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January 30, 2018, 04:46:28 PM |
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Hi guys, I'm sure this question gets asked a lot but I didn't find a thread that helped me. Please link one that you think will help if you are just going to complain about that.
Last year I bought a 1050ti and I've mined with it occasionally but the resulting profits have been enough for me to want to upgrade to a better GPU or even multiple.
I have:
Antec Earthworks Platinum EA-650 Power Supply
Intel i5-4590 CPU
MSI Z97M-G43 motherboard
I don't think other parts matter, and the case is huge. I'm confident it could hold 2 GPUs comfortably. It's a Milestone Kublai KL05 computer case. In case I'm wrong, it has 16 gigs of Gskill sniper ram and an SSD and 2 HDs.
So what do you think is my best move? Should I be switching to AMD and building a new system entirely? Should I be buying 2 1080ti? or is 2 1060 or 1070 more profitable? I've read varying opinions already, which is why I'm asking here again with, hopefully, all of the specifics you need.
Further, can my system even handle 2 1080ti or whatever else is recommended? And what about those new Nvidea GPUs? The Titan V or XP? Should I just wait for those to come out? Are there some other GPUs I don't know about on the horizon? So many more questions... Do I need to upgrade my power supply? My CPU feels a little outdated at this point.
I guess my budget is around $2500, flexible. One other factor that might matter is power is pretty expensive here. Consider it an average of 10 cents per kwh.
I'm not going to mine any particular algorithm or anything like that, but I'd prefer not to be restricted from mining a particular coin or algorithm because of restrictions like GPU RAM size or whatever people will come out with next. At least for a couple years or something.
The 1050ti was a great entry GPU for me, but I'm not ready to build a rig yet. I just want to upgrade the GPU in the family room PC, lol.
Or should I skip all of this and just buy the new Antminer A3? I don't like that they want to take BCH. I don't want to pay in BCH.
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ivakar
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January 30, 2018, 05:01:53 PM |
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I think your psu will not handle 2x gtx 1080ti, but i think it can handle 2x gtx1070ti.
And my guess this gpu will be your best bet. imho.
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Perryl (OP)
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January 30, 2018, 05:06:03 PM |
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I think your psu will not handle 2x gtx 1080ti, but i think it can handle 2x gtx1070ti.
And my guess this gpu will be your best bet. imho.
Thank you. That's a helpful start. Would it make sense to upgrade my PSU to be able to support 2 1080ti? Which manufacturer would you recommend? There are many different 1070ti. I am partial to the 3 fan look, but really am not that knowledgeable about parts overall. |
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January 30, 2018, 06:20:02 PM |
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Well its not a matter of which GPU is the best that you can buy, but what can you find? Not only are most all the cards at least 60% more expensive, they are also sold out. You have 2 choices with an acceptable ROI time involved. Buy a Titan XP from Nvdida for $1200 (Sorry, Star Wars Edition sold out), or Buy a bunch of 1050 ti.
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January 30, 2018, 06:30:31 PM |
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Well its not a matter of which GPU is the best that you can buy, but what can you find? Not only are most all the cards at least 60% more expensive, they are also sold out. You have 2 choices with an acceptable ROI time involved. Buy a Titan XP from Nvdida for $1200 (Sorry, Star Wars Edition sold out), or Buy a bunch of 1050 ti.
It seems to me that a large number 1050 ti will be more profitable. But now it seems to me unprofitable to buy the GPU. The price of the cryptocurrency is dropping the price of the GPU is increasing. Perhaps now we need to take a break. You risk nothing. Crypto currency will rise in price. You sell the coins and buy a cheaper GPU. If demand is reduced then the speculators will lower the prices of the GPU. |
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January 30, 2018, 06:41:33 PM |
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I think your psu will not handle 2x gtx 1080ti, but i think it can handle 2x gtx1070ti.
And my guess this gpu will be your best bet. imho.
Thank you. That's a helpful start. Would it make sense to upgrade my PSU to be able to support 2 1080ti? Which manufacturer would you recommend? There are many different 1070ti. I am partial to the 3 fan look, but really am not that knowledgeable about parts overall. Two 1080ti (Asus Strix 3 fans) consumes 600W (one is 300W) at max overload + rest of the PC (150W) = you need at least 850W PSU (recomended 1000W) Two 1070ti (Palit SuperJet stream) consumes 360W (one si 180W) al max overload + rest of the PC (150W) = you need at least 650W PSU (recomended 850W) Corsair is always best choice, some series have 5, some 7 years warranty. I prefer RM1000x (i have them on all my rigs, some rigs with one and some with two) |
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January 30, 2018, 06:59:14 PM |
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If you are fine to invest on huge amount you can choose the cards such as Rx 570 8 GB, Nividia 1070ti and Nividia 1080ti These cards are best in the market for example it may give upto 36 to 46 M/H for mining Ethereum.
You cannot find the same hash rate for all the coins. It differs the mining power for each coins. This may find the cheap hash power for other coin.
Average amount you can bear to start mining you can go with the Nvidia 1060 6GB or Rx 470 4 GB cards. I personally use these cards to mine the altcoins such as siacoin, Zec and ethereum. I am really conformable with this earning alone for my monthly expenses.
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January 30, 2018, 07:06:48 PM |
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Well its not a matter of which GPU is the best that you can buy, but what can you find? Not only are most all the cards at least 60% more expensive, they are also sold out. You have 2 choices with an acceptable ROI time involved. Buy a Titan XP from Nvdida for $1200 (Sorry, Star Wars Edition sold out), or Buy a bunch of 1050 ti.
Even the 1050 Ti's are overpriced right now. They cost as much as what a 1060 6GB used to cost a few months back. Right now is not a good time to be buying graphics cards unless you find something at msrp. |
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smoolae
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January 30, 2018, 07:11:47 PM |
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Nvidia 10 series (GTX 1060 and up), AMD RX Series (RX 470 and up). Of course, you can do mining with lower spec cards too, but then you have to take the following into consideration: E.g: RX 460 does up to 14 Mh/s on ETH, one BIOS modded RX 480 can do 30+ Mh/s. Let's say you want to mine ETH at around 150 Mh/s - you can buy 5 RX 480s or around 10 RX 460s to get this result. Usually, more GPUs on a MOBO causes more problems with your rig -> more downtime -> lost money. Also, more GPUs take UP more room.  |
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Perryl (OP)
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January 30, 2018, 10:36:28 PM |
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I think your psu will not handle 2x gtx 1080ti, but i think it can handle 2x gtx1070ti.
And my guess this gpu will be your best bet. imho.
Thank you. That's a helpful start. Would it make sense to upgrade my PSU to be able to support 2 1080ti? Which manufacturer would you recommend? There are many different 1070ti. I am partial to the 3 fan look, but really am not that knowledgeable about parts overall. Two 1080ti (Asus Strix 3 fans) consumes 600W (one is 300W) at max overload + rest of the PC (150W) = you need at least 850W PSU (recomended 1000W) Two 1070ti (Palit SuperJet stream) consumes 360W (one si 180W) al max overload + rest of the PC (150W) = you need at least 650W PSU (recomended 850W) Corsair is always best choice, some series have 5, some 7 years warranty. I prefer RM1000x (i have them on all my rigs, some rigs with one and some with two) So it sounds like my PSU probably wouldn't support 2 1070ti very well. Thanks for your input. |
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Perryl (OP)
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January 30, 2018, 10:39:39 PM |
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If you are fine to invest on huge amount you can choose the cards such as Rx 570 8 GB, Nividia 1070ti and Nividia 1080ti These cards are best in the market for example it may give upto 36 to 46 M/H for mining Ethereum.
You cannot find the same hash rate for all the coins. It differs the mining power for each coins. This may find the cheap hash power for other coin.
Average amount you can bear to start mining you can go with the Nvidia 1060 6GB or Rx 470 4 GB cards. I personally use these cards to mine the altcoins such as siacoin, Zec and ethereum. I am really conformable with this earning alone for my monthly expenses.
Yeah, but you just stated all my options like... I get that I have these options. I'm trying to determine which would be most effective. Not making assumptions like drastic changes in pricing or anything. Totally understand that others might not think it's profitable to mine shitcoins, but I do it. I'm purely looking for technical feedback. Which of those cards would be the most effective for ROI? Is 3 1060ti better than 2 1070ti? I need to find that balance of power supply vs cost for just a normal PC that is going to be running in the family room 24/7. Used for streaming, porn, streaming porn, and mining. |
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Perryl (OP)
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January 30, 2018, 10:44:18 PM |
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Nvidia 10 series (GTX 1060 and up), AMD RX Series (RX 470 and up). Of course, you can do mining with lower spec cards too, but then you have to take the following into consideration: E.g: RX 460 does up to 14 Mh/s on ETH, one BIOS modded RX 480 can do 30+ Mh/s. Let's say you want to mine ETH at around 150 Mh/s - you can buy 5 RX 480s or around 10 RX 460s to get this result. Usually, more GPUs on a MOBO causes more problems with your rig -> more downtime -> lost money. Also, more GPUs take UP more room. Definitely. This is not for a rig, this is for a general use PC that is on 24/7 already for other reasons and since it is on should be making me some money. I don't think this tower could support any more than 3 GPUs and I'm not even sure it could handle that. But does it even make sense to buy 2 - 3 1080ti? I read somewhere that the 1070 had the best ROI and of course people are shouting about the 1060 a lot too. Some of this is about availability... I guess I should have bought one a few months ago when I first thought of it. lol. I just want to know which one has the most potential, technically, to hash the most. How I ROI from that is up to me. |
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January 30, 2018, 11:16:28 PM |
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I personally like the RX570/580 cards. Last month I was buying them for 300-330 each, hard to catch in stock but possible. I average 29mh/s for Eth while dual mining and about 125w per card. I wouldn't put more than 2 cards in a standard desktop unless you're using PCIE risers and have the cards mounted external to the case (ugly, but possible). I don't have experience with the nvidia cards, imo they normally seem more expensive initial investment. AMD cards seem to hash better on Ethereum compared to equivalent performance nvidia cards (Ethereum is what I want to mine). Nvidia cards do better on other coins, I believe Equihash algo, than the AMD cards. I ran 2 cards in my desktop while I was waiting on my server power supply to arrive from China for my dedicated rig. It's possible, but I'm much happier not mining on my main computer. When I want to play a game, i don't have to make sure to turn my primary card off mining first, etc. Sometimes I would accidentally overstress something and my computer would crash. Dedicated mining rig stays up all the time and keeps me warm in the winter  |
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January 31, 2018, 12:37:20 AM |
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I was interested in mining with the titan xp's, do they stand up well to mining and are they worth it at this point to buy them? I'm just trying to figure out my next move with cards and really considering a titan xp unless someone else can tell me why I shouldnt.
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mattyforcrypto
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January 31, 2018, 02:00:43 AM |
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I personally like the RX570/580 cards. Last month I was buying them for 300-330 each, hard to catch in stock but possible. I average 29mh/s for Eth while dual mining and about 125w per card. I wouldn't put more than 2 cards in a standard desktop unless you're using PCIE risers and have the cards mounted external to the case (ugly, but possible). I don't have experience with the nvidia cards, imo they normally seem more expensive initial investment. AMD cards seem to hash better on Ethereum compared to equivalent performance nvidia cards (Ethereum is what I want to mine). Nvidia cards do better on other coins, I believe Equihash algo, than the AMD cards. I ran 2 cards in my desktop while I was waiting on my server power supply to arrive from China for my dedicated rig. It's possible, but I'm much happier not mining on my main computer. When I want to play a game, i don't have to make sure to turn my primary card off mining first, etc. Sometimes I would accidentally overstress something and my computer would crash. Dedicated mining rig stays up all the time and keeps me warm in the winter Totally agree with you, especially if you plan closing the case, it will get hot in there very quickly, requiring faster fan speeds which leads to higher power consumption and noise. Wish I got into all this mining a bit earlier, still bought my 1060 at a reasonable price compared to now, but still way too expensive. I thought about 1050tis, they're good, but you will need more mainboards and so on, so not sure if it's really worth it and the 4gb may be too low by the end of 2018, nobody will buy them, so resale value is not high either. |
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January 31, 2018, 04:28:18 AM |
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Based off budget, specs, and 80% of capacity of 650W PSU= 520W, appears 2 x 1070 ti would be the better in terms of cost, performance, and obsolescence.
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ikicha
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January 31, 2018, 04:40:20 AM |
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At this time : NO
Why? Because GPU card is rare now. shortage, and overprice at the moment
Good card for mining is, RX VEGA, RX 580, RX 570, GTX 1070, GTX 1060 6G
You can choose with your budget
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January 31, 2018, 06:31:17 AM |
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the profits are falling down, so I'm sure the price for card will begin to fall as well, because of that
soon more card will flood the market at attractive prices and then you can easily pick what you want
in terms of some varieties -it's better to choose nvidia, you will have more coins to choice for mining
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January 31, 2018, 06:56:01 AM |
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NVIDIA : Relatively silent, power efficient, better thermal management.
AMD: Cheaper Price, Excellent in Ethash.
but for now, conditions price GPUs AMD or NVIDIA very expensive.
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Perryl (OP)
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January 31, 2018, 11:29:03 AM |
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I was interested in mining with the titan xp's, do they stand up well to mining and are they worth it at this point to buy them? I'm just trying to figure out my next move with cards and really considering a titan xp unless someone else can tell me why I shouldnt.
That's one of the reason's I started the thread. I could buy 1080ti, but they're already a year old or so and I figured something new was coming and the Titans are what's new. I figure a Titan has gotta be better than a 1080ti and will depreciate less in the next year than a 1080ti would. |
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