Electricity at 0 cost with this development

[WSDN]

With this type of energy the mining cost in the future is possible be 0
motor magnetico argentino
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAIG0-lNSEs

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[mpfrank]

Million-to-one odds it's a scam. 

[drawingthesun]

With this type of energy the mining cost in the future is possible be 0
motor magnetico argentino
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAIG0-lNSEs

At best the energy out will equal energy in. (The energy used to start and maintain the devices speed)

Lets put it this way, there are no magnetic spinning wheels that just turn forever.

In 99.9999% of cases some energy will be lost from friction, the electrical generation system, etc...

See:
http://blogs.howstuffworks.com/2009/04/28/the-lure-of-perpetual-motion/
http://www.thescienceforum.com/physics/7748-why-magnetic-perpetual-motion-wont-work.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion

[liquidsilver]

Kristina, Galuccio, Kicillof and De Vido are saved. Argentina Potencia!!!

[Bicknellski]

With this type of energy the mining cost in the future is possible be 0
motor magnetico argentino
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAIG0-lNSEs

Better off with pig shit. Literally.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmCchKqieCE

[Cluster2k]

Energy cannot be created, and it cannot be destroyed.  There is no 'ether' background energy in the universe to tap into and exploit without cost.  Plenty of youtube videos claim otherwise but the claims are always, without exception, frauds or jokes on gullible viewers.

[Mik]

Million-to-one odds it's a scam.  

I bet a Billion  

Well actually Biogas works indeed if you happen to be a farmer, at least here in Austria!

[frankenmint]

Wikipedia and others say that it breaks the 2nd law of thermodynamics if it is indeed a perpetual motion machine and is thus not possible.  Even a tidal waves machine which would seem to work forever is using the massive force of the earth for mechanical motion on water turbines.

 

[davewr2013]

The motor is under a "no load" condition -- nothing attached of any great load - just the LEDs and a bit of mechanical and air friction etc.

The ultimate test is whether it can do useful work. A loaded motor was not demonstrated.

When he shows it driving some know load -- then it will be of interest.

[Vycid]

Perpetual motion machines have always intrigued me, as a book seller I have

seen 100's of drawings and schematics in more than a few books. But alas, it is a dream:

every one has failed under examination, except for a clock in England which worked under

barometric pressure, so it really wasn't perpetual motion per se. But the genius the pursuit

has generated is amazing in the diversity of machines and philosophical approach.


Yeah, most if not all of it is BS, but someday, somewhere, someone WILL find and

exploit some bizarre effect we do not see or understand today, to make things so

ultra-efficient, it might for all practical purposes be considered "free" energy,

although by the numbers the equation would balance out.

Save yourself the time. We have fundamentally proven that perpetual motion machines are impossible. The branch of physical science responsible for that proof is called "thermodynamics". If this is an area of interest to you, I suggest you pick up a book on thermodynamics.

[Vycid]

If you can read and understand me, you would see that

I only suggest that ultra-efficient systems might someday

give a level of performance that is unanticipated, giving

the appearance of so called free energy, while in reality being

in line with the applicable laws of physics.

The expense of the fuel and the efficiency of its conversion to usable work is less important than you think.

For example - nuclear fission power plants spend very little on uranium fuel per MW-h, and are relatively efficient (steam turbines). Yet they are more expensive than coal - why? Because of all of the expense of building such complex facilities and keeping them safe.

As a real world example - there are ways to negate the effects of bearing friction in a turbine, such as magnetic levitation. But you'll never find a magnetically levitated turbine in a power plant, because magnetically levitating the turbine is more expensive than the value of the energy saved.

This is "free energy": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroelectricity

[Klestin]

If you can read and understand me, you would see that

I only suggest that ultra-efficient systems might someday

give a level of performance that is unanticipated, giving

the appearance of so called free energy, while in reality being

in line with the applicable laws of physics.

If you had said that it gave the appearance of perfect efficiency, that would be fine.  The appearance of free energy would require getting more out than was put in, something that is not possible.

[Bitweasil]

If it works, bitcoin mining is one of the least useful things you could do with free electricity.

Think about the profits and carbon credits you could claim!

To clarify: Anyone who is trying to convince anyone ELSE they have found a way to make free electricity... hasn't.  If they had actually done what they claimed they had done, they would be laughing about it from their private islands.

[Vycid]

No argument that our levels of efficiency are limited,

I fully understand that energy cannot be created or destroyed,

but the constraints of today you mention are the conquered challenges of the future.

I'm not being optimistic. Just look at the development of weapons, computers and power generation.

Its really an experience to read an Engineer's Manual from 1878, a medical treatise from 276 AD,

or a shortwave radio operator's manual from 1936.

All the crap they were concerned with and conjectured upon is solved, surmounted or understood.


To reiterate, I agree there is no such thing as "Free Energy" but heck, let the dreamers dream.

Knowledge for the sake of knowledge, this is a true gentleman's pursuit.

Where's the harm besides lost leisure time, so long as they are not scamming?

I have to admit, I did not view the OP's link, figuring is was nonsense.

Thermodynamics is not going to be a "conquered challenge of the future", sorry. There's a thing called entropy.

An internal combustion engine will never exceed the Otto cycle efficiency. A battery will always have loss associated with reaction entropies and internal resistance. Even type II superconductors have certain losses associated with them (and type I superconductors will never operate at room temperature).

The universe itself is headed for inevitable heat death and nothing can be done about it, no matter how impressed you are by the progress we have made since 276 AD.

[polarhei]

Million-to-one odds it's a scam. 

I think so as there is lost during the transformation. I currently know the lowest energy wasted is between 5% and 10%, hydro-power , isn't it?

The advanced one loses 30% for dealing with transformation.

The current (coal, nuclear) is 60%, If correct.

The "Junkie" loses 80% to move up.

[aurel57]

There is no free lunch.

[silverbox]

hmm what about plutonium.. It's new under the sun..

[Cluster2k]

hmm what about plutonium.. It's new under the sun..

Contrary to popular belief, plutonium is not a synthetic element:

Quoteth wiki: "Plutonium is the heaviest primordial element by virtue of its most stable isotope, plutonium-244, whose half-life of about 80 million years is just long enough for the element to be found in trace quantities in nature."

[Cluster2k]

No argument that our levels of efficiency are limited,

I fully understand that energy cannot be created or destroyed,

but the constraints of today you mention are the conquered challenges of the future.

I'm not being optimistic. Just look at the development of weapons, computers and power generation.

That's a popular ruse of zero point energy proponents.  Distracting the audience with 'look how far we've come, what was once thought impossible is now an every day experience' while selling a technology they have failed to demonstrate.  Throw in some jargon about tachyon and spinning magnetic fields and the scene is complete.

To reiterate, I agree there is no such thing as "Free Energy" but heck, let the dreamers dream.

Knowledge for the sake of knowledge, this is a true gentleman's pursuit.

Where's the harm besides lost leisure time, so long as they are not scamming?

I have to admit, I did not view the OP's link, figuring is was nonsense.

The problem is the dreamers dream and the suckers spend money buying plans after seeing a fake demonstration on YouTube.  People are free to spend their time and money as they please, but pursuing a technology that has been shown countless times and over centuries to be based on self delusion and fraud is a total waste of time.

[FarSky7]

Yeah OK dad, I'll stop dreaming. 

Jeez, its like every time I log on to Bitcointalk.org I get torn a new asshole.

Its like a fresh hot cup of cyber-sodomy in the morning, thrown in my face. 

I do not believe in the existence of Free Energy, but I suppose you have the notion I do.

Well, have at it, but I warn you I might ask for a btc donation for reconstructive surgery.