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February 02, 2018, 12:46:25 AM
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Is it time to realize that bitcoin's high price principally came from speculative sources and not real world utilization? I know I will get a lot of negative replies by saying it, but a simple look at the market shows that it is true. With the speculatory mania gone, what does the bitcoin market really have?



Richard Jackman, an economist at the London School of Economics, and Savvas Savouri, an economist at Toscafund Asset Management, however, estimate the coin is still trading far higher than it should.

That number, according to Jackman and Savouri, is a mere $20. Here's their logic:

The supply of bitcoin increases only slowly towards its famous fixed limit and is now around 15m. The use of bitcoin as a means of payment is currently around $100m per month, or $1,200m a year. Were bitcoin just like ordinary money each bitcoin would be used around four times a year in making transactions. So we have 60m bitcoin payments supporting $1,200m worth of bitcoin transactions, which requires that each bitcoin is worth $20.

There's always a "but" with such analysis. And the "but" in this case is that bitcoin could be worth its current value, but it would have to see a 1000-fold increase in its use as a form of payment.


Read the full article http://www.businessinsider.com/2-economists-just-eviscerated-bitcoin-saying-it-should-be-trading-at-20-2018-2

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February 02, 2018, 01:01:51 AM
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It hasn't been $20 for at least 7 years.

I think they're just trying to score headlines with their "shock" prediction. The fact is, bitcoin's worth is what people are willing to pay for it. And there are plenty of folk that think it's a store of value that will protect them from the vagaries of the normal economy and investments. And that includes a bunch of well-heeled hedge fund guys...

 
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February 02, 2018, 01:37:49 AM
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If they're paid economists who write stuff like this... this is sub kindergarten shit.

What about gold minus speculation? That's probably around $20-$50 of actual usage too. What about Tesla? What about almost everything else on this Earth at present?

If they can magically excise speculation from Bitcoin then go right ahead. I'll look forward to Bitcoin NoSpeculationOrYou'reCanned.
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February 02, 2018, 01:41:45 AM
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@alyssa85. They are economists, and for that reason they always look for an investments' fundamental value. I reckon something like bitcoin is defying what they have studied about their whole lives. Also if bitcoin proves them wrong, they now would have to question their PHDs and their beliefs.

But I do agree that what took bitcoin to $20,000 was speculative mania.


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February 02, 2018, 01:46:50 AM
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@alyssa85. They are economists, and for that reason they always look for an investments' fundamental value. I reckon something like bitcoin is defying what they have studied about their whole lives. Also if bitcoin proves them wrong, they now would have to question their PHDs and their beliefs.

But I do agree that what took bitcoin to $20,000 was speculative mania.



How can a professional economist discount speculation? That's a cornerstone of all economies. This was definitely mania but if someone I was employing came out with statements of such stunning naivety I'd fire their arses off.
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@gentlemand. But they did not discount speculation. It is the precise reason why they are under the impression that bitcoin is still trading up above its true fundamental value of, according to their calculations, $20.

This is their reasoning.

The supply of bitcoin increases only slowly towards its famous fixed limit and is now around 15m. The use of bitcoin as a means of payment is currently around $100m per month, or $1,200m a year. Were bitcoin just like ordinary money each bitcoin would be used around four times a year in making transactions. So we have 60m bitcoin payments supporting $1,200m worth of bitcoin transactions, which requires that each bitcoin is worth $20.

They also said that for bitcoin to give grounds on its present value, utilization must increase by 1000 fold.

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Bitcoin is death threads coming up, good sign.
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An "economist" opinion means nowadays zero, or 0.000001 if he has a twitter account. We all know what happened in 2007 and how economists were able to estimate s***. And the ones that did manage to get things right screwed up 20 times after.

Lets's start:
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The supply of bitcoin increases only slowly towards its famous fixed limit and is now around 15m.
If you're an economist and you play with numbers like that then...you're not an economist, it's 16.8 you moron.

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The use of bitcoin as a means of payment is currently around $100m per month, or $1,200m a year.
Where the hell did he get those numbers from?
https://blockchain.info/charts/estimated-transaction-volume

And at this point...arguing about it useless.
But let's do the math with his own method but real numbers.

Since the value of transactions is 2 billion a day (based on the same damn newspaper the guys write for link

We would have to increase the price once 20 times and again 30 times.
Leading to a value of ...surprise  12 000$

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February 02, 2018, 12:57:31 PM
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Is it time to realize that bitcoin's high price principally came from speculative sources and not real world utilization?

In fact, in 2015 I came to that kind of number too.  You find it by having a rough estimation of the actual volume of bitcoin used to buy "goods and services" and assume a velocity similar to fiat, like the dollar.   Using Fisher's formula, you can then estimate the "currency value" of the monetary asset at hand. I looked at volumes like bitpay, added a good factor to it (dark markets etc...) and I also arrived in the few $ to a few tens of $.
I have the impression that real currency usage of bitcoin hasn't increased (maybe rather decreased since).

This is why, in 2015, I waited in vain for a bottom of a few $10.  But it never came, because bitcoin is not a currency.  That's a parasitic side effect of it.  Bitcoin is pure speculation.
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February 02, 2018, 01:23:35 PM
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I'm tired of this economists and of all governments who don't want people to evolve. This who are against bitcoin want that people from their country to work a lot so they can get huge profit and give back only a low % share.

Don't sell your bitcoin for so low price.
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Very way absurd! Sure, you are going to be getting a lot of negative comments just because there is no sense in what those paid economist have said. Sure, Bitcoin may be a speculative asset and it was way overbought at some point, but the value is what it is and what you and I have decided to sell what we are holding as long as someone is ready to accept the price for it. We should not also forget the limited supply as well. However, if they both feel it should be trading at $20, no one is definitely stopping anyone from hitting the exchange to go sell at $20, at least they won't even have to bid at all.
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$20 does not seem unreasonable IMO. I could see it trading around there or even significantly lower. Bitcoin has too many large fundamental problems and external threats for it to really warrant a price over like $5 or so.

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Nouriel Roubini has popped up to say that bitcoin will plummet “all the way down to zero”.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/feb/02/bitcoin-biggest-bubble-in-history-says-economist-who-predicted-2008-crash

Of course the rules of bull markets still apply - it only really turns when the last bear has capitulated and given up hope of the market going down - and as we can see that hasn't happened yet, there are plenty of bears predicting crashes.

 
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February 02, 2018, 02:36:26 PM
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$20 does not seem unreasonable IMO. I could see it trading around there or even significantly lower. Bitcoin has too many large fundamental problems and external threats for it to really warrant a price over like $5 or so.

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February 02, 2018, 03:12:19 PM
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What about gold minus speculation? That's probably around $20-$50 of actual usage too.

You're right, concerning gold.  Gold is THE speculative asset over history.  However, exactly its very, very long history has more or less "frozen in" the speculative value of gold.

There are two sources of value: utility and belief.  One usually takes it that "rational" value is only related to utility.  That's called the "fundamental".  Utility has to do with human joy, or absence of human suffering, in the largest sense possible.  If some good or service G provides joy, or helps avoiding suffering of another human being (or something that that human being likes, like his cat), it has economic utility: that human, in need of G, is, in his turn, ready to provide utility (joy) to another human being, if that's the only way to obtain good or service G.  The negociation/power game/.... of all humans concerning the goods and services that bring them utility vs. what they need to sacrifice for it, sets the market price, normally, of things.   The market price is nothing else but the relative ratio's of G one can obtain for other good or service H.

Humans can make plans, and some plan to make a lot of G, in order to sell it to those desiring G, and to obtain a lot of H in place.  The execution of those plans also create needs in an indirect way: production capital.  Production capital derives its value from the amount of G you can make with it, even though nobody is directly in need of that production capital.  As such, the utility of G is what is the "fundamental" of the derived utility of that production capital.  You can now promise production capital, promise plans and all that, and package this in investment assets.  Investment assets are, in principle, things that have to do with ownership and/or exploitation of future or present plans and production capital.  Of course, if it concerns plans for future production of future goods and services, it is hard to predict the future.  So people can have different value estimations of the real fundamental utility of plans and production capital.  This is the stock market.  Even though uncertainties concerning the future are what drives trading in the stock market, normally, the game is to try to be as close as possible to the "true fundamental future value" of stock.  This is "rational speculation".

Of course, at a certain point, things can become very opaque, and there can be assets of which the future estimation of actual fundamentals is extremely uncertain.  Then it is a gamble.  You can't really know.  But even in that case, that gamble is still based upon a rational expectation of, ultimately, some fundamental utility (human joy).

But there's an entirely different way in which assets can acquire value: recursive belief !  These assets can be totally devoid of any relationship to anything of economic utility, it can be that people there is a lock-in of a common belief that others will believe that this asset has value ; if it does, then it HAS value.  The ONLY reason to acquire this asset, is to be able to sell it to someone else.  At no point, we think that it is remotely related to anything of utility. We only think that the belief in its value will not wane.  

There can be two types: one type is "same fool".  You know perfectly well that the asset is worthless in itself, but you firmly believe that others believe, and will continue to believe, in the SAME value (more or less) than you are going to spend it on.  Gold is of this type.  Famous old paintings are of this type.   It is a "store of value".  This is a belief that can last for a very, very long time.

The other type is "greater fool".  A pyramid game.  You know that the asset is worthless, but you expect to be amongst the early birds in a mode phenomenon, where you'll find a greater fool to sell your asset for MUCH MORE than you paid for it.  In order to stimulate this even more, there needs to be a megalomaniac story that it is ACTUALLY a very useful asset of some future important capital with strong fundamentals, but that only visionaries can see it.  Say, the "monetary system of the future".  This kind of stuff always ends in a bang.

Now, go and think: most people buying bitcoin, do they do this because there are obvious fundamentals (which are not a megalomaniac story that won't work if you think about it 5 minutes) ; do you think that most people do it to put their savings safe, without an expectation of a lot of return, just a safety against loss ; or do you think that most people bought it to sell it to much higher bidders ?  What is YOUR motivation ?

Well, then you know in what category we're playing...
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Do the bitcoin really need anything more than the believers? No, I don’t think speculative groups are the one maintaining its higher price for past few years. It is us who understand and doesn’t leave the bitcoin behind even with this kind or relentless attack from so called “expert”. Let them talk and give negative comments we don’t have to listen to them or even ignoring those kind of selfish individuals who doesn’t deserve any attention. Maybe they’re dignity been sold and it’s worth 20$, for sure.

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February 02, 2018, 03:27:34 PM
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Just curious about the weed that this two "economist" have been using.

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February 02, 2018, 06:36:31 PM
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Funny you are!  I have just pictured these guys smoking weeds and talking about $20 BTC. Suppose in reality Bitcoin will gain again.
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February 02, 2018, 07:09:05 PM
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I disagree with the comments made by this men and I think one need to actually review the value of blockchain to our contemporary economic as you can actually see that bitcoin has do very well in the area of decentralization and fast transactions which many people value. Bitcoin has also served as  investment angle that has helped a lot of investors and the investors should determined how bitcoin should be valued and not some analog economist.
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February 02, 2018, 10:13:32 PM
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Lol. $20 per bitcoin would be around 0.1% of the all time high for bitcoin. That's way too low of a price for bitcoin to ever sit at.

If the way that their analysis works actually works irl, then silver should probably be rendered worthless, because virtually nobody uses silver as a payment method anymore. They could times silver's supply by 4, and get the amount of transactions silver is facilitating, which is virtually 0 right now, and you'll get probably at max, $1-2 per ounce of silver.

Yes, right now we are seeing bitcoin rise exponentially. Speculation is involved. The growth isn't kicked off by entirely the actual usage in facilitating transactions, but instead people looking at bitcoin's potential in the future and buying & holding their coins.

Bitcoin can be worth its current value and not facilitate 1000x the current amount of transactions. Because people hold it as a store of value.
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