational response to losing many people have.

I'm not saying it's scam,

Really?

        The truth of dice is house can win with no house edge even negative house edge. Why? They don't beat you by house edge, they win their money from their algorithm, they will give you high if they want if you keep betting on low and vice versa, they can give you 20 or 50 high in a row in a 50% chance game and still tell you it's fair,~

i'm saying the non-static server seeds have problems and people that are winning aren't proportionate to those that lose.

I'm saying that is wrong. Non static server seeds don't cause problems and they still provide a method for customers to prove if they were cheated or not. Do you have any evidence that people lose less at sites using statics server seeds or is this just another one of your theories?

I think i've made my point quite clear

I think the only thing you have made clear is that you think sites cheat but don't have anything to back up that claim.

and i don't want to keep arguing about this subject.

You do a very good impression of the complete opposite.

[dtcxjn]

I tried to make peace with this crazy guy because i'm tired of arguing but he just keeps pushing. Tell me how much is your soul worth? LMAO. You don't understand my point or you do and deliberately keep stressing yours, I said it's to the casino's benefit to selectively choose the seed if a player didn't change his client seed previously, because it's highly likely he won't change it for the next bet, that's why a casino has very little risk doing that. Does that answer your worry about people might work out the server seed and exploit it? It's a stupid question but why is the casino never worried about himself exploiting the players. It's not clear if they are actually doing that, but it at least puts players at risk. Same reason as lots of people who play dice don't change their client seed, they are at risk. Just because casinos don't leave any evidence of cheating doesn't mean they aren't. They are good at going to extreme to think how to take advantage of players while not getting caught. The fact that most people lose in a dice game makes it reasonable for people to question the casino. There's a reason casino has bad reputation and we are taught not to trust them. If you can convince the majority of people in the world to believe gamble is good and gamble on this questionable site, i'll stop talking. Or I'll waste my time to keep talking if necessary just because I believe casino is causing more problems than the good they bring. It's as bad as drug dealing.

[TheQuin]

I tried to make peace with this crazy guy because i'm tired of arguing but he just keeps pushing.

You are still pushing the lie that provably fair site use an algorithm to cheat people. You are only getting tired because you have no answer when I point out the floors in your argument.

Tell me how much is your soul worth? LMAO.

It is part of my job to defend the site from false and libellous allegations. When someone posts falsehoods about us I give our side.

You don't understand my point or you do and deliberately keep stressing yours,

I understand completely. You are not the first person to get it wrong.

I said it's to the casino's benefit to selectively choose the seed if a player didn't change his client seed previously, because it's highly likely he won't change it for the next bet, that's why a casino has very little risk doing that. Does that answer your worry about people might work out the server seed and exploit it?

It doesn't answer it at all. It only takes one person to work it out with a max win of 20 BTC they would clean out the bankroll in no time. That is a huge risk.

It's a stupid question but why is the casino never worried about himself exploiting the players. It's not clear if they are actually doing that, but it at least puts players at risk.

Yes, it is a stupid question. The most important asset a casino has is its reputation. Exploiting players would put them out of business.

Same reason as lots of people who play dice don't change their client seed, they are at risk. Just because casinos don't leave any evidence of cheating doesn't mean they aren't.

Just because you keep repeating the same thing doesn't make it true. A provably fair casino can't cheat without leaving evidence.

They are good at going to extreme to think how to take advantage of players while not getting caught.

Your opinion repeated yet again with no evidence to back it up.

The fact that most people lose in a dice game makes it reasonable for people to question the casino.

It does make it reasonable to question but that isn't what you are doing. You are making a false assertion that they cheat. The answer is obvious. The house edge gives the casino a small statistical advantage that means although some players win and others lose with a large enough sample size the house should come out on top overall.

There's a reason casino has bad reputation and we are taught not to trust them.

That reason is mainly peoples natural reaction to losing.

If you can convince the majority of people in the world to believe gamble is good and gamble on this questionable site, i'll stop talking. Or I'll waste my time to keep talking if necessary just because I believe casino is causing more problems than the good they bring. It's as bad as drug dealing.

Gambling isn't for everybody but there are a large number of people that gamble responsibly for fun. There are also many people that despise gambling and think it is evil. I'm a libertarian and believe that people should be able to make up their own minds what they do with their own money and it is nobody's place to preach to them.

[dtcxjn]

I think anyone can understand that when i say it's to the casino's benefit to change the server seed, because the POSSIBILITY a player will change his seed next bet is low if he doesn't change it previously. It doesn't matter how much the player bet next time, the casino only cares his chance of winning. Plus in this case only the client seed is known, there can be countless server seeds that will make the number locate in a specific region, so it's almost impossible to guess what the next server seed will be. You better understand more about provably fair that you keep talking about every time before you post your stupid point of view.

[TheQuin]

I think anyone can understand that when i say it's to the casino's benefit to change the server seed,

I think anyone can see that have answered that many times and you still just keep repeating yourself without addressing my points. All you have done is repeat your opinions and failed to answer why using an algorithm on a provably fair site wouldn't leave them open to being exploited, failed to provide any proof that people lose less on sites with static seeds and failed to bring a single piece of evidence that backs up your assertions.

It doesn't matter how much the player bet next time,

Of course it matters. If someone was player against an algorithm they would bet small until they knew the next result was going force them to lose, then they would bet max win on the opposite result. Unlike a non-provably fair casino the result is decided the moment they click roll and it can't be changed with out that being provable.

Plus in this case only the client seed is known, there can be countless server seeds that will make the number locate in a specific region, so it's almost impossible to guess what the next server seed will be.

Of course it impossible to guess the next server seed as you only have the hash. It is also impossible in a static system unless you've cracked SHA256 in which case you wouldn't be wasting your time exploiting a casino.
It is also impossible for us to know if you change your client seed or not and guessing that would leave us open to being exploited.

You better understand more about provably fair that you keep talking about every time before you post your stupid point of view.

I'll leave the readers to decide which of our opinions is stupid.

[zoro69]

  you always speak of dice game nobody speak of fishing attack and false betting proposal you forget that a scamer make good profit with fisching attack and false betting proposal and also betting on dice maybe lot of profit on dice and in another way a good profit in fisching attack and false betting proposal.with 20 millions users a single fisching proposal can make more than 100 btc of scam attack you knoxw what is fisching  you always have stupid boy who make a bet  in losE it s just free money for free bitcoin   YOU WANT TO DROWN THE FISCH ALWAY you speak technical for prooff your not a scamer but you are

[TheQuin]

you always speak of dice game nobody speak of fishing attack and false betting proposal you forget that a scamer make good profit with fisching attack and false betting proposal and also betting on dice maybe lot of profit on dice and in another way a good profit in fisching attack and false betting proposal.with 20 millions users a single fisching proposal can make more than 100 btc of scam attack you knoxw what is fisching  you always have stupid boy who make a bet  in losE it s just free money for free bitcoin   YOU WANT TO DROWN THE FISCH ALWAY you speak technical for prooff your not a scamer but you are

I always ask for proof of any allegations. Where is yours?

[zoro69]

  i tell you about the proof to go on the site when it s time to bet on ufa league  and i have send the odds of bet before you can see barcelona is out and have a better odd than tottenham who is not out you can see the proff on the site i tell you before that but you say it s my fault and you are so happy and better with you but i d on t know the game is end but maybe there is other false betting proposal you can go on freebitco and hunt the scam betting proposal maybe if you have the time so thanks to have reply to me have a good day

[TheQuin]

i tell you about the proof to go on the site when it s time to bet on ufa league  and i have send the odds of bet before you can see barcelona is out and have a better odd than tottenham who is not out you can see the proff on the site i tell you before that but you say it s my fault and you are so happy and better with you but i d on t know the game is end but maybe there is other false betting proposal you can go on freebitco and hunt the scam betting proposal maybe if you have the time so thanks to have reply to me have a good day

It is still the same answer as it was the last time you posted this.

i bet yesterday and you can always bet on team out of competition i m stupid

I couldn't have put it better myself. If someone places a bet on an outcome that is no longer possible they have not been scammed they just made a mistake and should take responsibility for their own actions.

You making a mistake is not a scam.

[zoro69]

  i think i t s more a mix of fisching with add and social engineering  with honey pot.and not a simple mistake if some one put you in the wrong direction and allows you to bet on events who is no mor valide it s more than a simple mistake .but i d on t have the word i speak bad english .so bye thanks.

[TheQuin]

i think i t s more a mix of fisching with add and social engineering  with honey pot.and not a simple mistake if some one put you in the wrong direction and allows you to bet on events who is no mor valide it s more than a simple mistake .but i d on t have the word i speak bad english .so bye thanks.

I still think you think wrong.

[assosacro]

i think i t s more a mix of fisching with add and social engineering  with honey pot.and not a simple mistake if some one put you in the wrong direction and allows you to bet on events who is no mor valide it s more than a simple mistake .but i d on t have the word i speak bad english .so bye thanks.

I still think you think wrong.

I still think you are a scam. Clown.

You steal deposits and your system is totally biased.
People should Stay Away from this site.

[gekobox]

I read the thread partially and I don't know if there is someone who defends your point of view ... maybe it's not a problem of the site, but of the network: the site or perhaps the entire network detects that there is a computer OUT OF THE NET with greater computing power and don't want to lose !!!
Seriously, I also noticed that since using TamperMonkey I no longer take any lucky number except the normal free roll.
Who knows

[gekobox]

is there anyone who can post 15 straight wins? I had the courage to post my loss, is anyone lucky (or smart, or a math genius) enough to deny this post and make me feel less sad?
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https://imagetwist.com/2kk63rezhvjk/last.jpg
nobody? if you want I can post my 21 consecutive losses this winter but I have to go back a bit in roll history 

[Goldmansnacks]

I'm not saying you are actually cheating, I'm just saying non-static server seed is a system that can harm the player, because casino can assume player won't change the client seed and they can change server seed to their benifit, I've already said this odds is good for the site because if the player didn't change their client seed for a few bets, there's a great chance that he won't for the next few bets. So the system is flawed. Also you seem so agreesive and will not accept any opposing opinion from anyone other than defending this site for money. The most important reason i'm writing this is because too many people are losing in the dice game which makes people question their fairness. I'm not saying it's scam, i'm saying the non-static server seeds have problems and people that are winning aren't proportionate to those that lose. I think i've made my point quite clear and i don't want to keep arguing about this subject.

This is a really old thread and I found your post through a google search after suspecting shady business myself and coming to the exact same conclusion you did When discovering the site changes the server seed on each roll.  In fact I tweeted a question to the site account a few hours ago (https://twitter.com/el_diablo_robot/status/1411192780735627266?s=21)

I’m intimately familiar with both cryptography and the provably fairness system. There is no reason the site should generate a new server seed on every roll, in fact it should be global for every user and rotated daily while providing the hash for verification.

Here are the problems:
1.  Changing the client seed for every roll is both tedious and unrealistic
2.  Far more important, If the server seed changes for every roll, the only truly predictable variable in the equation is the nonce and it doesn’t even matter if the client seed is generated by the server or the user and here why:

Say for example the user changes his client seed, and rolls low.  The client sends the client seed and nonce to the server for calculation.

The server could then go:

for (int i = 0; i < seedList.length(); i ++)
{
     result = calculateRoll(nonce, seedList\[i\], clientseed);

     if (result > lowRoll)
         return result, seedList\[i\];
}

So it doesn’t even matter if we change the client seed since the server can select from a list of favorable server seeds once it has possession of the other two variables. 

What’s the reason for changing the server seed if not for manipulating the outcome?    Generating a cryptographic key is an computational expensive operation so performance savvy engineers do this only when absolutely necessary.  So what’s the necessity here?

[Goldmansnacks]

I'm done arguing with this guy, it's a waste of time, i've already stated my points. Experience told me it's so hard to win in a dice game and in theory they do know your client seed if you don't change it every bet. If people want to play on this site, it's none of my business, just want to give those guys piece of advice and do think how many people are actually winning.

Where can we see the server seed hash before rolling high or low?  I’ve looked all over and can’t find it.  All I can find is the aftermath once a bet has been placed.  If this is true that you provide the server seed hash before the rolls then that’s all I need to see and would agree you’re fair.