Butterfly Labs announcing new preorder marketplace

[tacoman71]

They just posted this on their Facebook page:

Announcing a Pre-Order Marketplace

New customers frequently ask us how they can move up in the order queue, and at times offer us more money to do so. Of course, we refuse. We also have customers who decide to sell their orders on eBay or other venues. Unfortunately, doing so requires a secure form of transfer, and the trust factor simply makes it difficult for a seller to find buyers.

Butterfly Labs is excited to announce a platform that will help merge the needs of both parties. Starting today, a seller will be able to announce the sale of their pre-order position in our classifieds forum. They will establish the terms of sale and make the deal on their own. Once a deal has been made, they will use the transfer system in their account Dashboard to transfer an order to a new owner. When both parties verify and agree to the terms, the order will be moved to the buyer's account.

We expect the order transfer system to be in place by September 10, 2013. We are posting this information now so that you can get a head start posting and selling your order positions in preparation of the launch of this program.

Butterfly Labs will only provide the platform for the order transfer to take place. We are not responsible for any deals made between our customers. Use of the order transfer system is solely the risk of the parties making the order transfer deal. Buyer's must agree to the original terms of the sale, and specifically to the no refund policy.

What do you think about this new announcement?
www.facebook.com/ButterflyLabs

[PuertoLibre]

Speculatively Translated:

We have a retention problem. People aren't willing to wait until the order queue is fully processed. So they are "bailing on us" for other companies with better offers and forcibly pulling money out of our bank accounts.

We couldn't figure out a way to keep them waiting in line and leaving with their money. We are letting people with spots closer to being serviced in the backlog to sell off their order numbers for some monetary sum. Which means we will keep our newer customers and give "added" value to those who no longer want their orders. (thereby circumventing the forced refund process)

So go along with us. We need this cash. We need to keep our newer customers and our cash flow is probably running real low.

Transfer your unwanted position in line for some cash and keep us solvent, pretty please!

(This is my personal interpretation behind the bullshit.)

[miter_myles]

If they are working on "features" like this.. that means all the back log of orders is completed right?

[Bicknellski]

Speculatively Translated:

We have a retention problem. People aren't willing to wait until the order queue is fully processed. So they are "bailing on us" for other companies with better offers and forcibly pulling money out of our bank accounts.

We couldn't figure out a way to keep them waiting in line and leaving with their money. We are letting people with spots closer to being serviced in the backlog to sell off their order numbers for some monetary sum. Which means we will keep our newer customers and give "added" value to those who no longer want their orders. (thereby circumventing the forced refund process)

So go along with us. We need this cash. We need to keep our newer customers and our cash flow is probably running real low.

Transfer your unwanted position in line for some cash and keep us solvent, pretty please!

(This is my personal interpretation behind the bullshit.)

You speak fluent BFL... amazing where did you study PuertoLibre?

[PuertoLibre]

Speculatively Translated:

We have a retention problem. People aren't willing to wait until the order queue is fully processed. So they are "bailing on us" for other companies with better offers and forcibly pulling money out of our bank accounts.

We couldn't figure out a way to keep them waiting in line and leaving with their money. We are letting people with spots closer to being serviced in the backlog to sell off their order numbers for some monetary sum. Which means we will keep our newer customers and give "added" value to those who no longer want their orders. (thereby circumventing the forced refund process)

So go along with us. We need this cash. We need to keep our newer customers and our cash flow is probably running real low.

Transfer your unwanted position in line for some cash and keep us solvent, pretty please!

(This is my personal interpretation behind the bullshit.)

You speak fluent BFL... amazing where did you study PuertoLibre?

At the Inaba institute of higher learning.

We get our PHD with professor Inaba.

[Xian01]

 Damn. That's some pretty impressive speculation. I would guess you're probably not far off the mark with regard to the solvency aspect.

Speculatively Translated:

We have a retention problem. People aren't willing to wait until the order queue is fully processed. So they are "bailing on us" for other companies with better offers and forcibly pulling money out of our bank accounts.

We couldn't figure out a way to keep them waiting in line and leaving with their money. We are letting people with spots closer to being serviced in the backlog to sell off their order numbers for some monetary sum. Which means we will keep our newer customers and give "added" value to those who no longer want their orders. (thereby circumventing the forced refund process)

So go along with us. We need this cash. We need to keep our newer customers and our cash flow is probably running real low.

Transfer your unwanted position in line for some cash and keep us solvent, pretty please!

(This is my personal interpretation behind the bullshit.)

[DyslexicZombei]

... We also have customers who decide to sell their orders on eBay or other venues. Unfortunately, doing so requires a secure form of transfer, and the trust factor simply makes it difficult for a seller to find buyers.

Trust factor?

If you're not BFL & you have a solid ebay rep by not pissing off anyone - like moi - you easily sell 3 Jalapenos with 2 of them being pre-orders!
D'oh! So much for that argument.

Yoda says: "The fail is strong in that one."

[Flying Hellfish]

I think BFL left some money on the table here, why aren't they charging a 10% transfer fee?  Why not milk the investomer a little more!!

This definitely appears to be a move to preserve liquidity by slowing down refund requests and complaints to regulators by helping people shift an unwanted order to someone else rather than going to the hassle of filing a complaint for refused refund.  This makes me believe that BFL is nervous.

BFL needs the orders to stay on the books at all cost, the more complaints the regulators get the closer they are going to be looking at BFL and I guess no one at BFL wants that! 

I don't believe for one second BFL cares about the aftermarket sale integrity.  What benefit does it have for BFL who holds the order the product is paid for and will ship at the same time regardless of who owns the order.  The only thing they care about with this program is to keep the order on the books, they will certainly parade around telling anyone who wants to cancel to go and sell it on their site and they will help with the transfer (free of charge?).

[DyslexicZombei]

Beautiful insights. I think you summed it up perfectly. Thanks!

[madmax_ger]

If they are working on "features" like this.. that means all the back log of orders is completed right?

yes, since 2 weeks! already!

[YipYip]

I dont understand why they would need any of this

Are they not clearing all back orders in the next 2 weeks ....??

Are these assholes so bad that they are now creating s/w to help maintain the LONG CON....

[Unacceptable]

September 15th is coming fast  

Have you got your refund yet 

[Bicknellski]

Say it with me BFL is just

shady.

[PuertoLibre]

I dont understand why they would need any of this

Are they not clearing all back orders in the next 2 weeks ....??

Are these assholes so bad that they are now creating s/w to help maintain the LONG CON....

Expect the SQL and DB server to be powered by a used Beowolf cluster.

[elux]

Speculatively Translated:

We have a retention problem. People aren't willing to wait until the order queue is fully processed. So they are "bailing on us" for other companies with better offers and forcibly pulling money out of our bank accounts.

We couldn't figure out a way to keep them waiting in line and leaving with their money. We are letting people with spots closer to being serviced in the backlog to sell off their order numbers for some monetary sum. Which means we will keep our newer customers and give "added" value to those who no longer want their orders. (thereby circumventing the forced refund process)

So go along with us. We need this cash. We need to keep our newer customers and our cash flow is probably running real low.

Transfer your unwanted position in line for some cash and keep us solvent, pretty please!

(This is my personal interpretation behind the bullshit.)

You speak fluent BFL... amazing where did you study PuertoLibre?

At the Inaba institute of higher learning.

Surely you mean the Vleisides School of Business?

Brought to you by the creators of Butterfly Labs,
industry leading experts in offers you can't refuse.

/snark

[joeventura]

If they are working on "features" like this.. that means all the back log of orders is completed right?

Not now, not a month from now, not by Christmas

[SkRRJyTC]

> We expect the order transfer system to be in place by September 10, 2013

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[rm187]

> We expect the order transfer system to be in place by September 10, 2013

...

what happens on 9/11? Well its official pre-orders are worthless as fiat.

[Unacceptable]

Maybe.............a preorder stock market    Buy/sell/trade your preorders today!!!!!!  

Wrap em up like the banks did mortgages & sell em all over the world 

[PuertoLibre]

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