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February 05, 2018, 03:41:26 PM |
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It bothers me a lot so I had to let it out. I don't need to explain how much corrupt goverments hurt the entire planet. I want to figure out how to bring down corrupt governments efficiently.
I'll write down few steps, not necessarily in the right order, some of them are bad, obvious, unrealistic but nevertheless...
One of the major problems is that poor people can't afford standing in protests all day because they will lose their job and put their family at risk. To solve that problem, the leaders will have to supply them with enough funds.
Find passionate leaders and educate them how to efficiently chose who needs to get paid. Teach them how not to get caught by the government and make sure they teach the protesters.
Contact the businesses of the protesters and let them know about the upcoming long protests. Offer a reasonable amount of money if they disagree to let their employees protest as long as needed.
Possibly offer money to the corrupt businesses that will try to help the corrupt government.
Possibly educate the police and offer them money not to participate in silencing the protests but to make sure there is no unnecessary violence on the streets.
Make sure there is enough food to keep the protesters strong.
Identify the weakest points of the corrupt leaders, for example try to bring their family or at least friends to go against the corrupt leaders.
Perhaps combine the blockchain ideas that "aidcoin" uses to make the donations transparent to minimize the money loss to thieves.
I'm not smart enough to do it myself but if it reaches the right people they will figure out how to make it work.
If scam coins are raising 8-9 figures then a cryptocurrency that supposed to fight corruption should earn at least something. I was born in a country with a very cruel dictator in power, this subject is very close to my heart but i'm far from smart enough to do something about it but if you do then please. for the love of mankind, do something to stop those people abusing their power.
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February 05, 2018, 05:35:50 PM |
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Unfortunately corruption is endemic world wide and not limited to under-developed countries. In the UK give enough to the governing party and you get a knighthood or similar; and of course if you are in a good job in government and you retire or loose your seat then you get a nice well paid directorship.
Hopefully one day a universal decentralised currency like Bitcoin will take the power back to the people.
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February 05, 2018, 09:39:04 PM |
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Yes you have spoken well, Surely transparency and accountability at all levels should form part of the response? If the citizenry and the media can't tell what's happening, how are they to expect more sources of corruption? There should be an enforcement of rules and regulations, but only if they work. Building strong, transparent, accountable institutions that citizens can trust is surely crucial, and trust is the foundation of legitimacy.
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February 05, 2018, 11:01:00 PM |
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Key ingredients to fight corruption, Government must promote transparency and access to information, Countries successful at curbing corruption have a long tradition of government openness, freedom of the press, Transparency and access to information. Access to information increases the responsiveness of government bodies, While simultaneously having a positive effect on the levels of public participation in a country.
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February 05, 2018, 11:18:18 PM |
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When it come to corruption no one is left out and there no better to fight ccorrruption than to start at home because charity begin at home. However, this thread ought to be posted in the Politic and Society section not here.
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February 06, 2018, 01:40:04 AM |
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Today, the problem of corruption is extremely important and urgent in the political, economic and social life of both Russia and the whole world. Each of us knows what it is, and perhaps many have already experienced bribery in practice. The fact is that corruption exists in almost all spheres of society, it manifests itself in a variety of forms and types.
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February 06, 2018, 08:24:51 AM |
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This thread needs to move to off-topic discussion.. It should not be in Project Development.. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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February 06, 2018, 03:44:44 PM |
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Contact the businesses of the protesters and let them know about the upcoming long protests. Offer a reasonable amount of money if they disagree to let their employees protest as long as needed.
Possibly offer money to the corrupt businesses that will try to help the corrupt government.
Possibly educate the police and offer them money not to participate in silencing the protests but to make sure there is no unnecessary violence on the streets.
Wouldn't this be a form of corruption as well? Giving out money isn't always the solution to a problem - especially to corruption. A country isn't corrupt just because it is poor. It all boils down to the system and the morals of a person. Even with all the riches in the world, a country still become corrupt. Offering money to the police so that they won't silence protests or make sure that there is no unnecessary violence in the streets won't guarantee good results; the police may just choose to pocket this money and a clear practice of most politicians.
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February 07, 2018, 12:27:17 AM |
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I know it's wrong but in some countries the situation is so extreme that perhaps you need to do whatever it takes. I was just throwing ideas in hope that someone really smart will read them and perhaps come up with a much better plan.
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February 07, 2018, 03:23:14 AM |
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Unfortunately most of people in this world still use fiat. Most of fiat transactions are not recorded. All cryptocurrency transactions are recorded so people alwqys able to see where the money go. It is impossible to fight corruption alone. You have to unite with many people, in my country there is an independent institution that oversee the use of state money. The official institution also exist. But against the corrupters is not an easy job. They can make terrible conspiracy.
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February 07, 2018, 03:30:10 PM |
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Very great speech to be honest. But I am sorry to tell you that being optimistic and positive for too long will get you nowhere. Those people already have power. If you want to surpass a monster, you should be a stronger monster. That means if you want to take corrupted people down, you should become corrupted too.
We have been taught since we were kids that good would win in the end. But when you relate it to the reality, you find that evil is always winning and there is no end to it. Mankind has already lost to their greed and selfishness. Everything is gone...
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February 07, 2018, 03:39:02 PM |
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I think that corruption can not be defeated. Corruption is inherent in human nature and as soon as a person has such a possibility, be sure that he will use it.
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February 07, 2018, 09:44:53 PM Last edit: February 08, 2018, 03:53:51 PM by Baoo |
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Honestly, it is unfortunate that the corruption is very widespread in the entire world and it is one of the biggest problems in this era. As well , it exists in most fields and this has caused economic problems in many countries ( especially the poorest ones ) and delayed in the culture of many of them( particularly in Africa and Asia ).
On the other hand, the ideas must be implemented through actions rather than providing solutions only. I guess that there are many ways to fight this corruption and it will be as this following: Trying to reduce the proportion of bribery because it is very high in some countries. Many fields must be monitored in the whole society, and all laws against corruption should be implemented and must punish those who resort the corruption to achieve their goals.
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klema (OP)
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February 10, 2018, 10:07:02 PM |
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I'm taking action in my own small world. If you know a bigger group that have the same idea in mind I would love to join. For many years I was all about transparency but I'm afraid the only way to reduce corruption is to reduce transparency, specially when it comes to people in power.
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February 11, 2018, 10:59:33 AM |
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I think that corruption can not be defeated. Corruption is inherent in human nature and as soon as a person has such a possibility, be sure that he will use it.
It cant really be defeated or nearly impossible to removed because its always been part of human nature to be greedy and when they are on the position or do see the chance on doing such thing then temptation is really on high chance that it would be done.In result it would really be still committed for those people who are on the top. I'm taking action in my own small world. If you know a bigger group that have the same idea in mind I would love to join. For many years I was all about transparency but I'm afraid the only way to reduce corruption is to reduce transparency, specially when it comes to people in power.
This is only possible for federalism type of government which I do see the some transparency and don't expect for big groups to fight this, there might be some but doesn't really completely make an impact to completely stop it.
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February 11, 2018, 01:22:29 PM |
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The best was is to provide or become decentralised but as you know power rules your mind when you come in contact with it,so it is not easy the government of certain country will accept decentralised nature.even the countries with largest democracy greatly suffer from corruption , corruption is not just of money but abuse of power given to some elected representatives.we need e-governance to provide better transaction of procedure.
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February 11, 2018, 05:37:32 PM |
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Key ingredients to fight corruption, Government must promote transparency and access to information, Countries successful at curbing corruption have a long tradition of government openness, freedom of the press, Transparency and access to information. Access to information increases the responsiveness of government bodies, While simultaneously having a positive effect on the levels of public participation in a country.
you are all just a bunch of freaks, the very concept of "government" is undividably interlinked with a standerdised national (meaning lingual) financial center, cryptos are against the very concept, now even if our friend here that suffered during his life from a "dictator" for example simbabwe, tries to create an "aidcoin" to problem is weather the entire production chain worldwide is going to support it, and this is also quite difficult because even if you can understand someone you dont know weather they will "believe you" if you have problems with a "dictator" simply find yourself a new dictator, like a religious community, i bet the pope would be happy to replace your dictator, soon they will have their own money too regards
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February 11, 2018, 08:39:54 PM |
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Lets take a dictator from Europe for example. Theres at least 100 passionate leaders that want to bring him down. Every leader is capable of bringing 10-10000 people with him by using social media and other tools. First, they can use hidden private networks to communicate and form a plan. Then they launch a coin which will get a little bit of funds, I assume at least 7 figures. This money should be enough to get to some politicians, police officers and convince more protesters to participate. I assume a lot of people will be beaten and jailed and those will be rewarded according to their contribution which might raise others spirit. Now the problem is, even if the corrupt leader steps down, there is not many better alternatives but at least people no longer feel oppressed, there is hope.
I know it looks very unrealistic but if there is a 0.0001% chance that someone really smart and passionate will see it, perhaps it will spark much better ideas in his mind. I
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February 11, 2018, 11:55:14 PM |
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Almost all of your points are about bribery and professional protesters... If people are fighting for a cause they shouldn't receive money for that, otherwise they will be just mercenaries. In the end, police and all other sectors of society are citizens too and must be persuated to join forces by the ideal behind the movement and not by bribery.
And we must be very cautious about it, because it's not always that protests are legit and have loyal ideals behind it. Some of them are leaded by other corrupt people to cause chaos in the country or just to defeat one corrupt party, but to put another corrupt one next...
It's a very complex subject, not so easy to deal with it.
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February 12, 2018, 12:53:07 AM |
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Sir, the government I'm talking about controls the media, spreads misinformation, jails protesters, kills innocent people and robs billions for decades. The people there too oppressed to do something without major incentives. Please try to come up with solutions, most comments here are not very helpful :/
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