Merit system= Rubbish posts

[tranthidung]

Merit created to prevent this kind of member and only shitposter are leaving this forum just because of Merit system. If you feel there are no chance for you to rank up, you can cheat the merit system if you want to, but I think you know the consequences of it

They are not leaving (I guess), they are trying to cheat the merit system. Small part of them are trying to adapt by improving themselves to be better, more constructive. I think those users who changed this way are good for the forum, though they were spammers, shit-posters in the past. However, if they can change to be constructive users, it's good; then we can call them as ex-shit-posters, lol.

[Talk merit]

Small part of them are trying to adapt by improving themselves to be better, more constructive. I think those users who changed this way are good for the forum, though they were spammers, shit-posters in the past. However, if they can change to be constructive users, it's good; then we can call them as ex-shit-posters, lol.

Unfortunately if they ended up on a merit awarder's ignore list, then their change in posting quality will not be noticed. This means that it is still harder for them to gain merit than it is for a new member who starts off the right way.

Before you start polluting the boards, reflect on the long term damage that you are doing to your nice clean account.

[mdayonliner]

The idea behind introducing the merit system was to enforce the users to post quality threads, encouraging them to engage with a conversation rather than making comments here and there for signature bounties.

I'm hoping that this system will increase post quality by:
 - Forcing people to post high-quality stuff in order to rank up. If you just post garbage, you will never get even 1 merit point, and you will therefore never be able to put links in your signature, etc.
 - Highlighting good posts with the "Merited by" line.

This was the whole idea.

So, instead of complaining about the system when not post something that will give value to the community.

If you care about the community then someday you will forget about everything and will land your hand for helping others and improving your personal developments. I been there by the way.

So, just chill 

Merit system= Rubbish posts = 0 merits

[butcherme]

Some users are making long posts but without substance. I think the whole point of the merit system is just to lessen  shitty posts not short posts. A post can be constructive without even being necesserily long.

[tringt]

Merit system is introduced to nullified low quality posts in the forum. but something is going exactly opposite to this.
I am seeing more rubbish posts, as everyone is trying to make more and more posts which shows the insecurity among them.
As they all wants to show on the top of the discussion where they have a little opportunity of getting merit points.
Do merit system really make a difference in this forum?
 

I agree with you, people on the forum don't want to try, instead of useful information, I see posts that were written a year ago and were copied into a new topic.

[lobcmt2]

It's true. Shit posters will have less chance to receive merits due to their bad post history, but I think that if they keep continue changing their post quality to higher and higher day by day, then merits will come, some day over long period and intensive efforts to adapt to merit system. Finally, they will have almost clean post history like someone else.
No one have enough time to scan all post history to see how good a poster is.

Unfortunately if they ended up on a merit awarder's ignore list, then their change in posting quality will not be noticed. This means that it is still harder for them to gain merit than it is for a new member who starts off the right way.

Yeah. Based on your recommendations, if shit-posters follow them, we might see a new waves of newbies which come from spammers with new efforts to spam the forum, one more time.

Before you start polluting the boards, reflect on the long term damage that you are doing to your nice clean account.

[Taki]

Looks like that was your exactly target to earn a little bit of merits
I would not say that the number of rubbish post increased, as you say, it is approximately at the same level. But the thing I really see is that the number of quality and helpful post really raised. Time ago I've seen different graphics and pictures with explanation of forum's rules or Blockchain or bitcoin really seldom, but now I see such post maybe every day and such posts really deserve to be merited, cause of they perform some ideas in fun and easy to understand form.

[BlackPanda]

Merit system is introduced to nullified low quality posts in the forum. but something is going exactly opposite to this.
I am seeing more rubbish posts, as everyone is trying to make more and more posts which shows the insecurity among them.
As they all wants to show on the top of the discussion where they have a little opportunity of getting merit points.
Do merit system really make a difference in this forum?
 

That is the thing that many people have done before in this forum and continues to this day, as the actual calculations have been much reduced. Now shitposting has begun to dwindle and now more and more people are motivated to make quality posts. They are all racing to contribute to the forum because it is one way to get merit. routine contribute will then train someone's ability to be a useful person. I think when we do not make shitposting then it is not a problem. Instinctively I will also do that, I will keep trying and always try to be able to contribute much better again.

[lobcmt2]

Yes, due to merit system, the general quality of threads in the forum rose.

Looks like that was your exactly target to earn a little bit of merits
I would not say that the number of rubbish post increased, as you say, it is approximately at the same level. But the thing I really see is that the number of quality and helpful post really raised.

You are wrong! In my point of view, I don't like threads which attach oversized/ annoying images/ infographics. I think those ones are only needed for lazy users, who should not stay in our forum. All necessary stuffs have been presented clearly, transparently in the OP of its ANN (for example, with merit syste, its purposes, its rules, all of them mentioned in topic created by Theymos). I don't see any reason to have infographics to explain what merits are, what sMerits are and which functions they are in the circulation of merit system.

For those lazy users, leaving the forum is the best option, no need to create infographics for them, and invite them to watch.

Time ago I've seen different graphics and pictures with explanation of forum's rules or Blockchain or bitcoin really seldom, but now I see such post maybe every day and such posts really deserve to be merited, cause of they perform some ideas in fun and easy to understand form.

[Cryptoearner]

This Merit system has two sides one bad and second good.

Bad is that, what will happen with the people who are one or two week away from getting next RANK ?


It is the same like Bounty managers asked users to do same tasks again as we lost spreadsheet.


Good is that, forum members will try to increase the quality of post.

[TheUltraElite]

This Merit system has two sides one bad and second good.

Bad is that, what will happen with the people who are one or two week away from getting next RANK ?

Sucks to be them. Merit has hit hard on everyone and nobody is exempted from the effects. So there is nothing you can do about it except moving on.

It is the same like Bounty managers asked users to do same tasks again as we lost spreadsheet.

This mentality of people in the forum needs to change. The sole reason some people come to bitcointalk everyday is to spam for bounties and shitpost. The fact you picked up this a reference shows that you are also one of them.

Good is that, forum members will try to increase the quality of post.

Agreed and people are also ranking up.

[Cryptoearner]

This Merit system has two sides one bad and second good.

Bad is that, what will happen with the people who are one or two week away from getting next RANK ?

Sucks to be them. Merit has hit hard on everyone and nobody is exempted from the effects. So there is nothing you can do about it except moving on.

It is the same like Bounty managers asked users to do same tasks again as we lost spreadsheet.

This mentality of people in the forum needs to change. The sole reason some people come to bitcointalk everyday is to spam for bounties and shitpost. The fact you picked up this a reference shows that you are also one of them.

Good is that, forum members will try to increase the quality of post.

Agreed and people are also ranking up.

What we can do is that start thread regarding this and ask Theymos to make some reliable rule for who are about to get next rank.


No, i am not one of them, you can check my previous posts.

[nioschka]

Merit system will keep shit-posters stucked at their current ranks. In the future, when more and more campaigns require minimum number of merits to join, shit-posters will be eliminated somehow. When they can not join any campaign in the forum, they might leave and find others better places.

And you people really think that's good? To drive off, repel some people who are willing to join and work for the world of crypto? Do You really think crypto/blockchain tech have a future without "shit-posters", "rookies", "ignorant people", people who do not speak or write English well? If these people for any reason don't recognize their own interest in the alternative economy system, you'll end up selling pizzas to each other for 50M BTC.

Just try not to forget one thing: these people to whom you're laughing and whom you call "shit-posters" are precisely those who keep marketing wheels of the emerging crypto projects moving. If they didn't work for peanuts, promises of the newly forged coins, and possibilities of eventual payment in some new coins wannabee some very interesting coins would not exist today.

If "ignorant people" don't start to use crypto, there won't be any crypto in the future. You, "masters of the crypto world", will be selling each other worthless bytes in your Kingdom in the clouds.

Mass adoption is the mother of success of every human activity. And that requires masses.

Does anyone dare to publish the list of the members who have advanced to the next rank since the merit system has been introduced? Published or not, look at that list and think about the following: for how long will all the members of the community who are not on that list stick to the idea, talk nicely about the things that are going on here, try to attract new people, new work force, new "nodes", new customers, new users, or they will declare the idea "elitist", and walk away?

Be careful about what you wish for - you may get it. And please, please, be careful not to destroy and suffocate the blooming of the crypto world you've made possible with this forum.

[Megashaw]

I don't wanna be a jr. Member for life. Can someone please help me with merit to move to the next stage

[wwzsocki]

This topic is about merit system and rubbish posts.

I see a lot of quality posts here. I counted more than 25 good posts and I see no merit awarded to this posts. Only a few on the first page are randomly awarded and there is no one merit given on next 2 pages for good quality content.

I don't think that this is how merit system should work.

There should be always a chance to get few merits of your quality content. I don't know maybe there should be few merit sources to which we can send our links for quality check and merit award or topic where you add your post for check and random or qualified users reconsider award.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

And you people really think that's good? To drive off, repel some people who are willing to join and work for the world of crypto?

The problem lies in your attitude toward this forum.  Bitcointalk is not a "job"; bitcoin is not a "job".  This is a forum, and it doesn't serve its function well if no one is able to understand what's being posted here, or if what's posted is complete shit.  What part of my statement don't you understand so far?  Can you imagine what a discussion forum would look like if people could post as much garbage as they wanted?  It'd be chaos, and eventually it would fail.  

Please realize it was Theymos himself who put the merit in place, so he's obviously sick of idiots posting in a language they can't speak.  This whole argument isn't discriminating against non-English speakers, but if you can't speak it you aren't qualified to do a job that requires posting in English.  End of story.  Too bad, so sad, bye-bye.

I don't wanna be a jr. Member for life.

Stop posting one-line shitposts and you might have a chance.  But you probably didn't even have to ask this question; you could have read thousands of threads about this.

[nioschka]

The problem lies in your attitude toward this forum.  Bitcointalk is not a "job"; bitcoin is not a "job".  This is a forum

And that's where I think you're wrong. This forum is much more than "a forum" - it's a place where people can work for crypto currencies. You don't have that opportunity on other forums - this is the place. I guess you guys maybe didn't want that to happen, but it happened - and, don't get me wrong, it's a good thing. I'll explain what I mean by that.

Just remember the "good old times" when Bitcoin was worth 1 USD, and the power consumption has far exceeded any logical an economic reason to mine. Wasn't you thinking then: "This is a good thing, if people can only understand! If we can only convince people that this is future, if only people start to use this technology, their life will be easier, they'll be making money, they'll be pissing on governments and banks and accountants. This will be the future if they can only make a little mental effort and understand the greatness of this, and start participating!"
And they did.

Bitcointalk is not a job, you're right, but it's the place where people can find a job. And because they could do that, the word of crypto industry has spread, other people did find out about a whole new industry that needs free work force for its growth, work force that will not work for money, but for some "money wannabee", some new strange currencies and the promises they offer. And they tried. When they have earned money, they started to buy and invest, and the wheel that was stuck for years, started to move.

Bitcoin is not a job, but without jobs around it, it is worthless. Just think about it and you will see (begin with the graphics cards industry). Without altcoins, bitcoin is nothing more than an interesting "hacker's game" or however they called it in the newspapers just a few years ago. There's no industry without jobs. There's no bitcoin (or any other currency) without people. How many people in the world have USD, and how many of them can speak English? If you try to listen to every man or woman who works for USD, use them, pay bills with them, that would be a chaos - you're right. But it's precisely that chaos what made USD the world currency. If only well educated, eloquent people, economists, and blah, blah, worked for and used Dollars as mean of payment - it would not exist.

Don't get me wrong - I believe that you and everybody here did the great thing for the blockchain technology with Bitcointalk and that tech will do good for the people in return. But the technology HAS TO SPREAD if it wants to live, it's a normal development path. It has to have more currencies, more users, more workers, more marketing, more everything. I'm just afraid that diverting ignorant and low skilled people from the only place where they can earn crypto (at the moment), you're suffocating the development. I can give you the numerous examples of the similar stillborn industries that have died out because their makers were not ready for the thing they have created, tried to make it an elite thing, and blah, blah, but I'm already shitting a lot.

Try not to maltreat people too much, because if they go away, development will stumble (and when it get stuck, it will unfortunately die) and all of us who believe in this thing will have nothing (and I don't speak only about money).

[safetrade]

Complainment about the nre merit system is full of this board, why not the administrator take a measure to solve this problem? there is no use of this merit system but cause people disappointed to this forum, scam post will forever last if the forum run, stopping user from rank up is not a good idea indeed

Agreed, it's starting to look more than a little silly.    Of course it's not an easy problem to solve, maybe what you need (other than a software upgrade) is the human touch.

Bitcointalk "masternode" admins, if you will.   


Make a lower level of admin that has time to clean up all the messes and is motivated to do so.       When bitcointalk was at its finest, it's because of the incredible activity and effort from the admins.   Now crypto has grown 100x larger, but same number of admins.   That's the problem.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

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Two things:

1)  If only everyone wrote like you, there wouldn't be such a problem with post quality.  What I'm fighting are people who post absolute nonsense over and over because they are incentivized to do so by signature campaigns.  They are not qualified to take on a writing job, plain and simple.  Ultimately this is a discussion forum, whatever your thoughts about bitcoin are.  If people are actually going to be given the opportunity to make money by posting, there are (and have to be) minimum standards for quality.  There is a large contingent of members who cannot form proper sentences and who keep repeating the same nonsense repeatedly.  They do not belong here.

2)  Do you really think any of these shitposters care about bitcoin?  Absolutely not!  Do you know how many times I've read "bitcoin is a job, I join bitcoin because we can get profit..."?  That's the continuing mantra of these people, and all bitcoin is to them is a way to earn more fiat.  I have no proof of this, so don't ask me, but I am firmly convinced of this.  To them, bitcoin IS bitcointalk, and my guess is that they just convert btc-->fiat and buy what they need.  They could care less about any other aspect of bitcoin and most know nothing about it.  

So if your argument is that sig campaigns stimulate bitcoiners, I'd have to disagree, but the main point is about this forum and not about bitcoin and how these people are to its community.  You might as well argue that scammers are an important part of the bitcoin economy.  

One question:  Would you endorse people who don't know how to program anything and can only write rudimentary code to get jobs at Konami or Square Enix making video games?  They should be allowed to make games, right?  Konami would be discriminating against them if they weren't hired, right?  Think about it.  It's the same question a lot of us have asked here, and it's what these shitposters don't seem to ever grasp.

Like you are getting out-numbered by shitposters.

Roger that.  The only other option is to give in, but I'm not about to do so.

[safetrade]

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Two things:

1)  If only everyone wrote like you, there wouldn't be such a problem with post quality.  What I'm fighting are people who post absolute nonsense over and over because they are incentivized to do so by signature campaigns.  They are not qualified to take on a writing job, plain and simple.  Ultimately this is a discussion forum, whatever your thoughts about bitcoin are.  If people are actually going to be given the opportunity to make money by posting, there are (and have to be) minimum standards for quality.  There is a large contingent of members who cannot form proper sentences and who keep repeating the same nonsense repeatedly.  They do not belong here.

2)  Do you really think any of these shitposters care about bitcoin?  Absolutely not!  Do you know how many times I've read "bitcoin is a job, I join bitcoin because we can get profit..."?  That's the continuing mantra of these people, and all bitcoin is to them is a way to earn more fiat.  I have no proof of this, so don't ask me, but I am firmly convinced of this.  To them, bitcoin IS bitcointalk, and my guess is that they just convert btc-->fiat and buy what they need.  They could care less about any other aspect of bitcoin and most know nothing about it. 

So if your argument is that sig campaigns stimulate bitcoiners, I'd have to disagree, but the main point is about this forum and not about bitcoin and how these people are to its community.  You might as well argue that scammers are an important part of the bitcoin economy. 

One question:  Would you endorse people who don't know how to program anything and can only write rudimentary code to get jobs at Konami or Square Enix making video games?  They should be allowed to make games, right?  Konami would be discriminating against them if they weren't hired, right?  Think about it.  It's the same question a lot of us have asked here, and it's what these shitposters don't seem to ever grasp.

When I read this, I feel like there is a sense of being overwhelmed.

Like you are getting out-numbered by shitposters.

And now it's impossible not to equate that to the real world.

But this isn't the real world, it is forum software.   Very, very old forum software that doesn't do basic things like recognize spammers on registration.

Why not update it?