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Author Topic: 🔥🔥🔥Blazepool on FIRE🔥180+ coins🔥well established🔥multi-algo switching pool  (Read 20735 times)
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February 10, 2018, 09:12:50 PM
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I am currently running one of my small  rigs on the pool... and when you take your 1K worth of rigs off line the profits tank - about 25% less than Ahash. Will you be doing more 'maintenance' in the near future... or are they now online for good? I ask because either you were doing maint on 1K worth of GPUs or you are faking your stats - badly. Willing to stick around and see which way it IS, but only if you guys guarantee to keep the pool at BARE MINIMUM miner levels needed to win blocks.
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February 10, 2018, 10:31:14 PM
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@gak_45  Thanks for sticking around to see this pool grow.  In fact, we've had a little better luck overall these couple of days compared to the first day we launched.   Grin
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February 11, 2018, 12:14:05 PM
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Pool again down ...
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February 11, 2018, 12:55:18 PM
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Pool again down ...

seems like it's up for me
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February 11, 2018, 01:15:14 PM
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It's great to let everyone know that Blazepool is running at 100% uptime since launch and we do everything to stay as close to that as possible.   Grin
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February 11, 2018, 10:34:25 PM
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Is the pool PPLNS, PPLNS+, or pay per valid share? Hope it is the latter as PPLNS is IMHO a scam to rob hashs by pool owners.
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February 11, 2018, 10:52:21 PM
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@gak_45 It seems like you might have some misunderstanding of how a pool works and how different kind of share counting system works.  We're happy to provide some reference materials for you.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=39832
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Comparison_of_mining_pools
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February 11, 2018, 11:34:02 PM
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@gak_45 It seems like you might have some misunderstanding of how a pool works and how different kind of share counting system works.  We're happy to provide some reference materials for you.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=39832
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Comparison_of_mining_pools

So what is the payout system used at blazepool?
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February 11, 2018, 11:43:32 PM
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@puch0021 Right! It's PPLNS like many AutoExchange pools.  Cheers!   Grin
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February 11, 2018, 11:58:51 PM
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@puch0021 Right! It's PPLNS like many AutoExchange pools.  Cheers!   Grin

Uh-huh, so what happens if the time to find each block varies wildly and routinely exceeds several hours? Doesn't that result in the oldest shares submitted by the miners getting tossed out as worthless?

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February 12, 2018, 12:28:59 AM
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@MagicSmoker  Your description fits a wrong implementation of PPLNS, but not PPLNS itself.

Just quoting from the earlier reference: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=39832
"Another incorrect implementation is to pay all shares in a window given in units of time (sometimes called PPLNM or PPLNH)"
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February 12, 2018, 01:11:04 AM
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@MagicSmoker  Your description fits a wrong implementation of PPLNS, but not PPLNS itself.

Just quoting from the earlier reference: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=39832
"Another incorrect implementation is to pay all shares in a window given in units of time (sometimes called PPLNM or PPLNH)"

Not quite... If pool hashrate is fairly constant but pool luck is not - ie, the time to find each block varies quite a bit - then any given miner will submit way more than n shares for a block that took much longer than average to find; ergo, the oldest shares end up get tossed out because they were outside of the n-wide window.

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February 12, 2018, 01:20:13 AM
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@MagicSmoker You're absolutely right!  For "any given miner" should include all of our loyal fans as well!  Because no users would want to have some other users leave the pool prematurely and still rip the benefit of their hashrates.   Cheesy  And yes there are a little bit of fluctuations based on "some" luck too, but in the medium term everything evens out.
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February 12, 2018, 02:52:06 AM
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Yeah. In other words on a pool that may or may not only have 300 workers it means that with auto-switching the pool is making extra hashing power by throwing out the oldest shares.

Think I will pull my workers after a payout and wait for you guys to actually have a couple K of miners.... as I think you are faking the stats. Your api shows a couple hundred workers but your front end shows 1.3K.
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February 12, 2018, 02:59:55 AM
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Blazepool, could you please tell me what does Immature mean?

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February 12, 2018, 03:02:10 AM
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Just wanted to add, I've been mining on this pool for 3 days now. I like it.  It is stable and the payout is smooth, on time every 24 hours, and no issues.   Web wallet page does not go down like other pools, so that's important.

Will post some profitability comparisons after i setup identical rigs for the test.
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February 12, 2018, 03:16:22 AM
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@tio Immature is when a block hash with high enough difficulty is found by the pool, accepted by the nodes and now waiting for confirmation.  Confirmation count depends on the specific coin's setup.
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February 12, 2018, 03:33:03 AM
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@MagicSmoker  Your description fits a wrong implementation of PPLNS, but not PPLNS itself.

Just quoting from the earlier reference: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=39832
"Another incorrect implementation is to pay all shares in a window given in units of time (sometimes called PPLNM or PPLNH)"

Not quite... If pool hashrate is fairly constant but pool luck is not - ie, the time to find each block varies quite a bit - then any given miner will submit way more than n shares for a block that took much longer than average to find; ergo, the oldest shares end up get tossed out because they were outside of the n-wide window.



I see, that explains my pathetic returns while hashing out on Neoscrypt. When there is too little pool wide hashrate in the algo, people who keep on that one algo suffer. I quit because of those returns, and looks like it was a good decision.

And I am not complaining about the first couple of days, there was plenty of hashrate and got paid fine.
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February 12, 2018, 03:39:41 AM
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@tio Immature is when a block hash with high enough difficulty is found by the pool, accepted by the nodes and now waiting for confirmation.  Confirmation count depends on the specific coin's setup.
Thanks a lot, now it make sense for me
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February 12, 2018, 12:15:58 PM
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Not quite... If pool hashrate is fairly constant but pool luck is not - ie, the time to find each block varies quite a bit - then any given miner will submit way more than n shares for a block that took much longer than average to find; ergo, the oldest shares end up get tossed out because they were outside of the n-wide window.


I see, that explains my pathetic returns while hashing out on Neoscrypt. When there is too little pool wide hashrate in the algo, people who keep on that one algo suffer. I quit because of those returns, and looks like it was a good decision.

And I am not complaining about the first couple of days, there was plenty of hashrate and got paid fine.

Maybe - the downsides to PPLNS are basically the result of trying to apply a mechanical rule - payout based on the last N-shares leading up to each block - on a statistical process - the time to find a block does vary in inverse proportion to pool/network hashrate, but it is not a linear function; that is, as pool/network hashrate declines the odds of finding a block decrease much more rapidly chaotically (but asymptotically - it never quite reaches zero for a non-zero hashrate).

What many miners understand is that if pool hashrate for an algo declines while network hashrate remains the same - e.g., most miners switched away from that algo on a specific pool - then pool luck tends to decline as well. Intuitively one may think that as pool hashrate declines it will take longer to find each block, sure, but each share will be proportionally more valuable - lower hashrate, right - so overall payout should remain the same. However, what really happens is that a lower pool hashrate not only increases the time to find each block on average, it also generally results in a wider variation in the time to find as well. THAT is what gets you with PPLNS: the number of shares considered valid for each block remains the same, but it is much less predictable when each block will come, and with PPLNS you only get paid for shares leading up to a block.

Pool operators like PPLNS because they don't have to pay for some of the shares submitted if the time to find the next new block suddenly jumps up as a result of an equally sudden drop in pool/algo hashrate. Miners also eventually learn to remain on the pool/algo until a new block is found to maximize their payout - hence why PPLNS is said to reduce pool hopping, because you can't be sure you'll receive anything if you drop in on a pool/algo for a few minutes or hours without a block being found in that time.

What people wrongly assume - and which few pool operators attempt to correct - is that miners will almost certainly be persistently underpaid if the time to find is "too long" at a given PPLNS pool (where "too long" is a nebulous, hard-to-pin-down number, unfortunately). This is one of the reasons why hashrate tends to concentrate at certain pools for certain coins/algos; it's a rather perverse example of the "network effect" showing up in something that is supposed to be decentralized/democratic by nature (ie - cryptocurrencies).

NB - I am fairly new to mining so my understanding of all this may be imperfect, incomplete or even incorrect. I welcome being corrected; I do not respond well to being called names.
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