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January 31, 2018, 11:11:21 PM
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So i had an idea , But i was curious on what i would need to make it work.

So let's say you launch a ICO. The ICO included artificial intelligence to make daily trades for users (0.5-3.5% daily return). Example. We would take 10% of the total commissions gained from our artificial intelligence , and users get paid dividends quarterly. The amount in which they invest into the platform is not a worry , as you can invest however much. Our artificial intelligence would use the funds to trade on behalf of our users , lets say 75-80% success rates for trades on the cryptocurrency market.

Would that be plausible even in todays market? Or even in the future?

Do you know which markets will allow something like this to work in their country? I assume we would have to go through KYC / AML nonsense , but would it be plausible to have a decentralized artificial intelligence which would be able to make trades for all users possessing a public key / private key for the platform?

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February 01, 2018, 12:24:34 AM
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sounds like a scam, looks like a scam, behaves like a scam, quacks like a scam

what that could be ?
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February 01, 2018, 01:04:32 AM
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alot of scams now i tried many landings and its bad i dont recoomend it
i try some +10% a day and i got profit and after i loose all
sometimes iam ear

but its same like go to casino and make a bit Smiley
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February 01, 2018, 01:12:29 AM
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Are you saying a bot manages all the trading? Actually I have had very good daily returns from bot trading, but I can't see how you can tie that up with an Investment ICO hybrid. For a start you'd have to pass a tonne of financial legal requirements, deal with SECC, EU lawmakers and regulators, depending where you live (you'd have to go through the same process as any mainstream financial institution like a Hedge or investment fund would to be legit) manage a tonne of portfolios- you'd need professional experienced fund managers for that, show full transparency depending where you live and there's no way you can guarantee/promise people figures every day, that's a can of legal worms in itself. As others say pretty much everything advertised like this is a Ponzi scheme or doomed to fail. When I saw Bitconnect I just laughed as it was clearly a glofiried HYIP/Ponzi which I knew would implode.

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I don't think that it will be possible as there is no assurance that your bot will earn those kinds of yields. Looking at the returns which by monthly translates to 15%-105% every 30 days seems to be unbelievable and sketchy for a lot of people as those yields would look like a HYIP. Your bot must be able to be adept in Technical Analysis it must know what it is doing, from the available market I think you are only limited to the cryptocurrency as from what I know the stock market prohibits known algorithms to cheat the market which your A.I. will also be counted.

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February 01, 2018, 01:26:35 AM
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Believe it or not some of us using Profit Trailer and Gunbot have had returns like that and more on some months, but no way would I guarantee you could do that every month (and I imagine it's illegal to advertise as such) as in a bear market nothing may happen for a while and if you don't know how to use it, you clearly won't. I think managing that kind of ICO/investment fund is a completely different ballgame though and you'd pretty much have to be an experienced financial operator to know how to do it, have infrastructure, and pass many many regulatory requirements (thus have proper lawyers, accountants etc) otherwise you'll be shut down pretty quickly.

I don't think that it will be possible as there is no assurance that your bot will earn those kinds of yields. Looking at the returns which by monthly translates to 15%-105% every 30 days seems to be unbelievable and sketchy for a lot of people as those yields would look like a HYIP. Your bot must be able to be adept in Technical Analysis it must know what it is doing, from the available market I think you are only limited to the cryptocurrency as from what I know the stock market prohibits known algorithms to cheat the market which your A.I. will also be counted.

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Are you saying a bot manages all the trading? Actually I have had very good daily returns from bot trading, but I can't see how you can tie that up with an Investment ICO hybrid. For a start you'd have to pass a tonne of financial legal requirements, deal with SECC, EU lawmakers and regulators, depending where you live (you'd have to go through the same process as any mainstream financial institution like a Hedge or investment fund would to be legit) manage a tonne of portfolios- you'd need professional experienced fund managers for that, show full transparency depending where you live and there's no way you can guarantee/promise people figures every day, that's a can of legal worms in itself. As others say pretty much everything advertised like this is a Ponzi scheme or doomed to fail. When I saw Bitconnect I just laughed as it was clearly a glofiried HYIP/Ponzi which I knew would implode.

Are you asking because you want to set one up or looking for a way to get those returns?

I was thinking of doing something else , Kind of like Facebook but targeting a specific niche. But if it was plausible , I'd be curious in which we could be able to make something like this happen. But it seems like a difficult task , considering all the financial legal requirements.

BitConnect was a interesting business model , But unfortunately it was unsustainable.

I'm looking to find a way to replace Basic Universal Income with something different for my platform , But instead of having users given free money , that they put their $ to work instead.

I created an algorithm to connect users to meaningful connections , whether lifelong friendships / loving harmonious relationships / and excellent business connections. With the age of automation coming , and expecting 40%+ unemployment rates by year 2025 , I'd like people to be able to connect with those they would be in harmonious relationships with , instead of meeting people we would slightly be connected with(Or have mundane relationships with). But the financial bot , would be for users to pursue their ideal life without having to worry about monetary issues. But of course that isn't doable it seems , But i'm sure there could be a way around it.

I don't think that it will be possible as there is no assurance that your bot will earn those kinds of yields. Looking at the returns which by monthly translates to 15%-105% every 30 days seems to be unbelievable and sketchy for a lot of people as those yields would look like a HYIP. Your bot must be able to be adept in Technical Analysis it must know what it is doing, from the available market I think you are only limited to the cryptocurrency as from what I know the stock market prohibits known algorithms to cheat the market which your A.I. will also be counted.

Interesting , Lets say if this was doable. And we achieved success with 80% success rates. (With a lower amount of profits - example 0.1% daily) I think this would be more doable personally with 3% monthly dividends potentially?

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February 01, 2018, 01:46:45 AM
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If someone develops a bot like that I doubt he would let people use it without high investments. Someone could put $50 and make 0.5%-3.5% daily, the bot developer had a hard work just to earn $0.025-$0.175 comission from this investor? It would be total advantage for investors, but not for the developer. Someone who creates something so accurated like the hyphotetical bot you talk about would surely charge much more money to let people have access to it. And once many people have access to professional bots, the method becomes dryed like any other thing many people start 'milking'.

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If such a technique did exist, the creator would never make it public. They'd use it, become a multi-billionaire, and in a couple of extra years, a multi-trillionaire. Then they'd capture the global economy. If anyone shares this magical AI, they are scamming you.

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If someone develops a bot like that I doubt he would let people use it without high investments. Someone could put $50 and make 0.5%-3.5% daily, the bot developer had a hard work just to earn $0.025-$0.175 comission from this investor? It would be total advantage for investors, but not for the developer. Someone who creates something so accurated like the hyphotetical bot you talk about would surely charge much more money to let people have access to it. And once many people have access to professional bots, the method becomes dryed like any other thing many people start 'milking'.

I guess your right. So what you're saying is ,

1. Develop Bot
2. Charge $$$$$$$$$ for Bot (Monthly / Yearly terms)
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If such a technique did exist, the creator would never make it public. They'd use it, become a multi-billionaire, and in a couple of extra years, a multi-trillionaire. Then they'd capture the global economy. If anyone shares this magical AI, they are scamming you.

I think your right... But I'm just throwing out an idea here. Lets say theres like 1 Million people on the platform. And they each put in lets say 1000USD. So lets say we got 1 billion. And the BOT makes trades or buys a lot of "potential" cryptocurrency (Example Monero) Or Cryptocurrencies with actual potential , and they drove up the market cap and the price of Monero grows example and since there is still a lot of use case scenarios for Monero , And if the bot were to sell , you think everyone who was in the platform would be able to get paid?

Oh wait. I just pumped and dumped... Crap. Fucking regulations.

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The thing with Bitconnect was, they never really had a business model, and it was just an HYIP ponzi. I very much doubt the creators were even were smart enough to know how to use something like Profit Trailer or Gunbot let alone satisfy the claims they made, when I looked at their justification for how they made money it just looked very fishy.

You do mention some interesting concepts, I'm quite interested in the concept of Universal basic Income too though as it stands it's based around government redistributing taxes, which is a completely different ballgame. I think it would be a bad idea to promise anyone any figures and also I can't quite understand the business model as you describe it. If you were to have your own currency for example, tokens would be capped anyway? So how would you actually create more free money, and how would people qualify for the distribution, or if it's based on them putting some money in, how would you manage all that and how does their money actually grow?

I was looking at Steemit and they pay people for posts that get a lot of attention, and I'm quite interested in using their platform but it's a variation of say Youtube's pay per click ad model and you have to do work in creating content and the more people see it, the more you earn. There is also a porn ICO called Vice which looks legit but I believe they will pay people per view based on big money from sponsorships from the porn industry and deals, so I can see where the money will come from.

I think you definately need some more thought as the business model, as there may be a way to take part of what you say into something workable, but without knowing exactly what it is a lot of us are in the dark.





Are you saying a bot manages all the trading? Actually I have had very good daily returns from bot trading, but I can't see how you can tie that up with an Investment ICO hybrid. For a start you'd have to pass a tonne of financial legal requirements, deal with SECC, EU lawmakers and regulators, depending where you live (you'd have to go through the same process as any mainstream financial institution like a Hedge or investment fund would to be legit) manage a tonne of portfolios- you'd need professional experienced fund managers for that, show full transparency depending where you live and there's no way you can guarantee/promise people figures every day, that's a can of legal worms in itself. As others say pretty much everything advertised like this is a Ponzi scheme or doomed to fail. When I saw Bitconnect I just laughed as it was clearly a glofiried HYIP/Ponzi which I knew would implode.

Are you asking because you want to set one up or looking for a way to get those returns?

I was thinking of doing something else , Kind of like Facebook but targeting a specific niche. But if it was plausible , I'd be curious in which we could be able to make something like this happen. But it seems like a difficult task , considering all the financial legal requirements.

BitConnect was a interesting business model , But unfortunately it was unsustainable.

I'm looking to find a way to replace Basic Universal Income with something different for my platform , But instead of having users given free money , that they put their $ to work instead.

I created an algorithm to connect users to meaningful connections , whether lifelong friendships / loving harmonious relationships / and excellent business connections. With the age of automation coming , and expecting 40%+ unemployment rates by year 2025 , I'd like people to be able to connect with those they would be in harmonious relationships with , instead of meeting people we would slightly be connected with(Or have mundane relationships with). But the financial bot , would be for users to pursue their ideal life without having to worry about monetary issues. But of course that isn't doable it seems , But i'm sure there could be a way around it.

I don't think that it will be possible as there is no assurance that your bot will earn those kinds of yields. Looking at the returns which by monthly translates to 15%-105% every 30 days seems to be unbelievable and sketchy for a lot of people as those yields would look like a HYIP. Your bot must be able to be adept in Technical Analysis it must know what it is doing, from the available market I think you are only limited to the cryptocurrency as from what I know the stock market prohibits known algorithms to cheat the market which your A.I. will also be counted.

Interesting , Lets say if this was doable. And we achieved success with 80% success rates. (With a lower amount of profits - example 0.1% daily) I think this would be more doable personally with 3% monthly dividends potentially?

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The thing with Bitconnect was, they never really had a business model, and it was just an HYIP ponzi. I very much doubt the creators were even were smart enough to know how to use something like Profit Trailer or Gunbot let alone satisfy the claims they made, when I looked at their justification for how they made money it just looked very fishy.

You do mention some interesting concepts, I'm quite interested in the concept of Universal basic Income too though as it stands it's based around government redistributing taxes, which is a completely different ballgame. I think it would be a bad idea to promise anyone any figures and also I can't quite understand the business model as you describe it. If you were to have your own currency for example, tokens would be capped anyway? So how would you actually create more free money, and how would people qualify for the distribution, or if it's based on them putting some money in, how would you manage all that and how does their money actually grow?

I was looking at Steemit and they pay people for posts that get a lot of attention, and I'm quite interested in using their platform but it's a variation of say Youtube's pay per click ad model and you have to do work in creating content and the more people see it, the more you earn. There is also a porn ICO called Vice which looks legit but I believe they will pay people per view based on big money from sponsorships from the porn industry and deals, so I can see where the money will come from.

I think you definately need some more thought as the business model, as there may be a way to take part of what you say into something workable, but without knowing exactly what it is a lot of us are in the dark.


Tokens would be capped , We could have a hedge fund that users can deposit amounts of cryptocurrency into , But the amount returned (OR ROI) wouldn't be confirmed because like u said , it is a bad idea to promise anyone any figures.

I think for people to join the network , They would have to be self actualized. They have to know who they are , and what they want to pursue within their lives. A social network for those who are self actualized. I imagine we could partner up with a company to escrow funds and use artificial intelligence to create accounts on exchanges... or decentralized exchanges and use the A.I to trade with the amounts given.

I was thinking that each individual connection that users have (Whether in real life or on the platform) will create a block and create a reward for the users on the platform. And they can potentially stake their tokens in which they can cash out? Or have the hedge fund pump up the token price by adding market cap to the token and increasing its price potentially? But they would be limited to only 300 meaningful connections so they have to choose wisely. (Research has shown users can realistically hold up to 200 meaningful relationships and 300 is for those who are very extroverted. Or perhaps have it so , users have to buy a certain amount of tokens before they are allowed to participate in the platform? If i'm wrong with any of these , please correct me. I'd like to be able to make something amazing.


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February 01, 2018, 03:28:06 AM
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I see. There are some quite interesting ideas in there. I think to pull it off you'd definately have to perhaps do a smaller test and think abut the scale and manageability. A hedgefund is quite a minefield I imagine, and you would need someone onboard who has setup or managed a hedgefund before.

I think you could promise people a % of actual profit but you couldn't offer a guarantee that they will definately earn x% a month, so if you make a loss they get nothing of course.

I can't really comment on the business model, you need to speak to someone else or research on who has managed to pull off something of a similar nature.

Do you have a website or draft whitepaper?

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I see. There are some quite interesting ideas in there. I think to pull it off you'd definately have to perhaps do a smaller test and think abut the scale and manageability. A hedgefund is quite a minefield I imagine, and you would need someone onboard who has setup or managed a hedgefund before.

I think you could promise people a % of actual profit but you couldn't offer a guarantee that they will definately earn x% a month, so if you make a loss they get nothing of course.

I can't really comment on the business model, you need to speak to someone else or research on who has managed to pull off something of a similar nature.

Do you have a website or draft whitepaper?

Seems like i should get George Soros involved hahaha. I don't have a website , but i do have a draft white paper , but it does need some changes to make sure that it is scalable , and manageable.

But it seems i need to have a lot of potential partnerships before i embark on this journey. I got way too many great ideas to change the world , I just wish i could find the right people , And they handle everything while i just sit back and watch my creation. But I must strive on.

Interested in my idea? I'll change it up a little bit before going to a ICO , which most of the capital gained from the ICO will go directly into Software / front end / back end etc. When i make a decentralized social network for the self actualized , The only thing that matters is the Exit. Then i can pursue other things. But i'm glad i got some criticism from others before taking it to market. I still gotta find some way of making this "Basic universal income replacement"

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February 02, 2018, 04:43:26 PM
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Call me when the reptilians will give you this:

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The ICO included artificial intelligence to make daily trades for users (0.5-3.5% daily return).

3.5% daily return? or close to 1300% annual return?
Add another zero and it's still going to scream HYIP to all those that have ears to hear

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BitConnect was a interesting business model , But unfortunately it was unsustainable.

Bitconnect had no business model. It was a ponzi.!!!

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I'm looking to find a way to replace Basic Universal Income with something different for my platform , But instead of having users given free money , that they put their $ to work instead.

You realize it's the same thing , right?

Interested in my idea? I'll change it up a little bit before going to a ICO , which most of the capital gained from the ICO will go directly into Software / front end / back end etc. When i make a decentralized social network for the self actualized , The only thing that matters is the Exit.

Poor choice of words or are you already planning on "exiting" Huh

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February 02, 2018, 05:17:47 PM
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So i had an idea , But i was curious on what i would need to make it work.

So let's say you launch a ICO. The ICO included artificial intelligence to make daily trades for users (0.5-3.5% daily return). Example. We would take 10% of the total commissions gained from our artificial intelligence , and users get paid dividends quarterly. The amount in which they invest into the platform is not a worry , as you can invest however much. Our artificial intelligence would use the funds to trade on behalf of our users , lets say 75-80% success rates for trades on the cryptocurrency market.

Would that be plausible even in todays market? Or even in the future?

Do you know which markets will allow something like this to work in their country? I assume we would have to go through KYC / AML nonsense , but would it be plausible to have a decentralized artificial intelligence which would be able to make trades for all users possessing a public key / private key for the platform?


It's entirely possible accept that I doubt you can engineer any bot that can have such success, I doubt you can even find an actual trader who has that level of success, if you can there will be very few and there's no way they're sharing their secrets. Likewise if you had such a bot there would be no need to receive funds from other people, you'd be filthy rich within no time without it.

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February 02, 2018, 05:37:33 PM
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I'll not buy your recommended coins ,if BTC will not  go up. All coins are relying to BItcoin's price specially the altcoin pairs in USD. 

So i had an idea , But i was curious on what i would need to make it work.

So let's say you launch a ICO. The ICO included artificial intelligence to make daily trades for users (0.5-3.5% daily return). Example. We would take 10% of the total commissions gained from our artificial intelligence , and users get paid dividends quarterly. The amount in which they invest into the platform is not a worry , as you can invest however much. Our artificial intelligence would use the funds to trade on behalf of our users , lets say 75-80% success rates for trades on the cryptocurrency market.

Would that be plausible even in todays market? Or even in the future?

Do you know which markets will allow something like this to work in their country? I assume we would have to go through KYC / AML nonsense , but would it be plausible to have a decentralized artificial intelligence which would be able to make trades for all users possessing a public key / private key for the platform?


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February 02, 2018, 05:39:55 PM
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3.5% daily return? or close to 1300% annual return?
Add another zero and it's still going to scream HYIP to all those that have ears to hear

OP forgot to mention that those 3.5% are in fiat during the bullish market Cheesy Btw 0.5% per day might be real but not with the automated trading. Anyway OP's statement about the quaterly dividents also seem shady. People will prefer to take controll on their funds and recieve profit once the trades were completed. I also have some big doubts that 75-80% of successfull trades are real (even if you trade by yourself). Worthy trading bots are usually pretty expensive. Gunbot for example charge 0.05-0.1 BTC for their bot. I'm pretty sure that if it was that easy to get just 10% of the trader's profit then those guys could already be billioneares.

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February 02, 2018, 09:35:56 PM
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Call me when the reptilians will give you this:

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The ICO included artificial intelligence to make daily trades for users (0.5-3.5% daily return).

I'll let you know when they do , I hear their global takeover of earth is almost at hand.

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3.5% daily return? or close to 1300% annual return?
Add another zero and it's still going to scream HYIP to all those that have ears to hear.

I was being conservative personally lol , I said from 0.5 - 3.5% , It would fluctuate.

I think if it was possible , I'd say maybe 2% monthly , but in the crypto world , that can change quickly.

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You realize it's the same thing , right?

I disagree , Basic universal income is used by governments to make more $ from taxes. But the problem is , it will just raise prices of everything else , It's basically devaluing the dollar. Imagine if the loaf of bread you wanted to buy cost was $25,000 , and the basic income only provided $25,000. It doesn't work. With our platform , We make our crypto , with the intrinsic value of helping others find meaningful physical connections. Which also happens to have a trading platform on top. (I'm just coming up with ideas to make it sustainable)

Interested in my idea? I'll change it up a little bit before going to a ICO , which most of the capital gained from the ICO will go directly into Software / front end / back end etc. When i make a decentralized social network for the self actualized , The only thing that matters is the Exit.

Poor choice of words or are you already planning on "exiting" Huh

No , What i meant by exiting was all the code and software development was being managed properly with no errors and third parties verifying our code for consistency , Once the A.I is stable with a high success rate with high overall profits , and users finding meaningful connections with a decentralized protocol...

I will exit , Knowing that my job is complete. (I look at ICOs to their exit. They have to have built something that has value and made it work properly without errors) This is also a 5-6 year commit , But once it's done , I get to pursue the next goal.


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It's entirely possible accept that I doubt you can engineer any bot that can have such success, I doubt you can even find an actual trader who has that level of success, if you can there will be very few and there's no way they're sharing their secrets. Likewise if you had such a bot there would be no need to receive funds from other people, you'd be filthy rich within no time without it.

You know what , That's a potential challenge. I think its definitely doable , but a way to do it seems like a challenge.

But i believe that "No man can become rich without himself enriching others" - Andrew Carnegie , And thats what i'd like to do.


3.5% daily return? or close to 1300% annual return?
Add another zero and it's still going to scream HYIP to all those that have ears to hear

OP forgot to mention that those 3.5% are in fiat during the bullish market Cheesy Btw 0.5% per day might be real but not with the automated trading. Anyway OP's statement about the quaterly dividents also seem shady. People will prefer to take controll on their funds and recieve profit once the trades were completed. I also have some big doubts that 75-80% of successfull trades are real (even if you trade by yourself). Worthy trading bots are usually pretty expensive. Gunbot for example charge 0.05-0.1 BTC for their bot. I'm pretty sure that if it was that easy to get just 10% of the trader's profit then those guys could already be billioneares.

But yes , I did forget to mention that 3.5% is in fiat during bullish market. I was trying to figure out ideas on the payment structure. Quarterly was based off the idea of proof of stake. I could be wrong. But you're right , once users have profits , they would take it. if Gunbot were to partner up , I could see something here.


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February 03, 2018, 12:19:44 PM
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If such a technique did exist, the creator would never make it public. They'd use it, become a multi-billionaire, and in a couple of extra years, a multi-trillionaire. Then they'd capture the global economy. If anyone shares this magical AI, they are scamming you.

It is exactly what HFT is supposed to do and used massively. With extremely complex algorithms that are worth thousands and thousands of dollars and with super fast internet speed (infrastructures often paid by citizens without knowing about it), you never got before. (called dark fiber in the USA) or using their own private data centers (like in the U.K.)

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