How to remove negative trust? (from Hilariousandco)

[rangnatht]

As I think you should keep doing constructive post in the forums and helps other.. Just give your best for the forum. And after one month waiting you can request one more time to hilariousandco to reconsider on your situation, maybe then he can do something for you. Only two things you can do first patience and keep doing quality post for the forum..
I wish you can find your trust... Best of luck....

[wwzsocki]

As I think you should keep doing constructive post in the forums and helps other.. Just give your best for the forum. And after one month waiting you can request one more time to hilariousandco to reconsider on your situation, maybe then he can do something for you. Only two things you can do first patience and keep doing quality post for the forum..
I wish you can find your trust... Best of luck....

Thank you for this words. You are one of very few who answered in my thread and try to help and not to judge. I really appreciate this. Of course, I have to move forward and I will do my best for the forum as always.

I am a user of another cryptocurrencies forum Altcoinstalks.com. When this all started I check there how they resolve such problems. They have karma points which are like reputation on BTT and if somebody gets tagged he can ask a special judge in a special thread to reconsider his case. The verdict is binding and final. Judge is not involved in karma issuing and is impartial and honest.

This is a great idea and should be implemented in BTT because works perfectly against reputation system abuse.

[hilariousandco]

This is a great idea and should be implemented in BTT because works perfectly against reputation system abuse.

Where's the abuse? You were advertising/soliciting to trade merit via your avatar and you plagiarised other people's posts. You're lucky you're not permabanned.

[wwzsocki]

This is a great idea and should be implemented in BTT because works perfectly against reputation system abuse.

Where's the abuse? You were advertising/soliciting to trade merit via your avatar and you plagiarised other people's posts. You're lucky you're not permabanned.

First. Thank you that you answered my thread and sorry that I bothered you with 6 messages in 5 days in a row.

Avatar together with my merits policy is no rules violation I think and I never wanted or traded them. "I will give Merit 4 Merits only for quality content. Spam is not good". Merits are something new and time is needed to learn about this system. That is why I was in a thread about merits, talked about the system when you tagged me.

This could be plagiarism if I have used somebody content and not quoted or stated in my post that I did it but I have added such an announcement in my post just after user reminds of a missed quote in next post after mine. We have a long discussion about this situation in posts after referred one. From this discussion, you can clearly see that this was resolved just after it happens and nobody was harmed. I said thank you, apologized and added announcement that I used content from other users and exactly from who.

[wwzsocki]

More than a month passed and I still have red trust despite all I have done to explain myself.

Hilariousandco answered in my thread but his answer looks like he even doesn't bother to read thru this topic and my countless explanations.

From the beginning, I am very polite and calm. But inside I have really burning desire to shout: "What the F... is wrong with this forum?".

Like I said before: I have never traded merits or wanted too, missed quotation problem was resolved before Hilariousandco tagged me.

[Vod]

Avatar was online for few hours. I have copied from legendary member Jeremycoin. He was using it until yesterday. No red trust is given to him even after I have pointed this out.

So you are guilty of what Hilariousandco tagged you for.  Who did Jeremycoin copy the avatar from?  I didn't get to see it.

It's not the end of the world.  You can still make a good reputation here for yourself and eventually someone will trust you into a signature campaign.

Why not send Hilariousandco a PM in a year or so?  He might reconsider.

[wwzsocki]

Avatar was online for few hours. I have copied from legendary member Jeremycoin. He was using it until yesterday. No red trust is given to him even after I have pointed this out.

So you are guilty of what Hilariousandco tagged you for.  Who did Jeremycoin copy the avatar from?  I didn't get to see it.

It's not the end of the world.  You can still make a good reputation here for yourself and eventually someone will trust you into a signature campaign.

Why not send Hilariousandco a PM in a year or so?  He might reconsider.

Hi Vod,

Thanks for another comment in my thread.

I am not guilty and I don't know why Hilariousandco interpreted my avatar as an advert to trade merits. This was not what I meant and even if I made a mistake I don't deserve red trust only a warning.

Remember Vod that merits were only a few days old and there were no clear rules how to use them. That is why I was in merits thread to learn about them and where I saw Jermycoin avatar. I thought that this will be a great way to use my avatar to let people know that I will reward them for quality posts. Avatar was too small to put inside him my merit policy that is why I have added such a policy to my personal text and signature next day. I think Jermycoin means this same even without merit policy.

I don't know why Hilariousandco interpreted this differently as an advert for merit trading. Giving me no chance to explain myself with a warning only tagged me with red trust despite 5 and half years of my contribution to Bitcointalk forum without one problem. I think I deserved a second chance in such a situation.

Once again I haven't traded merits or wanted to give in exchange. Missed quotation issue was resolved before Hilariousandco tagged me.

[Vod]

Once again I haven't traded merits or wanted to give in exchange. Missed quotation issue was resolved before Hilariousandco tagged me.[/b]

The second part of your trust states " Also copied content without proper attribution." which you admit to doing.  :/

Oh well, you can fight with him or you can move on - your choice.

[hilariousetc]

Avatar was online for few hours. I have copied from legendary member Jeremycoin. He was using it until yesterday. No red trust is given to him even after I have pointed this out.

So you are guilty of what Hilariousandco tagged you for.  Who did Jeremycoin copy the avatar from?  I didn't get to see it.

It's not the end of the world.  You can still make a good reputation here for yourself and eventually someone will trust you into a signature campaign.

Why not send Hilariousandco a PM in a year or so?  He might reconsider.

Hi Vod,

Thanks for another comment in my thread.

I am not guilty and I don't know why Hilariousandco interpreted my avatar as an advert to trade merits.

Avatar says I will give "merits 4 smerits".

I'm not sure how that could be misinterpreted. It was literally an advert to try trade merits. Stop trying to squirm out of taking responsibility for what you were attempting to do which was to exchange merits. And then there's the copy and pasting which you admitted to and you adding attribution once caught doesn't magically make it ok.

[marlboroza]

This was not what I meant and even if I made a mistake I don't deserve red trust only a warning.

No man, you got it all wrong.

Negative trust is not for you, it is warning to other forum members that you are doing something shady.

[wwzsocki]

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I'm not sure how that could be misinterpreted. It was literally an advert to try trade merits. Stop trying to squirm out of taking responsibility for what you were attempting to do which was to exchange merits. And then there's the copy and pasting which you admitted to and you adding attribution once caught doesn't magically make it ok.   

Hilariousandco I have added an announcement about missed quotation before you tagged me, not after as you say.

This is very easy to prove and check. Just look at this thread you refer to. There are time stamps by each post and like I said hundred times before missed quotation was resolved just after it happened. User reminds me of that in next post (after mine without quote) and we have a conversation about missed quotation few next posts long. Finally, I have apologized and added an announcement in my post that I used other users content and pasted their usernames before you tagged me.

Here links to posts where you can see that I  have added an announcement to my post before Hilariousandco tagged me.
  
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.msg29079837#msg29079837 - post about added announcement 15 minutes after the original post
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.msg29076243#msg29076243 - random user post which proves that this issue was resolved
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.msg29075734#msg29075734 - my original post

I have said this before but I will repeat to defend myself.
I used quotation in begin but when started to delete unneeded text my post looks bad and there where no way to see my answer outside quotation. That is why, I added "when in hurry" and told in my original post that this, not quoted text is to find few answers above mine. I thought it will be enough. Anyways, after users remind me that this could be forum rules abuse, I apologized and added an announcement in my post that I used content from other users and put their usernames. I have done that few minutes after my original post and a few hours later I got red trust for "copy content from other users without proper attribution".
Finally, I have deleted this post but members quoted me few times during discussion and all is to find using links above or link Hilariousandco refer to and posts after that. We have the discussion about this situation just after this happened and everything, I am now repeating here is true and to find in this posts. Today, I know all about deleting posts, changing quote size, use strings or dots but sooner, I didn't know too much about this because always quoted hall text without deleting anything. This is easy to check, just look at my previous posts. I didn't know that this lack of knowledge will bring me red trust one day.

I haven't plagiarized anybody just made a mistake by quotation and 5 minutes later fixed it.

Avatar was copied from a legendary member Jeremycoin. He was very active in merits thread, where you tagged me. I thought this is a great way to let people know about merits and that I will reward them for quality content. If a legendary member uses an avatar like this, I was sure this is no rules violation, especially together with my merit policy. The merit system was introduced few days sooner and there was no clear rules or restrictions. Jeremycoin was using this avatar a few days more, with no merits policy at all, even after I pointed this out in my thread and in the PM to Hilariousandco. I don't see red trust given to him.

"Merits 4 smerits" says avatar but my merits policy says: only for high-quality content, no merits in return. If avatar would be bigger I will put all text inside him but was too small and that is why I have added a merits policy which I have seen in few high-rank users profiles.


Would you be so kind Hilariousandco and answer to this post this is already the 3rd month passed away. 40 days from last answer in this thread..

I was few times rejected and restricted from activities on the forum because of this negative trust, especially missed quotation was the main reason.

I will be glad to hear your opinions Bitcointalk members.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I find OP to be extremely shady, untrustworthy, immature, and to top it all off, he's a shitposter.  I've added trust accordingly.

Because he's guilty of what hilariousandco left him feedback for, and obviously so, his continued whining is indicative that he isn't honest and won't learn from "mistakes".  He should be banned.  Negative feedback only is a gift horse.

[wwzsocki]

I find OP to be extremely shady, untrustworthy, immature, and to top it all off, he's a shitposter.  I've added trust accordingly.

Because he's guilty of what hilariousandco left him feedback for, and obviously so, his continued whining is indicative that he isn't honest and won't learn from "mistakes".  He should be banned.  Negative feedback only is a gift horse.

I logged today to check what's new on BTT to find that I have even more negative trust.

I see that The Pharmacist tagged me for: "This user is childish and dishonest, as evidenced by his written thoughts on merit and his posts whining about negative feedback left by hilarious. Not to be trusted on bitcointalk". Which is totally not true.

Funny since I'm a very trustworthy person and I thought that negative trust is for scammers and thieves.

I found nothing in forum rules about negative trust for "whining" and I posted my thread because Hillariousandco never responded to my messages. Finally, he posted in my thread after months of waiting and I replied to defend myself. Posted my proofs because Hillariousandco said that I added an announcement after he tagged me and that isn't true. I added an announcement few minutes after my original post, stated that part of the content isn't properly quoted and added usernames of members involved.

After that, I haven't heard anything from Hillariousandco for 40 days and still, until today there is no response. I don't see anything inappropriate in my actions. I think if somebody gives you negative trust and you show evidence of your innocence or try to explain the matter, he should answer it. Especially when I waited calmly for so long. For me, it's hiding the head in the sand and not taking responsibility for actions. You can't demand that I'll not defend myself. For sure this isn't "whining" only normal reaction to surprising accusations.

My thread is open why The Pharmacist didn't share his opinion about my behavior here to give me some chance to change? Why red paint? I already been punished once!!! Like I said before in my posts when I was defending The Pharmacist on the forum that I like to read his point of view because sometimes his words influenced and were able to change my point of view. Why not this time?

Only one post, one mistake and my senior member account, I worked for so long and hard, now is totally worthless and pointless to continue. I've never stolen, cheated or did something bad in my entire life but here I'm "untrusted, childish, dishonest, shitposter and should be banned".

Why? Because I dare to defend myself?

One post I wasn't concentrating on and a silly mistake with avatar despite I added a merit policy to my signature and never traded or got one merit in exchange from somebody. Who never makes mistakes?

The Pharmacist said that I'm shitposter and spammer when I actually make good quality posts and got even few merits lately despite my red trust. Few high-rank members evaluated my posts and they told me that I'm writing a good quality content and advised me to open more topics to get merits faster. Nobody told me that I'm a spammer or shitposter before because this isn't true, just not true.

In this post, member shares his opinion about my posts.
 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3312692.msg34770397#msg34770397

I see some of your recent posts and I know that you are good at English and you deliver it good, but it is only a reply for others. In my opinion, it is good if you can make a thread about some trending topic or make some analysis and deliver it in a statistic that can attract a lot of discussion, I see so many of member doing that right now. Remember to make it good and not the same topic as others, or it would be categorized as a spammy thread.

As you see not everybody thinks that I'm a shitposter.

I invite every member to check my post and share your opinions here.

This is just too much for me. I'm 41 and I was never humiliated like this in my entire life. I'll not allow being called "childish, dishonest, shitposter, not to be trusted, etc.". I know that no one cares and I'm not expecting that anybody will help or support me because that's the impression this forum has given to me lately. No respect and no kindness at all. It's not a good and friendly place anymore like 5 years ago.

Somebody doesn't like you and in few seconds your account and reputation are gone.

People who I have worked with on different occasions during all these years didn't even speak to me (despite they were always very happy and came back to me with new jobs) because of red trust. As I said there is no respect here on this forum. You can try, you can help people, be a good member and your account can be destroyed in seconds anyway. Now, with so much red trust, nobody will ever speak to me or treat me seriously.

They can call you whatever they want and you can do nothing and if you dare to defend yourself you will get more red trust. For example as a "childish and dishonest" forum member.

What makes me sad is those people who don't care that I'm actually a person behind this account and I'm a good person. I tried to help people all the time and I was always friendly.

Funny thing I defended The Pharmacist few times lately when members accused him to be dishonest DT member. I think these are the shitty posts to which he refers.

Here are they:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3285504.msg35076565#msg35076565

...The Pharmacist is a serious and honest member. I think he will take your case into consideration if you provide hard proofs...

In this post below, shared my story and The Pharmacist didn't paint me red back then because I was defending him in a topic: "Trust Spammer and Abuser "The Pharmist" Back on business". After few days he just forgets about this and tagged me, I think.
Why haven't you tagged me back then The Pharmacist? You answered to this post and not stated a word that I'm "whining, childish, dishonest, not to be trusted or shitposter". Why I can't be trusted now? What changed?

This is a long post but I want you to see these Bitcointalk members.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3186029.msg34782558#msg34782558

I see your answer BTCforJoe and I can't stop myself to share a different story with you.

Mistakes happen on this forum and not all DT trust members are so polite and willing to discuss their choices.

I was tagged by Hillariousandco more as 100 days ago for "Trading merit with those who leave him points as advertised via his avatar. Also copied content without proper attribution".  My case is not resolved until today and Hillariousandco doesn't answer to my innocents' proofs from one month in my negative trust thread. Of course, I haven't traded or given in exchange even one merit and I have added an announcement to my post about missing quotation before Hillariousandco tagged me not after as he says.

As you see BTCforJoe you were lucky to be tagged by another member because I have written like you 4 PM's in 2 weeks to Hillariousandco. I was always very polite using words thank you, please, sorry and never got any reply. After that, I opened my reputation thread to prove that I am innocent.

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...My situation is similar. I was tagged for an avatar I have copied from legendary member Jeremycoin and he was not tagged red despite I have written about this to Hillariousandco next day after it happened and I have posted about this in my reputation thread. This member used this avatar for a few days more and like I said before nobody tagged him. When I asked about this everybody seems to not see this question or just ignore it.

Even added a merit policy (Merits only for quality content, no merits in exchange, spam is not good) to my signature and avatar and worn it for about 2 months. Nothing helps I am still tagged. If this was such a crime why to punish only me?

I am on this forum 5 years frequently. Never rushed to achieve higher rank, never spammed (my first posts are not so good but I learned how to post quality content), never did anything wrong, never insult anybody or used offensive language (I know this is not in forum rules and is allowed but I'm proud of this), never got warning, etc.

I don't think I'm guilty. I don't fill guilty and I can do nothing. This is killing me every day because in my reputation thread high-rank users advised me: "you have to move on", "don't worry red trust is not the end of the world", "nobody looks on red trust". This all is not true. I was rejected several times for various projects and promotions on the forum because of red trust. I was involved in a discussion and member told me: " do something with your red trust first and then come back to talk here". It was humiliating for me and I have to admit that I'm ashamed when I post. I try to even avoid these subforums where you can see trust because I noticed that people do not treat you seriously with a red trust and you can forget about merits completely.

I have to add that I have seen The Pharmacist around the forum and I think that he is an asset with no doubt. Didn't know about his problems and that he is not in DT anymore. I think his posts are very valuable and high quality. I like to read his point of few because sometimes his words influenced the change of viewpoint by me. From what I saw lately, his judgments were accurate, I agree with them.

Answer from The Pharmacist:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3186029.msg34783868#msg34783868
Quote from: wwzsocki on April 15, 2018, 07:52:04 PM
"....Didn't know about his problems and that he is not in DT anymore...."
The Pharmacist:
"I didn't know that either.  Wouldn't surprise me, though.  The politics on bitcointalk are crazy, but I'd be interested to know who excluded me".

In trust comments, The Pharmacist left this: "...as evidenced by his written thoughts on merit and his posts whining about negative feedback left by hilarious...".I can't share my thoughts on merits because I can be and literally am tagged for this, despite I changed my opinion about merits and posted in favor of system lately.

The Pharmacist can say "...The politics on bitcointalk are crazy..." and this is ok? I can't share my thoughts but when DT member shares his negative thoughts about Bitcointalk everything is ok. These written thoughts aren't an evidence? No red trust for this?

Good luck to you all and stay away from d2 members they will nail you for whatever reason they want because someone decided to give them that power. One person can mess your entire career here.

[TheUltraElite]

I logged today to check what's new on BTT to find that I have even more negative trust.

I see that The Pharmacist tagged me for: "This user is childish and dishonest, as evidenced by his written thoughts on merit and his posts whining about negative feedback left by hilarious. Not to be trusted on bitcointalk". Which is totally not true and fabricated.

The fact that you are dragging this and not thinking logically is a show of your childish behavior. So, no, The Pharmacist is correct here.

Funny since I'm a very trustworthy person and I thought that negative trust is for scammers and thieves.

Not being a thief does not mean that you are "trustworthy".

Only one post, one mistake and my senior member account, I've worked for so long and hard, now is totally worthless and pointless to continue. I've never stolen, cheated or did something bad in my entire life but here I am untrusted, childish, dishonest, shitposter and should be banned.

If you are a cry-baby who cant control their tears on getting negged on a forum, you need a "human" brain implanted in your empty cranial cavity from the nearest hospital.

Why? Because I dare to defend myself?

One post I was not concentrating on and a silly mistake with avatar despite I have added a merit rule to my signature and never traded or got one merit in exchange from somebody. Who never makes mistakes?

Because you are nagging people thinking of your benefits only. Merit trading is not allowed.

The Pharmacist act like all I do is spamming, when I actually make good quality posts and I got even few merits lately despite my red trust. Few high-rank members evaluated my posts and they told me that I am writing a good quality content and advised me to open more topics to get merits faster. Nobody told me that I am a spammer or shitposter but now I am tagged for shitposting. Not true, just not true.

Spamming has nothing to do with trading merits.

Snipping the rest of the post because its irrelevant. Go have a breath of fresh air from outside which you have been missing for "5 years" while on this forum. It will help you clear your mind.

[wwzsocki]

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I just snipped this quote because like I said before I don't expect that anybody will support me. I'm prepared to hear more insults and epithets because that's how some high-rank members behave in this forum.

Like I said 100 times before I never traded merits and that was not my intention. That is why I try to defend myself here. But this is impossible to win because I don't have an army of alts to vouch for me.

I see from your post that you didn't even bother to read this thread.

That isn't the first time that DT members are wrong. Yesterday I posted in a thread to support member painted red who tried to defend himself and just like in this reputation thread, members insulted him, called names, etc. but finally he won his trust back. Nobody said sorry to him. From the very beginning, I'm polite and friendly in my topics. Never insulted anybody so stop with calling names.

Funny that you will be tagged for so-called by some high-rank members "whining". Which is nothing more as an attempt to defend yourself or explain the situation. They don't answer for months and if you post your story they will tell that you are "childish and whining". If my questions were answered I would stop this thread immediately.

I haven't seen whining in forum rules, so why red trust?

Thank you for sharing your point of view.

[actmyname]

I'm giving you negative trust because you copy-pasted content. This is and should be bannable.

There are no rules about merit trading though a lot of people do find it unacceptable. However, that's now what I'm here to discuss. If you want to talk about refuting the plagiarized post then you can do so.

If you want to justify the post while at the same time reasoning why you would delete it, that would be well-appreciated.

[digaran]

@OP, could you start reporting garbage posts in Bitcoin discussion? start it now and report at least 200 garbage posts accurately. help them first to show that you deserve to be helped by them.

[wwzsocki]

I'm giving you negative trust because you copy-pasted content. This is and should be bannable.

There are no rules about merit trading though a lot of people do find it unacceptable. However, that's now what I'm here to discuss. If you want to talk about refuting the plagiarized post then you can do so.

If you want to justify the post while at the same time reasoning why you would delete it, that would be well-appreciated.

I used quotation in begin when I created my post but when started to delete unneeded text inside quotes my post looks bad and my answer was inside the quotation. I didn't know what to do and after few attempts added "when in hurry" and told in my original post that "this answer is to find few posts above mine". I thought it would be enough because these answers were two or three posts before mine but on sooner page. Anyways, after users remind me that this could be forum rules abuse (next post after mine), after a discussion about what happened, I apologized and added an announcement in my post that I used content from other users and put their usernames. I did it few minutes after my original post and a few hours later I got red trust for "copy content from other users without proper attribution".
Finally, I deleted this post after few weeks because I thought this help to remove red trust. Luckily members quoted me few times during discussion and all is to find using links I'll provide or link which Hilariousandco refers to and posts after that. We have a discussion about this situation just after it happened and everything, what I'm now repeating here is true and to find in this posts.

Today, I know all about deleting posts, changing quote size, use strings or dots and snips but sooner, I didn't know too much about this because always quoted all text without deleting anything. This is easy to check, just look at my previous posts, before red trust.

I haven't plagiarized anybody (I think). I didn't do it on purpose only made a mistake by quotation and 5 minutes later fixed it.

Here links to posts where you can see that I  have added an announcement to my post before Hilariousandco tagged me.  
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.msg29079837#msg29079837 - random user post which proves that this issue was resolved
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.msg29075734#msg29075734 - my original post
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.msg29076243#msg29076243 - My last post where I am talking about an added announcement.
For better overview just read 20 posts after my with missing quote. You will have clear few of what happened.

If you want to know the story with my avatar and merits. Here is my explanation.

Avatar was copied from a legendary member Jeremycoin. He was very active in merits thread, where Hillariousandco tagged me. I thought this is a great way to let people know about merits and that I'll reward them for quality content. If a legendary member uses an avatar like this, I was sure this isn't a rules violation, especially together with my merit policy. The merit system was introduced few days sooner and there wasn't clear rules or restrictions. Jeremycoin was using this avatar a few days longer, with no merits policy at all, even after I pointed this out in my thread and in the PM to Hilariousandco. I don't see red trust given to him.

"Merits 4 smerits" says avatar but my merits policy in a signature and the private text says: "only for high-quality content, no merits in return, spam is not good". If avatar would be bigger I'll put all text inside but was too small and that's why I added a merits policy which I see in few high-rank users profiles. I wore this merit policy for 2 months.

Thank you Actmyname for the opportunity to defend and that you want to hear it.

[wwzsocki]

@OP, could you start reporting garbage posts in Bitcoin discussion? start it now and report at least 200 garbage posts accurately. help them first to show that you deserve to be helped by them.

I already did and wrote about this when 90 days passed from red trust in PM to Hillariousandco, asking him to reconsider his decision and answer to my post. But I never got any message or reply to my thread.

That is why after 100 days I wrote another post in my reputation thread and was tagged for "whining" by The Pharmacist.

I don't think this is winning. I just try to explain myself. I have done all I can to avoid public debate. I wrote about this in my first post and few others. But when there is no reaction at all I post in my thread like any other forum user with negative reputation thread. I haven't seen anybody tagged for this.

I haven't found 100 spammers but I found 14 with 85% accuracy. Not only spammers but plagiarism, merit abuse, account farming, etc. All this in 2 months. I thought maybe this would be helpful to recover my trust. I'll search further maybe one day I find 100 abusers.

Thank you for advice.

UPDATE 29.04.2018

I was able in 2 days to find 270 abusers with an accuracy of 99%. I found all kind of forum rules abuse: spam, scam, spam bots, account farming, merit trading, off topic, ref. links, wrong forum section, etc.

Thanks one more time Digaran for this advise!!!

[The Sceptical Chymist]

That is why after 110 days I wrote another post in my reputation thread and was tagged for "winning" by The Pharmacist.

No.  It's "whining".  You really have a problem with quoting things.