SPACEX FALCON HEAVY TEST LAUNCH

[amishmanish]

SpaceX successfully completed its test launch of the Falcon Heavy rocket. In typical Elon fashion, The simulated payload consisted on Elon Musk's own cherry red Tesla roadster with a dummy passenger (named Starman and wearing Tesla's spacesuit).
You gotta fucking love Elon.

The third booster hasn't been accounted for but they re-landed two of the boosters successfully. Its bloody epic to watch the live feed.

Guardian coverage: https://www.theguardian.com/science/live/2018/feb/06/spacex-falcon-heavy-launch-elon-musk-live-updates
Youtube link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbSwFU6tY1c

Every Man, Woman and Child everywhere should watch this...

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[amishmanish]

It is awesome, and this time we have roadster in space.

Yeah its completely insane. Elon Musk is a masterful marketer too. The Roadster has David Bowie playing in radio.
He tweeted a photograph of a chip inside the roadster which reads "Made on Earth by Humans". How insanely inspiring and cool is that..

Everyone awaits the fate of the core stage now.

[Jitra]

One thing it proved to the naysayers that the earth is indeed round, and not flat...

[BTCMILLIONAIRE]

I love this man. Can't wait to retire on Mars in a few decades. Hope the internet will be figured out to keep a realtime supply of earth memes.

[Vod]

I love this man. Can't wait to retire on Mars in a few decades. Hope the internet will be figured out to keep a realtime supply of earth memes.

You'll probably need to be a BTCBILLIONAIRE to do that....  Emigration to Mars will be limited for the first few decades and only the highest paying will get a ticket.

And physics states that any internet packet leaving earth will have a latency of 180 seconds! at Mars' closest approach to earth.  Obviously any information you are viewing will need to be pre-cached on the Mars-net, or you'll have to wait a few minutes each time you click a link. 

[BTCMILLIONAIRE]

I love this man. Can't wait to retire on Mars in a few decades. Hope the internet will be figured out to keep a realtime supply of earth memes.

You'll probably need to be a BTCBILLIONAIRE to do that....  Emigration to Mars will be limited for the first few decades and only the highest paying will get a ticket.

And physics states that any internet packet leaving earth will have a latency of 180 seconds! at Mars' closest approach to earth.  Obviously any information you are viewing will need to be pre-cached on the Mars-net, or you'll have to wait a few minutes each time you click a link. 

Working on the B.
Still got quite a few decades to get there, as well as for the first Mars colonies to develop, so I'm not very concerned. And that's ignoring potential breakthroughs in longevity research.

I'm fine with 180 seconds delay since I'd be mostly interested in whatever replaces Youtube and shitposting/lurking by that time. Who knows what will happen decades from now though, as I have never seen any conclusive proof about light being the fastest possible transmission of information / upper speed limit. It's a natural consequence in the Mathematics of GR (one naturally emerging limit case), but that's ultimately just a model (with immensely great success) that clearly still has massive gaps that remain to be filled by future models.

[bulldogtattoo]

That was one of the best things I've ever watched while having breakfast!
Awesome!

[Vod]

as I have never seen any conclusive proof about light being the fastest possible transmission of information / upper speed limit.

Ah, you calling Einstein a little bitch eh?   

The running theory is that the speed of light is the limit in our universe.  We've even observed gravity waves moving out at the speed of light - but no faster.

Think about this for a second - if the speed of light is the absolute speed limit, then we will never meet alien life, nor we will colonize the galaxy.

Sobering thoughts.  :/

[BTCMILLIONAIRE]

Ah, you calling Einstein a little bitch eh?   

The running theory is that the speed of light is the limit in our universe.  We've even observed gravity waves moving out at the speed of light - but no faster.

Think about this for a second - if the speed of light is the absolute speed limit, then we will never meet alien life, nor we will colonize the galaxy.

Sobering thoughts.  :/

He was a nerd, of course he's a little bitch.

Jokes aside, while it's well possible that light is the end all be all upper speed limit, I still haven't seen anything that convinced me of that being the case. Heck, we're incapable of even really studying something like 95% of the "stuff" in our observable universe alone, and who knows how much is outside of it. Given from what I've learned from studying Mathematics I don't think that the universe could be in any way finite, so I'm expecting there to be an infinite amount of knowledge to be created in the future for as long as conscious beings exist. The "worst case" scenario would be that we're simply incapable of accessing superluminal speeds (as humans), but I would be quite surprised if they really weren't possible. Viability of practical applications aside, entanglement technically is one type of superluminal transmission of information that we know to exist.

As far as colonizing the galaxy goes. I don't have the exact numbers of the milky way in my head anymore, but wouldn't it be possible for humans to just go from planet to planet slowly if we were capable of moving around close to the speed of light? Galaxies other than the Milky Way would be a completely different story though. And that's ignoring the problem of the expansion of the universe, which drives "stuff" further away from us as time passes.

The sheer size of the universe makes it quite sobering to think of all the stuff that we might never experience if death turns out to be an actual end though. I'm already overloaded with things that I want to do just on earth alone right now, nevermind what will be possible in the near future.

[Vod]

As far as colonizing the galaxy goes. I don't have the exact numbers of the milky way in my head anymore, but wouldn't it be possible for humans to just go from planet to planet slowly if we were capable of moving around close to the speed of light?

You can't just jump to the speed of light.  You need to accelerate large amounts of mass to 99% the speed of light - it takes INCREDIBLE amounts of energy (E=MC^2 and we know what a large number C is).

Currently, the slowest form of propulsion, and the most fuel-efficient, is the ion engine.  For the first half of your journey you would be pressed into your seat by acceleration, then the second half you would be turned around and pressed into your seat by deceleration.  I guess we would probably need to be unconscious.

Proxima Centauri is the nearest star, and it is ONLY 4.24 light years away.

So if ionic propulsion were to be used for a mission to Proxima Centauri, the thrusters would need a huge source of energy production (i.e. nuclear power) and a large quantity of propellant (although still less than conventional rockets). But based on the assumption that a supply of 81.5 kg of xenon propellant translates into a maximum velocity of 56,000 km/hr (and that there are no other forms of propulsion available, such as a gravitational slingshot to accelerate it further), some calculations can be made.

In short, at a maximum velocity of 56,000 km/h, you would take over 81,000 years to traverse the 4.24 light years between Earth and Proxima Centauri. To put that time-scale into perspective, that would be over 2,700 human generations.

Our Galaxy is 980,000 light years across.  :/

[BTCMILLIONAIRE]

As far as colonizing the galaxy goes. I don't have the exact numbers of the milky way in my head anymore, but wouldn't it be possible for humans to just go from planet to planet slowly if we were capable of moving around close to the speed of light?

You can't just jump to the speed of light.  You need to accelerate large amounts of mass to 99% the speed of light - it takes INCREDIBLE amounts of energy (E=MC^2 and we know what a large number C is).

Currently, the slowest form of propulsion, and the most fuel-efficient, is the ion engine.  For the first half of your journey you would be pressed into your seat by acceleration, then the second half you would be turned around and pressed into your seat by deceleration.  I guess we would probably need to be unconscious.

Proxima Centauri is the nearest star, and it is ONLY 4.24 light years away.

So if ionic propulsion were to be used for a mission to Proxima Centauri, the thrusters would need a huge source of energy production (i.e. nuclear power) and a large quantity of propellant (although still less than conventional rockets). But based on the assumption that a supply of 81.5 kg of xenon propellant translates into a maximum velocity of 56,000 km/hr (and that there are no other forms of propulsion available, such as a gravitational slingshot to accelerate it further), some calculations can be made.

In short, at a maximum velocity of 56,000 km/h, you would take over 81,000 years to traverse the 4.24 light years between Earth and Proxima Centauri. To put that time-scale into perspective, that would be over 2,700 human generations.

Our Galaxy is 980,000 light years across.  :/

That would mean something like 2 million years at 50% the speed of light to get across. Let's be generous and overestimate to upwards of 10 million years to colonize whatever can be. That's virtually nothing compared to the time until a potential heat death, which may or may not even take place.

Without any means for teleportation/breaking the speed limit it would certainly require many generations of people to even get to every place that humans can settle in, but it's not impossible. And if humans don't get wiped out by themselves or some natural extinction kind of event, I don't see why we wouldn't end up colonizing the galaxy. In fact, it would seem inevitable to me if humans don't die out. Who knows if whatever reaches different places can still be called human though, the differences are bound to be quite drastic on those time scales. Communication would be pretty much nonexistant without superluminal transmission of information as well and a holiday trip across the galaxy won't be possible either, which makes the whole prospect at least as exciting as sobering.

As far as energy is concerned: https://ourworldindata.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/global-primary-energy-consumption-1800-2015-1.png
And we're still absolutely terrible at harnessing the energy output of the sun. Plus, if "uploading human consciousness" turns out to be possible, the amount of mass that would have to be sent through space could be drastically lowered. That would also allow for conscious travel, perhaps within a digital world. Although that would seem to make the whole endeavour redundant beyond climbing a mountain simply because it's there.

[Vod]

And if humans don't get wiped out by themselves or some natural extinction kind of event, I don't see why we wouldn't end up colonizing the galaxy. In fact, it would seem inevitable to me if humans don't die out.

By that logic, the galaxy should be partly colonized already by civilizations that have been around longer than we have.  We're orbiting a second generation star, so every being that evolved under the first generation stars should be billions of years ahead of us in technology, right?

[Vod]

We're orbiting a second generation star, so every being that evolved under the first generation stars should be billions of years ahead of us in technology, right?

Actually, that's faulty logic on my part....   First generation stars would have been created from nothing but Hydrogen and Helium.  There would be no planets.  The first generation stars would have created and distributed the heavy elements that form our planets and current sun via supernova.   So first generation stars could not have produced life.  :/

[BTCMILLIONAIRE]

By that logic, the galaxy should be partly colonized already by civilizations that have been around longer than we have.  We're orbiting a second generation star, so every being that evolved under the first generation stars should be billions of years ahead of us in technology, right?

That would require a civilization to actually have existed for a long enough time to be millions/billions of years ahead of us without having gone extinct. They would also have to exist in sufficient proximity of us.

Who knows how many galaxies (if any) are already partially or even fully colonized, but simply beyond our reach? We can only see as far as the light allows us to. And if the actual, rather than just the observable, universe is actually expanding faster than light that would make it virtually impossible to even attempt reaching some places. Given the potentially infinite size of the universe it seems potentially infinitely improbable for such a civilization not to exist in some place. But we know for fact that we haven't really seen shit yet. Maybe we got lucky and we're the first to get a shot, or maybe we're unlucky and just happened to be dropped in a place with nobody else close by.

[BTCMILLIONAIRE]

We're orbiting a second generation star, so every being that evolved under the first generation stars should be billions of years ahead of us in technology, right?

Actually, that's faulty logic on my part....   First generation stars would have been created from nothing but Hydrogen and Helium.  There would be no planets.  The first generation stars would have created and distributed the heavy elements that form our planets and current sun via supernova.   So first generation stars could not have produced life.  :/

I haven't studied astrophysics so I wouldn't know this. But that could be another potential reason for not seeing anybody around us.

[Raisa rahmi]

SpaceX successfully completed its test launch of the Falcon Heavy rocket. In typical Elon fashion, The simulated payload consisted on Elon Musk's own cherry red Tesla roadster with a dummy passenger (named Starman and wearing Tesla's spacesuit).
You gotta fucking love Elon.

The third booster hasn't been accounted for but they re-landed two of the boosters successfully. Its bloody epic to watch the live feed.

Guardian coverage: https://www.theguardian.com/science/live/2018/feb/06/spacex-falcon-heavy-launch-elon-musk-live-updates
Youtube link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbSwFU6tY1c

Every Man, Woman and Child everywhere should watch this...

for me it was an amazing launch, the SpaceX Falcon Heavy rocket successfully launched its newest rocket, Falcon Heavy. This success made SpaceX the company that transformed the space rocket business. SpaceX is led by billionaire Elon Musk who is currently staying digadang as the owner of the company's strongest rocket operations in the world. The WorldX's First Space Challenge Rockets Successfully landed Falcon Heavy airs on Tuesday, February 6 at 3:45 pm local time from Kennedy Space Center, in Cape Carnaveral, Florida. By using recycled rocket boosters, SpaceX packages cost rocket costs so it's cheaper. Before SpaceX implemented this way, the rocket launch company used a disposable thruster that always changed every mission

[Vod]

for me it was an amazing launch, the SpaceX Falcon Heavy rocket successfully launched its newest rocket, Falcon Heavy. This success made SpaceX the company that transformed the space rocket business. SpaceX is led by billionaire Elon Musk who is currently staying digadang as the owner of the company's strongest rocket operations in the world. The WorldX's First Space Challenge Rockets Successfully landed Falcon Heavy airs on Tuesday, February 6 at 3:45 pm local time from Kennedy Space Center, in Cape Carnaveral, Florida. By using recycled rocket boosters, SpaceX packages cost rocket costs so it's cheaper. Before SpaceX implemented this way, the rocket launch company used a disposable thruster that always changed every mission

^ ^ ^ Garbage spammer that only reads the first post and comments with as many adjectives/adverbs as they can to boost their word count.  

And I was having such a nice conversation....

[Vod]

Who knows how many galaxies (if any) are already partially or even fully colonized, but simply beyond our reach? We can only see as far as the light allows us to. And if the actual, rather than just the observable, universe is actually expanding faster than light that would make it virtually impossible to even attempt reaching some places.

Why do we have to reach everywhere?  We only need to look nearby.  What if a civilization evolved a million years ahead of us (almost 100% probability when you look at the numbers) - they would be expanding and colonizing by now.  Why haven't we detected anything?

Possible answer:  Earth only broadcast into space for a little under a hundred years.  Now we are mostly digital - which does not send any radio waves into space.  If someone was looking for us, they would have to detect us in that timeframe.   So what are the chances we will detect another civilization via radio waves?

If humanity survives and goes out to the stars, I believe the first contact we will have with another life form is when we invade their planet with our colony vessels.  :/

[LeviTheFrog]

At least first car in space is low pollution. Elon is madman genius. You can say what you want about him, but you have to agree - he has the style.

[BTCMILLIONAIRE]

Why do we have to reach everywhere?  We only need to look nearby.  What if a civilization evolved a million years ahead of us (almost 100% probability when you look at the numbers) - they would be expanding and colonizing by now.  Why haven't we detected anything?

Possible answer:  Earth only broadcast into space for a little under a hundred years.  Now we are mostly digital - which does not send any radio waves into space.  If someone was looking for us, they would have to detect us in that timeframe.   So what are the chances we will detect another civilization via radio waves?

If humanity survives and goes out to the stars, I believe the first contact we will have with another life form is when we invade their planet with our colony vessels.  :/

We don't have to look everywhere, but as far as I'm aware we have looked virtually nowhere so far. I would also be cautious about assuming that radio waves would be used by such an advanced civilization. They could very well be using different frequencies. But that's overall an interesting point that I haven't really thought of yet.

What if we haven't found any other civilizations because they don't broadcast anything that we would search for into space? That combined with the tiny bit of universe that we have even attempted of exploring "in detail" so far further decreases the chances of finding anything.

[Vod]

I would also be cautious about assuming that radio waves would be used by such an advanced civilization. They could very well be using different frequencies. But that's overall an interesting point that I haven't really thought of yet.

What if we haven't found any other civilizations because they don't broadcast anything that we would search for into space? That combined with the tiny bit of universe that we have even attempted of exploring "in detail" so far further decreases the chances of finding anything.

When I said radio waves, I meant any kind of wave that can propagate long distances....  No matter how advanced your civilization is, you still need to use a wave that vibrates at a certain frequency.  We can detect that.

I don't know how a civilization could advance technologically without discovering waves... it is the basic means of long distance communication (except for quantum teleportation, which by theory is limited in the amount of information you can send instantly).

I agree with you that we have listened to only a small part of our galaxy.  But I believe if life formed here, it formed in a trillion other places around the universe.  Chances are one of those civilizations is within one hundred light years from us, so we could detect something in the small amount of time we have been listening.

That being said, if a civilization was even 200 years ahead of us, they would have moved past waves for communication (like we do now with fibre) and would be silent and invisible to us.   Chances are, if at least one civilization like this exists, they are a lot more than 200 years ahead of us. 

We could have intelligent neighbours less than a dozen years away, who communicate in the way our internet does - point to point.

[BTCMILLIONAIRE]

I would also be cautious about assuming that radio waves would be used by such an advanced civilization. They could very well be using different frequencies. But that's overall an interesting point that I haven't really thought of yet.

What if we haven't found any other civilizations because they don't broadcast anything that we would search for into space? That combined with the tiny bit of universe that we have even attempted of exploring "in detail" so far further decreases the chances of finding anything.

When I said radio waves, I meant any kind of wave that can propagate long distances....  No matter how advanced your civilization is, you still need to use a wave that vibrates at a certain frequency.  We can detect that.

I don't know how a civilization could advance technologically without discovering waves... it is the basic means of long distance communication (except for quantum teleportation, which by theory is limited in the amount of information you can send instantly).

I agree with you that we have listened to only a small part of our galaxy.  But I believe if life formed here, it formed in a trillion other places around the universe.  Chances are one of those civilizations is within one hundred light years from us, so we could detect something in the small amount of time we have been listening.

That being said, if a civilization was even 200 years ahead of us, they would have moved past waves for communication (like we do now with fibre) and would be silent and invisible to us.   Chances are, if at least one civilization like this exists, they are a lot more than 200 years ahead of us. 

We could have intelligent neighbours less than a dozen years away, who communicate in the way our internet does - point to point.

I'm not sure to what extent the frequency matters while "scanning" the universe though. If a civilization used a frequency that we dismiss as inconspicuous they could've slipped our attention while in plain sight.

And I agree with the notion that life is all around the universe. I am ~99% leaning towards believing that the universe is infinite in size and that there's any number of life out there. But in such a universe there's also going to be any number of civilizations that have yet to find any life other than them, as well as any number of civilizations that will either never find any life or simply be convinced that none exists.

Weren't we deliberately sending out signals to try and contact or attract the attention of aliens by the way? Although even in that case, I don't think it would be possible for us to cover the whole globe and to send a signal into all directions simultaneously, which has a compounding effect by distance travelled of the signal. The more I think about this the more absurd the idea of finding any civilization becomes. There seem to be a ton of factors that could make finding life extremely difficult even "close by".

[notbatman]

Elon Musk is a liar and a fraud, SpaceX is a hoax.

[BTCMILLIONAIRE]

Elon Musk is a liar and a fraud, SpaceX is a hoax.

And earth is flat and space doesn't exist.

[Vod]

Elon Musk is a liar and a fraud, SpaceX is a hoax.

Once you understand why you lie, you'll understand gravity. 

[notbatman]

^^^ Cupping Musk's balls are we?


I have no problem outing gravity as the bullshit theory that it is BTW.

[Vod]

I have no problem outing gravity as the bullshit theory that it is BTW.

I am reading a book about anti-gravity right now.   I can't put it down!   

I wondered why the baseball was getting bigger.... then it hit me!

You believe in gravity, liar.   It keeps your fat ass in a proportional position for your fingers to touch the keyboard. 

[Dharmah]

Oh my god, what a landing. They programmed all that so nicely. The future is here .
Thanks for sharing.

[Vod]

Oh my god, what a landing. They programmed all that so nicely. The future is here .
Thanks for sharing.

Not all.  One of the rockets (a NEW one!) did not return to the landing pad. 

[spacedis]

I like the way this is put by Neil deGrasse Tyson.

It really explains how tough it would be for us to find intelligent life in the universe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sDtbTsmJcE

[Vod]

I like the way this is put by Neil deGrasse Tyson.

It really explains how tough it would be for us to find intelligent life in the universe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sDtbTsmJcE

Excellent video.  Thank you!

Now I have to watch his 11:00 video on UFOs. 

[Pipin Mali]

Why is everybody talking about Elon Musk, like he built his rocket alone by himself. He sure is a great guy, but SpaceX is company with over 60 000 people.

[Vod]

Why is everybody talking about Elon Musk, like he built his rocket alone by himself. He sure is a great guy, but SpaceX is company with over 60 000 people.

The same reason people talk about Bill Gates instead of Microsoft.

It takes a leader to make anything happen.

[spacedis]

Why is everybody talking about Elon Musk, like he built his rocket alone by himself. He sure is a great guy, but SpaceX is company with over 60 000 people.

The same reason people talk about Bill Gates instead of Microsoft.

It takes a leader to make anything happen.

Case and point.

You need the Vision to get the company where it needs to go.

[spacedis]

I like the way this is put by Neil deGrasse Tyson.

It really explains how tough it would be for us to find intelligent life in the universe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sDtbTsmJcE

Excellent video.  Thank you!

Now I have to watch his 11:00 video on UFOs. 

Yeah, that is an awesome video.

But, it definitely puts stuff into perspective.

[shawncole]

Oh my god, what a landing. They programmed all that so nicely. The future is here .
Thanks for sharing.

Not all.  One of the rockets (a NEW one!) did not return to the landing pad. 

It's a great technology that rockets are reusable with SpaceX.

[youstock]

One thing it proved to the naysayers that the earth is indeed round, and not flat...

If there was anyone who legitimately believed the earth was flat, this wouldn't change their mind 

[youstock]

I love this man. Can't wait to retire on Mars in a few decades. Hope the internet will be figured out to keep a realtime supply of earth memes.

Yes, we just need to figure out instantaneous communication like in Speaker for the Dead.

[amishmanish]

By that logic, the galaxy should be partly colonized already by civilizations that have been around longer than we have.  We're orbiting a second generation star, so every being that evolved under the first generation stars should be billions of years ahead of us in technology, right?

That would require a civilization to actually have existed for a long enough time to be millions/billions of years ahead of us without having gone extinct. They would also have to exist in sufficient proximity of us.

Who knows how many galaxies (if any) are already partially or even fully colonized, but simply beyond our reach? We can only see as far as the light allows us to. And if the actual, rather than just the observable, universe is actually expanding faster than light that would make it virtually impossible to even attempt reaching some places. Given the potentially infinite size of the universe it seems potentially infinitely improbable for such a civilization not to exist in some place. But we know for fact that we haven't really seen shit yet. Maybe we got lucky and we're the first to get a shot, or maybe we're unlucky and just happened to be dropped in a place with nobody else close by.

The upper speed of light and hence travel for all matter in the forms currently accessible to us means we simply cannot travel to or even observe the expanses of universe. Like Vod said, its sobering and completely disappointing to realize that. But we don't want that right.

We want a scenario where these travels and observations are possible. That leaves one possibility. We as a civilization will need to to exist in a different form. A form where the laws of this "present matter" world don't apply. It becomes almost metaphysical and goes into the realm of spirituality but the more i think of it, the more i am convinced that there needs to be higher "planes of existence" where these physical laws that limit us to "speed of light" won't apply.

Like Dr. Manhattan from the Watchmen..

Given that there is a possibility to move to such a plane of existence, any civilization would probably need to exist for millions of years before thats possible. Its clear that we cannot exist on planet earth for millions of years. But maybe if we branch out and terraform enough planetary bodies, we can hope to survive long enough and become the super sentient beings that would be capable of Inter-galactic travel. So Elon is the first pioneer of this endeavour and Mars would be our first stop on this long road.

This all sounds completely mad but I don't see any other way that its possible..

Ohh and I am glad that a topic i started finally got some traction. Thanks to you Vod and BTCMillionaire..👍..I am writing this on a phone. Hope the formatting doesn't come out all trashy.

[zoran.drobnjak]

That would require a civilization to actually have existed for a long enough time to be millions/billions of years ahead of us without having gone extinct. They would also have to exist in sufficient proximity of us...The upper speed of light and hence travel for all matter in the forms currently accessible to us means we simply cannot travel to or even observe the expanses of universe...physical laws that limit us to "speed of light" won't apply...
Given that there is a possibility to move to such a plane of existence, any civilization would probably need to exist for millions of years before thats possible...
[/quote]

To say that our current knowledge of conveniently termed "Laws of Physics" is incomplete would be an understatement by large.
Creation of miniature wormholes is currently an impasse but may not be so in near to mid term future - human colony on Mars would need to communicate with Earth in real-time and if microscopic wormholes connect communication centers on both end we would already have faster-than-light (FTL) communication.

Ambition to populate nearby planets is a precursor to acquiring FTL communication capability and Elon Musk is a man symbolizing that whole idea.
Imagine if there is a sort of galactic inter-planetary Internet and we just need to tune in by becoming FTL capable species.
On the other hand all that we call "matter" can be reduced to information, and if you can stream that information it may be recomposed as "matter" on the other end.

Doors of Knowledge are wide open, we just need to be ambitious and brave enough to step through and further promote our own brand "Made in Earth by Humans".

[amishmanish]

That being said, if a civilization was even 200 years ahead of us, they would have moved past waves for communication (like we do now with fibre) and would be silent and invisible to us.   Chances are, if at least one civilization like this exists, they are a lot more than 200 years ahead of us. 

We could have intelligent neighbours less than a dozen years away, who communicate in the way our internet does - point to point.

If indeed such a civilization exists within say 30 Light years, they would be looking out for anomalies. Anomalies like a strange non-planetary object circling around the major Solar systems. Like The Starman. We could be in for a major surprise soon enough if they notice the Tesla.

But if there was such a civilization, wouldn't they have contacted us by now? Its just that the time-frame to develop such a technology should be small enough for those beings to remember their history. They surely must be aware of the archaic forms of communication (waves in this case) to be able to talk to the lesser civilizations like ours.
The fact that we haven't heard from anybody despite around 30 years of SETI means they are nowhere within those 30 Light years. Even if they are, they aren't very ahead of us in technology.

[notbatman]

Galaxies, solar systems, faster than light travel, other civilizations? You guys are swimming in shit, it's up to your eyeballs!



Research Flat Earth

[amishmanish]

To say that our current knowledge of conveniently termed "Laws of Physics" is incomplete would be an understatement by large.

Umm. It won't be an understatement if the known laws are the only ones we can observe and experience in the present form. For example, Does a duck know that there's a Newton's law. Surely it applies to her but she has no knowledge of it nor the capability to use it to her advantage.

We go inside matter and we get lost in more particles and more fields. We look upto the sky and there is no limit as to what can be observed and yet, we don't know what to make of that knowledge. What I mean is that we are essentially ducks as of now. We would really need to evolve ourselves to be able to observe or understand the higher phenomena.

Imagine if there is a sort of galactic inter-planetary Internet and we just need to tune in by becoming FTL capable species.
On the other hand all that we call "matter" can be reduced to information, and if you can stream that information it may be recomposed as "matter" on the other end.

Right. We would need to evolve as a species. FTL communication and matter getting transported as information is a possibility.

Doors of Knowledge are wide open, we just need to be ambitious and brave enough to step through and further promote our own brand "Made in Earth by Humans".

That PCB chip was fucking cool man..!

[amishmanish]

Galaxies, solar systems, faster than light travel, other civilizations? You guys are swimming in shit, it's up to your eyeballs!



Research Flat Earth

Fine! I'll research. But its not interesting enough,

I first want to hear the conspiracy theory give me some background as to why scientists and textbooks everywhere would like us to believe that the earth is round and not flat??

[BTCMILLIONAIRE]

Galaxies, solar systems, faster than light travel, other civilizations? You guys are swimming in shit, it's up to your eyeballs!



Research Flat Earth

I tried, was full of shit and fallacies. Have seen worse sources of entertainment though.

[BTCMILLIONAIRE]

By that logic, the galaxy should be partly colonized already by civilizations that have been around longer than we have.  We're orbiting a second generation star, so every being that evolved under the first generation stars should be billions of years ahead of us in technology, right?

That would require a civilization to actually have existed for a long enough time to be millions/billions of years ahead of us without having gone extinct. They would also have to exist in sufficient proximity of us.

Who knows how many galaxies (if any) are already partially or even fully colonized, but simply beyond our reach? We can only see as far as the light allows us to. And if the actual, rather than just the observable, universe is actually expanding faster than light that would make it virtually impossible to even attempt reaching some places. Given the potentially infinite size of the universe it seems potentially infinitely improbable for such a civilization not to exist in some place. But we know for fact that we haven't really seen shit yet. Maybe we got lucky and we're the first to get a shot, or maybe we're unlucky and just happened to be dropped in a place with nobody else close by.

The upper speed of light and hence travel for all matter in the forms currently accessible to us means we simply cannot travel to or even observe the expanses of universe. Like Vod said, its sobering and completely disappointing to realize that. But we don't want that right.

We want a scenario where these travels and observations are possible. That leaves one possibility. We as a civilization will need to to exist in a different form. A form where the laws of this "present matter" world don't apply. It becomes almost metaphysical and goes into the realm of spirituality but the more i think of it, the more i am convinced that there needs to be higher "planes of existence" where these physical laws that limit us to "speed of light" won't apply.

Like Dr. Manhattan from the Watchmen..

Given that there is a possibility to move to such a plane of existence, any civilization would probably need to exist for millions of years before thats possible. Its clear that we cannot exist on planet earth for millions of years. But maybe if we branch out and terraform enough planetary bodies, we can hope to survive long enough and become the super sentient beings that would be capable of Inter-galactic travel. So Elon is the first pioneer of this endeavour and Mars would be our first stop on this long road.

This all sounds completely mad but I don't see any other way that its possible..

Ohh and I am glad that a topic i started finally got some traction. Thanks to you Vod and BTCMillionaire..👍..I am writing this on a phone. Hope the formatting doesn't come out all trashy.

I'm not sure if we need to go as far as trying to drop into some metaphysical realm (which I don't even really know what it's supposed to encompass). Physics keeps expanding, and if FTL was found to be possible I can almost blindly guarantee you that physicists will just put that into the scope of physics. After all, there's some bodies, or even just information, that is traveling with some assignable speeds, which is basically mechanical in nature.

But naming conventions aside, I don't think that there are any rules that are set in stone for all times. And so far all the evidence points towards that notion as well. So for me there's no reason to assume that FTL won't be possible in the future and it seems more of a question of when. Musk does indeed seem to be one of the first few steps towards that kind of research.

[BTCMILLIONAIRE]

To say that our current knowledge of conveniently termed "Laws of Physics" is incomplete would be an understatement by large.
Creation of miniature wormholes is currently an impasse but may not be so in near to mid term future - human colony on Mars would need to communicate with Earth in real-time and if microscopic wormholes connect communication centers on both end we would already have faster-than-light (FTL) communication.

Ambition to populate nearby planets is a precursor to acquiring FTL communication capability and Elon Musk is a man symbolizing that whole idea.
Imagine if there is a sort of galactic inter-planetary Internet and we just need to tune in by becoming FTL capable species.
On the other hand all that we call "matter" can be reduced to information, and if you can stream that information it may be recomposed as "matter" on the other end.

Doors of Knowledge are wide open, we just need to be ambitious and brave enough to step through and further promote our own brand "Made in Earth by Humans".

People tend to get extremely offended if you speak out against their holy religion that is science. So I try to be careful with my wording. But yeah, it's safe to say that we know absolutely fuck all about the universe.

[Intellectual Romanticist]

SpaceX successfully completed its test launch of the Falcon Heavy rocket. In typical Elon fashion, The simulated payload consisted on Elon Musk's own cherry red Tesla roadster with a dummy passenger (named Starman and wearing Tesla's spacesuit).
You gotta fucking love Elon.

The third booster hasn't been accounted for but they re-landed two of the boosters successfully. Its bloody epic to watch the live feed.

Guardian coverage: https://www.theguardian.com/science/live/2018/feb/06/spacex-falcon-heavy-launch-elon-musk-live-updates
Youtube link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbSwFU6tY1c

Every Man, Woman and Child everywhere should watch this...

What is the difference between this SpaceX launch and what NASA has been doing over the last few decades?
Sorry, I;m just lazy to watch the video nor read the TheGuardian article.

[BTCMILLIONAIRE]

SpaceX successfully completed its test launch of the Falcon Heavy rocket. In typical Elon fashion, The simulated payload consisted on Elon Musk's own cherry red Tesla roadster with a dummy passenger (named Starman and wearing Tesla's spacesuit).
You gotta fucking love Elon.

The third booster hasn't been accounted for but they re-landed two of the boosters successfully. Its bloody epic to watch the live feed.

Guardian coverage: https://www.theguardian.com/science/live/2018/feb/06/spacex-falcon-heavy-launch-elon-musk-live-updates
Youtube link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbSwFU6tY1c

Every Man, Woman and Child everywhere should watch this...

What is the difference between this SpaceX launch and what NASA has been doing over the last few decades?
Sorry, I;m just lazy to watch the video nor read the TheGuardian article.

Falcon Heavy can carry roughly three times the payload of the Space Shuttle and is thus the largest spacecraft in the history of mankind by a large margin. SpaceX is also a private company, while NASA is government funded.

[amishmanish]

SpaceX successfully completed its test launch of the Falcon Heavy rocket. In typical Elon fashion, The simulated payload consisted on Elon Musk's own cherry red Tesla roadster with a dummy passenger (named Starman and wearing Tesla's spacesuit).
You gotta fucking love Elon.

The third booster hasn't been accounted for but they re-landed two of the boosters successfully. Its bloody epic to watch the live feed.

Guardian coverage: https://www.theguardian.com/science/live/2018/feb/06/spacex-falcon-heavy-launch-elon-musk-live-updates
Youtube link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbSwFU6tY1c

Every Man, Woman and Child everywhere should watch this...

What is the difference between this SpaceX launch and what NASA has been doing over the last few decades?
Sorry, I;m just lazy to watch the video nor read the TheGuardian article.

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE???
Seriously, Asking this question after all these years, After Elon Musk was ditched by his NASA heroes is unacceptable. It is akin to treason in the eyes of us SpaceX and Musk zealots.

You have lost credibility today..LOL.