bustabit – The original crash game

[leomedina]

A few questions.

1. House edge will remain the same at 1%?

2. Is there any plans in the future to change any betting functionality such as max profit or max bet?

3. Will there be any plans in the future for KYC nonsense?

4. You mentioned the addition of a third party auditor, is that not redundant if the player can follow the hash chain and see crash results locally for themselves? What is the purpose of that addition?

I believe only question 3 hasn't been answered yet. We'll request KYC information only in cases where we suspect a player may be underage, from forbidden jurisdictions, or if mandated by law enforcement.

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[Babquestion]

A few questions.

1. House edge will remain the same at 1%?

2. Is there any plans in the future to change any betting functionality such as max profit or max bet?

3. Will there be any plans in the future for KYC nonsense?

4. You mentioned the addition of a third party auditor, is that not redundant if the player can follow the hash chain and see crash results locally for themselves? What is the purpose of that addition?

I believe only question 3 hasn't been answered yet. We'll request KYC information only in cases where we suspect a player may be underage, from forbidden jurisdictions, or if mandated by law enforcement.

So you are merely taking the burden off Daniel and dont plan to change anything significantly, and in the longterm, correct?

[hopenotlate]

Congrats Leo for the purchases and the smooth transition between seller and buyer : now that everything is done have you considered starting a new Bustabit ( and Bustadice) thread by closing this one and put a link to the new thread in last post  or do you prefer leaving things as they are here on bitcointalk?

[Babquestion]

Congrats Leo for the purchases and the smooth transition between seller and buyer : now that everything is done have you considered starting a new Bustabit ( and Bustadice) thread by closing this one and put a link to the new thread in last post  or do you prefer leaving things as they are here on bitcointalk?

If there is going to be no significant changes they should just keep this thread, as it will basically be the same exact game and experience.

[TheUltraElite]

If there is going to be no significant changes they should just keep this thread, as it will basically be the same exact game and experience.

Thread can be left as it is because a lot of old users have posted in this thread previously giving a lot of mathematical insights into the investment scheme on bustabit. This is one gem of a thread that most gamblers here hardly would understand.

I hope Leo brings in some new colour choices for the site, I liked the one on Moneypot and it would be nice to toggle between the two palettes.

Maybe a new signature campaign and more promotional stuff happening? Fingers crossed.

[leomedina]

So you are merely taking the burden off Daniel and dont plan to change anything significantly, and in the longterm, correct?

The game is staying more or less the same for now, but my team and I are already working on some improvements.

Congrats Leo for the purchases and the smooth transition between seller and buyer : now that everything is done have you considered starting a new Bustabit ( and Bustadice) thread by closing this one and put a link to the new thread in last post  or do you prefer leaving things as they are here on bitcointalk?

Thank you! We actually discussed this with Daniel, and we think it might be better to create new threads. That way I can edit the original announcement, if needed.

[pascal257]

Hey leo,

I use dicesites.com a lot to gather stats on wager etc. Since the owner-change it is no longer able to crawl bustabit and bustadice. Would it be possible that the DDoS protection changed and that it is filtering the connections? I've tried curling the site and got an error.
Maybe daniel knows IPs that should be whitelisted?

Thanks and best regards.

[leomedina]

Hey leo,

I use dicesites.com a lot to gather stats on wager etc. Since the owner-change it is no longer able to crawl bustabit and bustadice. Would it be possible that the DDoS protection changed and that it is filtering the connections? I've tried curling the site and got an error.
Maybe daniel knows IPs that should be whitelisted?

Thanks and best regards.

I'm aware of the issue and everything looks good on my side (endpoint working and dicesites' IP white-listed). I tried contacting NLNico but it appears like he hasn't been online in a while. I'll make sure I let you know when we get it working again.

Update: it seems like the issue was actually on my end, sorry. But it should start working now 

[maalox]

The hashes won't verify on bustabit fiddle,it's only me?
 Someone could check,pls?

Gives me different numbers to me
https://jsfiddle.net/Dexon95/2fmuxLza/show

something don't add up

tryed this from chat but not working

https://stackblitz.com/edit/bustabit-verifier?embed=1&view=preview

 RESULT_CODE_KILLED_BAD_MESSAGE that's the error after loading container.

[shield132]

Congrats Leo, I hope bustabit will be an even better place with you. Do you plan to do anything with website's interface? UI/UX design? I know some people who got so captivated with bustabit that they copied bustabit game and named it Aviator, selling it to many casinos right now. Just keep in mind, improve Bustabit to not get dived.

I believe only question 3 hasn't been answered yet. We'll request KYC information only in cases where we suspect a player may be underage, from forbidden jurisdictions, or if mandated by law enforcement.

As far as I know, you are an unlicensed right now. Do you plan to acquire a Curacao or Costa Rica license? Will we be allowed to gamble via VPN? Also, I can't find the information about whether multiple accounts are allowed.

[leomedina]

The hashes won't verify on bustabit fiddle,it's only me?
 Someone could check,pls?

Gives me different numbers to me
https://jsfiddle.net/Dexon95/2fmuxLza/show

something don't add up

The previous verification tool (https://jsfiddle.net/Dexon95/2fmuxLza/show) can only verify games from the previous hash chain, specifically game 10M and below. The new tool (https://stackblitz.com/edit/bustabit-verifier) verifies games from both chains.

tryed this from chat but not working

https://stackblitz.com/edit/bustabit-verifier?embed=1&view=preview

 RESULT_CODE_KILLED_BAD_MESSAGE that's the error after loading container.

What browser are you using? Unfortunately, StackBlitz only provides full support for recent desktop browsers and partial support for mobile browsers. You can find more details here: https://developer.stackblitz.com/platform/webcontainers/browser-support. That said, we plan on creating a self-hosted version that will be accessible to everyone.

Congrats Leo, I hope bustabit will be an even better place with you. Do you plan to do anything with website's interface? UI/UX design? I know some people who got so captivated with bustabit that they copied bustabit game and named it Aviator, selling it to many casinos right now. Just keep in mind, improve Bustabit to not get dived.

I believe only question 3 hasn't been answered yet. We'll request KYC information only in cases where we suspect a player may be underage, from forbidden jurisdictions, or if mandated by law enforcement.

As far as I know, you are an unlicensed right now. Do you plan to acquire a Curacao or Costa Rica license? Will we be allowed to gamble via VPN? Also, I can't find the information about whether multiple accounts are allowed.

Thank you. My team is already working on a new UI/UX prototype.

Bustabit has been operated from Costa Rica for a while now, and there are no plans to change that. I'm also maintaining the current policies regarding VPNs and multiple accounts - both are allowed. However, chatting from multiple accounts simultaneously is not allowed, and this has always been always the case.

[maalox]

Ok i find this link to be functional:

https://stackblitz.com/edit/bustabit-verifier?file=package.json

Good luck with your enterprise.

[protonmaster]

Hey, can you please provide offline verifier as it was before, so we can play with numbers they way we want, previously I could run it and generate all numbers myself, and write own code to test some strategies as backtesting tools are very limited.

Also it has no sense why you added this 3rd party website, if verifier can't work offline, this is somehow suspicious.

A big question, what is a team behind actuallyfair, it looks like it created for bustabit. Domain was created a bit time, ago. previous domain and github also like 7 months ago. They dont disclose who is the owner, or a company behind it. Can you share any information? I assume you should have a legal contracts with them.

Thanks.

[leomedina]

Hey, can you please provide offline verifier as it was before, so we can play with numbers they way we want, previously I could run it and generate all numbers myself, and write own code to test some strategies as backtesting tools are very limited.

Also it has no sense why you added this 3rd party website, if verifier can't work offline, this is somehow suspicious.

A big question, what is a team behind actuallyfair, it looks like it created for bustabit. Domain was created a bit time, ago. previous domain and github also like 7 months ago. They dont disclose who is the owner, or a company behind it. Can you share any information? I assume you should have a legal contracts with them.

Thanks.

It's no longer possible to generate game results using only the hashes and game salt, because for every game the casino has to communicate with Vx. However, if your goal is to test your strategies, you can continue generating multipliers offline as you did before, as the probability distribution would be the same either way.

Having a third-party auditor has a few advantages:
1. It protects the casino against some exploit vectors (e.g. a compromised server secret or game hash)
2. The third-party verifies all games on the players' behalf (but they can also do it)
3. A multi-party provably fair system gives investors some extra guarantees (e.g. the operator pretending to be a lucky player)

And since the system is designed to preserve all provably fair guarantees, there's no need to wonder whether the auditor and the casino are conspiring. It's simply not possible due to the game salt (because players know it was fairly picked, and that it's part of the game result generation).

Hussein is behind Actually Fair, but if you want to be sure the game is fair, you will need to verify the provably fair scheme. That's a much better option than trusting them because they have a contract with bustabit. You can find more info here.

[slydexic]

According to bustabit.com/license.txt there a total of 32 websites that are licensed to run Bustabit's software.

The problem, is that bustabit never actually provided a license. "Umm... Text file" doesn't cut it for real world situations like a serious buyer wanting to check in to things before making a purchase (Looking at the business revenue, number of users, gambling license, SOFTWARE LICENSE).

I have thought deeply about how to remedy this situation this last week.

I hereby call out Bustabit with this question publicly - For the integrity of Bustabit's name, and quite frankly, so people don't get scammed (Because the only buyers that readily accept "Umm... Text File" for a license seem to be ones that would use the purchase to scam others...) can a bustabit licensed website be surrendered (Domain control given to Bustabit & Domain delisted from the "license text file) to Bustabit for a refund of the original license cost (2 BTC) ? And if Bustabit isn't willing to provide a full refund for a product that was sold and never provided - is Bustabit willing to provide a partial refund and finally if so, what would the amount be that they would in fact provide for this situation ? 

[leomedina]

According to bustabit.com/license.txt there a total of 32 websites that are licensed to run Bustabit's software.

The problem, is that bustabit never actually provided a license. "Umm... Text file" doesn't cut it for real world situations like a serious buyer wanting to check in to things before making a purchase (Looking at the business revenue, number of users, gambling license, SOFTWARE LICENSE).

It is my understanding that AGPLv3 itself is the license, and a written acknowledgment of sites that have purchased a copy of the software (e.g. https://bustabit.com/license.txt) is enough to show who is exempt from the requirements of the license. If what you wanted was a license certificate or document, I'm afraid that's something you should have asked at the time of purchase. But anyway, as long as you comply with the terms of the license, like making your code open source, you are free to do all the things you mentioned. You only need to purchase a commercial license if you don't want to share your code.

I have thought deeply about how to remedy this situation this last week.

I hereby call out Bustabit with this question publicly - For the integrity of Bustabit's name, and quite frankly, so people don't get scammed (Because the only buyers that readily accept "Umm... Text File" for a license seem to be ones that would use the purchase to scam others...) can a bustabit licensed website be surrendered (Domain control given to Bustabit & Domain delisted from the "license text file) to Bustabit for a refund of the original license cost (2 BTC) ? And if Bustabit isn't willing to provide a full refund for a product that was sold and never provided - is Bustabit willing to provide a partial refund and finally if so, what would the amount be that they would in fact provide for this situation ? 

I would argue that it's quite the opposite, and sites serious enough to invest in a license are less likely to scam their players. But no, I won't be issuing refunds for the same reasons I mentioned above.

[Kakmakr]

I just want to say thank you for the email reminder about my "idle" account. I signed up years ago and I played for months on this site and then I started playing on other new sites and totally forgot about the money that was deposited here.

I got the email... I logged into the site and saw there was still funds and it has grown significantly in value. I then played a few rounds again and won something and was able to withdraw a nice amount to help to repair my car that was damaged in a accident. 

[UserU]

I just want to say thank you for the email reminder about my "idle" account. I signed up years ago and I played for months on this site and then I started playing on other new sites and totally forgot about the money that was deposited here.

I got the email... I logged into the site and saw there was still funds and it has grown significantly in value. I then played a few rounds again and won something and was able to withdraw a nice amount to help to repair my car that was damaged in a accident.  

Nice, I can imagine cashing out on crash with that amount of money has to be butt-clenching

How much BTC was there when you checked?

[Mahdirakib]

I got the email... I logged into the site and saw there was still funds and it has grown significantly in value. I then played a few rounds again and won something and was able to withdraw a nice amount to help to repair my car that was damaged in a accident. 

Sounds like you had a good amount of BTC sitting in your Bustabit account as you were able to repair your damaged car with that. Since how long you hadn't logged into your Bustabit account? And what was written in the reminder email message? Bustabit has dormant account rules. According to that rule, they reserve the right to forfeit the account balance and delete the account of a user who is inactive for two years.

[TheUltraElite]

I got the email... I logged into the site and saw there was still funds and it has grown significantly in value. I then played a few rounds again and won something and was able to withdraw a nice amount to help to repair my car that was damaged in a accident. 

You mean you had invested some money on BAB and the amount it had grown to was significant enough to pay for your car repair.

That is nice to know because you rarely find anyone who won from gambling and used the money for some fruitful work. I guess self-control over how much you are willing to play with and getting out while in the green zone makes a difference.

Could you give us an idea about how long the money was invested and what was the approx percentage of change over those years?