Just-Dice.com game is rigged

[ijphlrnxewho]

A fan notified me recently that they've tested out the site Just-dice.com for hours and have concluded that the site is rigged.
It has a built in bot to prevent people from winning.

Gamblers beware of the site Just-dice.com you've been warned.

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[MRKLYE]

A fan notified me recently that they've tested out the site Just-dice.com for hours and have concluded that the site is rigged.
It has a built in bot to prevent people from winning.

Gamblers beware of the site Just-dice.com you've been warned.

As a just-dice.com user since day 3. I can say this is absolute bullshit.

Get over your loses Tom. Quit being a noob.

[Dabs]

Proof?

[farlack]

Yeah, you're retarded, I've been up $600 on JD with $50 starting, unfortunately I like to play big, so I lost it all, that was my fault not JD cheating. And I'm pretty sure JD paid out a ~$150,000 winner no questions asked..

[mc1225]

don't gamble anymore, losers will always be losers. 

[smitelrh]

play big is easy to loss all just because you will have not enought BTC go win back you loss.JD seems to find to me,if you can post a Proof to show JD is rigged,please show it .

[organofcorti]

A fan notified me recently that they've tested out the site Just-dice.com for hours and have concluded that the site is rigged.

There is no way this fan can know that from a few hours playing. The variance would kill any prospect of any kind of analysis. That said I'd like to know what analysis the fan attempted and why he or she thinks it's rigged. Perhaps you can relay the information, or get them to post it themselves. Otherwise, you're just posting fud.

[drawingthesun]

A fan notified me recently that they've tested out the site Just-dice.com for hours and have concluded that the site is rigged.
It has a built in bot to prevent people from winning.

Gamblers beware of the site Just-dice.com you've been warned.

Server seed generated and hashed, user has the hash.

User adds client seed after the fact, and nonce is 1,2,3......

The whole thing runs through HMAC.

So if you take the hash, add a client seed and roll, its impossible to rig.

This is why I sometimes hate the community here, people like you really try to ruin everything.

For anyone reading this, Actor_Tom_Truong is yet another lame technophobe idiot trying to further push this community into the gutter.

A "bot" can't do anything because your own rolls are predetermined, even though dooglus could look to see what outcome you may get, there is no way he can change that outcome.

[Dabs]

You could say it's rigged that way; the whole sequence up to infinity is predetermined the moment you randomize. But because it is rigged in this particular manner, it is therefore provably fair.

[thy]

A fan notified me recently that they've tested out the site Just-dice.com for hours and have concluded that the site is rigged.
It has a built in bot to prevent people from winning.

Gamblers beware of the site Just-dice.com you've been warned.

A test for a few hours dosent say much when you probably need millions of bets to spot anything out of the ordinary.

What is it you claim the bot is supposed to be doing then, would you care to explain ?

Player have performed better than avg sofar, around 0,6% lost compared to 1,0% expected so it sounds more like you mean preventing investors from earning than "..prevent people form winning", but that isen't correct either, investors have been earning almost what they should statistically do(after the episide with the big whale in the middle of july, that got away with a couple of thousend more than expected).

[dooglus]

A fan notified me recently that they've tested out the site Just-dice.com for hours and have concluded that the site is rigged.
It has a built in bot to prevent people from winning.

Gamblers beware of the site Just-dice.com you've been warned.

How about you get your "fan" to come and explain his findings?  Otherwise this is just baseless FUD.

The site is rigged; it is designed to keep an average of 1% of everything you bet.  We call it "the house edge", but there's no "bot" to enforce it, only the laws of mathematics.

[Zaih]

Lmao definitely a sore loser.

Go verify your bets. It's extremely easy.

[mc1225]

A fan notified me recently that they've tested out the site Just-dice.com for hours and have concluded that the site is rigged.
It has a built in bot to prevent people from winning.

Gamblers beware of the site Just-dice.com you've been warned.

How about you get your "fan" to come and explain his findings?  Otherwise this is just baseless FUD.

The site is rigged; it is designed to keep an average of 1% of everything you bet.  We call it "the house edge", but there's no "bot" to enforce it, only the laws of mathematics.

Agree no more its laws of mathematics.  That why I invest in your site.

[pheaonix]

then it would be wise to invest

[antiycda]

we need proof

[drawingthesun]

http://www.cuongvtruong.com/

[dooglus]

http://www.cuongvtruong.com/

Oh, Jesus!

[BRules]

http://www.cuongvtruong.com/

so this confirm my though reading the first post, another kid wanting desperately atention.

[aksplace]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ue1Hvtzl5vI

Today doubling up in apx 5 minutes of action

[Pale Phoenix]

Fact: If reincarnation is true then Actor Tom Truong is Jesus Christ.
Source: http://www.cuongvtruong.com/

Fact: Jesus baselessly attacks anything that tries to compete with Bingo.

[dooglus]

Fact: If reincarnation is true then Actor Tom Truong is Jesus Christ.
Source: http://www.cuongvtruong.com/

Fact: Jesus baselessly attacks anything that tries to compete with Bingo.

In the new new testament this will be the equivalent of the scene where Jesus I kicked money-changer ass in the temple:

Matthew 2, 21:12

Jesus logged on to the Just-Dice site and complained incoherently about built-in-bots to all who were betting and investing there. He overturned the tables of the investors and the benches of those selling karma.

[jeffhuys]

Hey guys! I lost 1000$ on just-dice and some guy said it was rigged so I want my money back now! Zomg!


/s

[ITsTanked]

A fan notified me recently that they've tested out the site Just-dice.com for hours and have concluded that the site is rigged.
It has a built in bot to prevent people from winning.

Gamblers beware of the site Just-dice.com you've been warned.

Translate:

I play 4 hours straight and lose.  I have good luck so I conclude it is rigged.  Must be bot.

[monbux]

A fan notified me recently that they've tested out the site Just-dice.com for hours and have concluded that the site is rigged.
It has a built in bot to prevent people from winning.

Gamblers beware of the site Just-dice.com you've been warned.

Both you and your accusation are bullshit.  Where's your proof? And I'm pretty sure "this fan" is you

[Menelik]

So he just drops a grenade and walks away? Fuck that guy. Nothing more needs to be said.

[Pale Phoenix]

So he just drops a grenade and walks away? Fuck that guy. Nothing more needs to be said.

Oh have no fear, something tells me that bastard will rise again.

[uoyeparannog]

I just tossed coin. I wanted heads, but it lt landed on tails.
Conclusion: coin haves built-in bot that makes winning impossible.

[vlees]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=285261.msg3049098#msg3049098

[uoyeparannog]

He still aren't funnier than Insanity but we have #2 here.

[ChrisP11]

A fan notified me recently that they've tested out the site Just-dice.com for hours and have concluded that the site is rigged.
It has a built in bot to prevent people from winning.

Gamblers beware of the site Just-dice.com you've been warned.

Server seed generated and hashed, user has the hash.

User adds client seed after the fact, and nonce is 1,2,3......

The whole thing runs through HMAC.

So if you take the hash, add a client seed and roll, its impossible to rig.

This is why I sometimes hate the community here, people like you really try to ruin everything.

For anyone reading this, Actor_Tom_Truong is yet another lame technophobe idiot trying to further push this community into the gutter.

A "bot" can't do anything because your own rolls are predetermined, even though dooglus could look to see what outcome you may get, there is no way he can change that outcome.

I assume that someone with access to the server has access to the server seed.

Are there any safeguards in place that prevent an administrator from creating an account, using the (now known) server seed, client seed, and nonce from predicting the results and therefore reliably producing winnings over time?  Sure, assuming they are an investor, they'd be stealing from themselves, if left pocket to right is stealing, but they'd truly be stealing from the other investors.

Apologies is this has been discussed before.

[drawingthesun]

A fan notified me recently that they've tested out the site Just-dice.com for hours and have concluded that the site is rigged.
It has a built in bot to prevent people from winning.

Gamblers beware of the site Just-dice.com you've been warned.

Server seed generated and hashed, user has the hash.

User adds client seed after the fact, and nonce is 1,2,3......

The whole thing runs through HMAC.

So if you take the hash, add a client seed and roll, its impossible to rig.

This is why I sometimes hate the community here, people like you really try to ruin everything.

For anyone reading this, Actor_Tom_Truong is yet another lame technophobe idiot trying to further push this community into the gutter.

A "bot" can't do anything because your own rolls are predetermined, even though dooglus could look to see what outcome you may get, there is no way he can change that outcome.

I assume that someone with access to the server has access to the server seed.

Are there any safeguards in place that prevent an administrator from creating an account, using the (now known) server seed, client seed, and nonce from predicting the results and therefore reliably producing winnings over time?  Sure, assuming they are an investor, they'd be stealing from themselves, if left pocket to right is stealing, but they'd truly be stealing from the other investors.

Apologies is this has been discussed before.

Your are right, the only risk is to investors not gamblers. Dooglus (admin/owner) can look at his rolls and make a new account and just win the investors money. We do put a lot of trust in Dooglus on the investor side of things. However the gambling side is trustless.

[Moogle]

Proof or it didn't happen ;-) hehe

[Dabs]

Are there any safeguards in place that prevent an administrator from creating an account, using the (now known) server seed, client seed, and nonce from predicting the results and therefore reliably producing winnings over time?  Sure, assuming they are an investor, they'd be stealing from themselves, if left pocket to right is stealing, but they'd truly be stealing from the other investors.

Apologies is this has been discussed before.

There are no "real" safeguards for this particular problem. The safeguard is that no one else has access to the internals of the site except the single, lone, administrator/owner/operator (and maybe amazon AWS, if they have a clue).

All bitcoin gambling sites have this same problem. All dice sites. All card game sites. All casinos. The solution is just another problem (and will reduce speed, and reduce profitability.)

[monbux]

http://www.cuongvtruong.com/

Holy。。。LOL

[dooglus]

All bitcoin gambling sites have this same problem. All dice sites. All card game sites. All casinos. The solution is just another problem (and will reduce speed, and reduce profitability.)

Not all.  If a casino is bankrolled by a single person, then this isn't an issue.

As soon as the owner gets help bankrolling the site, however, he is able to steal from his investor.

I had the idea for Just-Dice about a year before I started work on it, and put it off thinking "who would invest when they know I could cheat them".  I tried and tried to find a way to make investing provably fair, and eventually just gave up and did it anyway.

To my surprise nobody seemed to care that I could in theory cheat them.  And even now, when the profits are only 0.61% of the wagered amount when they should be 1%, people still trust me.  So that's nice.  Basically the site has earned a lot less than it 'should' have, and I could easily have stolen the difference.  I didn't, and people trust that I didn't.  Mostly.

Since 'celeste' took around 4k from the site, the profit has pretty closely followed expectation (the green line below is 3.9k below expectation; once you're 3.9k below expectation, the expectation is that you stay there...):



A couple of weeks ago I heard a rumour that some people unknown were planning to "out" me as being 'celeste', the whale who won on Just-Dice.  As far as I know, nothing ever came of that, so I don't know what that was all about.  Maybe they're saving it until their own dice site launches or some such.  So there's something to look forward to. 

[vlees]

Also how dooglus could rig the game (but it would be super easy to spot): adjust the max bet to a lower value as soon as a (according to the previous settings) win is coming up.

[dooglus]

Also how dooglus could rig the game (but it would be super easy to spot): adjust the max bet to a lower value as soon as a (according to the previous settings) win is coming up.

Yes, that was a concern that was raised before the site launched.  As it turns out, the maximum bet is so high that nobody ever gets close to it, and reducing it to a level where it would affect anyone would be super obvious.

For casinos with a smaller bankroll however, that would be a viable way of cheating.

[Dabs]

I stand corrected. I was thinking about other people other than the owner. For both PvE and PvP, the house can always pretend to be a player. (PvE = Player vs Environment, PvP = Player vs Player)

An example of PvE = dice site with investors, such as JD and SD, and some casinos with house poker and house blackjack. PvP = those adventure games, MMORPGs, regular poker, tournament blackjack, First Person Shooters.

And I just thought of another way for dooglus to rig the game (not as easy to spot): when the next nonce is about to win, skip it. (put a zero or low bet before it and credit the low value win instead.)

[dooglus]

And I just thought of another way for dooglus to rig the game (not as easy to spot): when the next nonce is about to win, skip it. (put a zero or low bet before it and credit the low value win instead.)

That's quite easy to spot if the player never bets zero or low stakes.  I guess with clever enough algorithms I could fill in a reasonable looking low bet that matches the player's patterns.  Then it's my word against his.  "I never made that low bet".

So far the only disputes have been the opposite way around.  People betting high amounts and claiming that they didn't mean to.

[drawingthesun]

And I just thought of another way for dooglus to rig the game (not as easy to spot): when the next nonce is about to win, skip it. (put a zero or low bet before it and credit the low value win instead.)

That's quite easy to spot if the player never bets zero or low stakes.  I guess with clever enough algorithms I could fill in a reasonable looking low bet that matches the player's patterns.  Then it's my word against his.  "I never made that low bet".

So far the only disputes have been the opposite way around.  People betting high amounts and claiming that they didn't mean to.

A easy way around this would be to put the nonce on their betting page so they can see what nonce each bet was (alongside each bet) so any funny business would be plain as bright skies

[b!z]

A fan notified me recently that they've tested out the site Just-dice.com for hours and have concluded that the site is rigged.
It has a built in bot to prevent people from winning.

Gamblers beware of the site Just-dice.com you've been warned.

I've been reading some of your posts about the Illuminati/Bilderberg group, and I can also confirm that Bitcoin is a scam, the Internet is a fad, and the Sun revolves around the Earth. Thanks for the tip, Actor_Tom_Truong.

[Dabs]

Yeah, dooglus, add that. Put the nonce count beside the bet count and bet id or something, where everyone can see it. People don't always look at the "Fair?" tab. Almost everyone looks at all other tabs and chat. And no one looks up the individual bet id just to peek at the nonce (well, I do.)

[monbux]

Where's is the OP?  Too embarrassed to show his face here? :3

[towtoad]

This post is bullshit, a conclusion without any solid support.

No proof, no claim.

I'm the proof that doog's site is not rigged.

[dooglus]

This post is bullshit, a conclusion without any solid support.

No proof, no claim.

I'm the proof that doog's site is not rigged.

Yeah, unless you ARE me...

[towtoad]

This post is bullshit, a conclusion without any solid support.

No proof, no claim.

I'm the proof that doog's site is not rigged.

Yeah, unless you ARE me...

sigh, I hope I was you. Then I didn't have to prove to you anything... and I would have a much better "reputation" right now.

[monbux]

This post is bullshit, a conclusion without any solid support.

No proof, no claim.

I'm the proof that doog's site is not rigged.

Yeah, unless you ARE me...

sigh, I hope I was you. Then I didn't have to prove to you anything... and I would have a much better "reputation" right now.

lol @ the newbies looking here and wondering what the heck is going on.

[b!z]

Where's is the OP?  Too embarrassed to show his face here? :3

That's what he likes to do, check his previous post. He creates a new thread and whines about important people / illuminati and never posts in the thread again.

[faiza1990]

some peoples have hobby to put there own failures on others and this OP is also like this may be feel jealousy and doing this or may be for some intention from community

[Insanity]

This is why I only bet on sites that have video verification for each bet.

[uoyeparannog]

Love ya.

[MRKLYE]

Proofless FUD.

Go act like you aren't embarrassed by this cry wolf sillyness.

[towtoad]

This post is bullshit, a conclusion without any solid support.

No proof, no claim.

I'm the proof that doog's site is not rigged.

Yeah, unless you ARE me...

sigh, I hope I was you. Then I didn't have to prove to you anything... and I would have a much better "reputation" right now.

lol @ the newbies looking here and wondering what the heck is going on.

A complicated tale.

[yvv]

A fan notified me recently that they've tested out the site Just-dice.com for hours and have concluded that the site is rigged.
It has a built in bot to prevent people from winning.

Gamblers beware of the site Just-dice.com you've been warned.

I think that russians are immune to this bot. Because it does not prevent me from winning. Fucking racist bot.

[eXme]

i had 11 times under 50 in a row.. can someone calc the chance of that crack? 0o

p.s. its not a rig its luck

[yvv]

i had 11 times under 50 in a row.. can someone calc the chance of that crack? 0o

0.5**11*100=0.048828125%

You lucky bustard.

EDIT: this is the most useful equation in probability theory http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binomial_distribution

[eXme]

i had 11 times under 50 in a row.. can someone calc the chance of that crack? 0o

0.5**11*100=0.048828125%

You lucky bustard.

EDIT: this is the most useful equation in probability theory http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binomial_distribution

motherfucker i sholdve bought lottery ticket 

[Zaih]

This thread should be deleted or at least have its topic title changed.

[dooglus]

i had 11 times under 50 in a row.. can someone calc the chance of that crack? 0o

p.s. its not a rig its luck

It's 1 in 2048.

How many rolls did you make?  The more you make, the more likely you are to see 1-in-2048 events.

[toddtervy]

i had 11 times under 50 in a row.. can someone calc the chance of that crack? 0o

p.s. its not a rig its luck

Woa, that is many of them.  Were these wins or losses.  I got almost that many once before but too bad they weren't big bets.

[mechs]

This post is bullshit, a conclusion without any solid support.

No proof, no claim.

I'm the proof that doog's site is not rigged.

Yeah, unless you ARE me...

sigh, I hope I was you. Then I didn't have to prove to you anything... and I would have a much better "reputation" right now.

lol @ the newbies looking here and wondering what the heck is going on.

A complicated tale.

Thanks for defending Doog's honor.  Shouldn't you get back to DDoSing Just-Dice so people will go to your crappy letsdice with its 2% house edge?

[dooglus]

i had 11 times under 50 in a row.. can someone calc the chance of that crack? 0o

p.s. its not a rig its luck

Woa, that is many of them.  Were these wins or losses.  I got almost that many once before but too bad they weren't big bets.

People never complain when they win 11 times in a row.  They usually don't even notice, because they're typically not doubling their bet every time they win.

It's when they lose 11 times in a row that the accusations start flying. 

[mc1225]

i had 11 times under 50 in a row.. can someone calc the chance of that crack? 0o

p.s. its not a rig its luck

Woa, that is many of them.  Were these wins or losses.  I got almost that many once before but too bad they weren't big bets.

People never complain when they win 11 times in a row.  They usually don't even notice, because they're typically not doubling their bet every time they win.

It's when they lose 11 times in a row that the accusations start flying. 

You are so right.

[yvv]

i had 11 times under 50 in a row.. can someone calc the chance of that crack? 0o

p.s. its not a rig its luck

It's 1 in 2048.

How many rolls did you make?  The more you make, the more likely you are to see 1-in-2048 events.

Fuck, I lost 15 times in a row in your fucking game. Yes, I know what is a chance, and how bad I am fucked up.

I did below 1000 games. ))

[rfisher1968]

The only way just-dice.com can cheat anyone is to know how the gambler bets.

Say that I bet 70% of the time on high and I never let my nonce go past 200. The next time I hit randomize just-dice.com can pick a server seed and client seed that produces negative results based on my betting style. But this can be overcome by entering your own client seed. So my advice is to always pick your own client seed if you think just-dice.com is rigged.  What I don't know is if a entered in client seed is known to just-dice.com before a server seed is picked. If it is known, then this could/can be used by just-dice.com to produce negative results for the gambler.

This is just pure speculation.

[fenican]

One of the many fallacies with Martingale is that bettors think extended losing streaks are rare when, in fact, they are an exceedingly common - and statistically probable - outcome in any long sequence of bets

[jlcooke]

One of the many fallacies with Martingale is that bettors think extended losing streaks are rare when, in fact, they are an exceedingly common - and statistically probable - outcome in any long sequence of bets

Perhaps a bit OT (frankly, moving OT sounds a great idea at this point).

Question: is there a way to view my investment balance over time as a chart?  The past 30 days would be great to illustrate my question.

The past few weeks I saw my investment profits in JD go from 0.80 BTC Mondays up to 1.08 BTC Sundays only to see it go back down to 0.78 BTC the next Monday morning (Eastern Time zone).

Understanding that 10% of profits I make in a given week I wonder if others are seeing this would like to comment on why this is happening?

10% of (1.08-0.80) = 0.028

So Monday I should see my profit stand at 1.062 BTC but it's currently at about 0.78 BTC.

Volatility I understand, even this behaviour is statistically possible (lots of players losing Sundays but then they go on a winning streak last-Sunday to early-Monday).  But this seems like a very low probability to occurr 3 weeks in a row.

Code:

2013-09-07  15655.98310993
2013-09-08   5150.63159109
2013-09-09   1663.19716859
2013-09-10   2809.54404842
2013-09-11   3895.55491310
2013-09-12   3776.94898158
2013-09-13   3569.81366765
2013-09-14   4849.77142126
2013-09-15   4188.36475008

Code:

biggest cumulative gains in last 24 hours

+--------+--------------+
| uid    | profit       |
+--------+--------------+
| 127021 | 221.02813105 |
|  13839 |  27.23663092 |
|  12433 |    16.019802 |
| 124162 |      13.8435 |
|  88818 |       8.2501 |
|   9780 |   5.73832733 |
| 129398 |   5.09825233 |
| 114382 |     4.256836 |
| 128071 |         3.71 |
| 125863 |   3.07536812 |
+--------+--------------+

biggest cumulative losses in last 24 hours

+--------+---------------+
| uid    | profit        |
+--------+---------------+
| 128039 | -119.95574434 |
|  23069 |  -22.47396041 |
|  55555 |     -19.08584 |
|  78612 |    -7.4543464 |
| 128872 |            -7 |
| 129734 |         -6.76 |
| 110477 |    -6.0217465 |
| 113327 |       -4.7746 |
|  76634 |       -4.4653 |
| 123187 |        -4.337 |
+--------+---------------+

biggest cumulative amount wagered in last 24 hours

+--------+---------------+
| uid    | wagered       |
+--------+---------------+
| 127021 | 5266.83490895 |
| 128039 |  903.97145621 |
|  13839 |  597.19132332 |
|  23069 |     465.92495 |
|   9780 |  356.15823636 |
| 128119 |  273.19112971 |
| 129398 |  166.05712256 |
| 124162 |      127.9935 |
| 129734 |  100.38998501 |
| 125863 |   94.32733625 |
+--------+---------------+

[dooglus]

So my advice is to always pick your own client seed if you think just-dice.com is rigged.  What I don't know is if a entered in client seed is known to just-dice.com before a server seed is picked.

The 'randomize' dialog shows you the hash of your new server seed before asking you for your client seed.

That's essential, because otherwise as you point out, the site could cheat you.

[dooglus]

Question: is there a way to view my investment balance over time as a chart?  The past 30 days would be great to illustrate my question.

Not currently, but I can show you the overall site profits over the last few weeks.  Your investment balance will go up and down with the site bankroll.



The vertical gridlines correspond to midnight Sunday UTC, ie. when commission is taken.  You can see that yesterday there was a big drop in profits (due to Doctor Lee martingaling a small deposit up to 900 BTC!) but I don't see the same thing on previous weeks.

Edit: replaced chart with up-to-date one

[aksplace]

Infinite law of probability should not be used as a mathematical stance when in regards to statistical gambling Douglas. If that was the case surely this would have happened by someone at sometime during the past 100 years.

[dooglus]

Infinite law of probability should not be used as a mathematical stance when in regards to statistical gambling Douglas. If that was the case surely this would have happened by someone at sometime during the past 100 years.

I've no idea what you're referring to or what you mean.  Maybe quote the point I made that you're disagreeing with; that might help.

Are you saying that just because there's a 1 in 1024 chance of losing 10 50/50 rolls in a row you can't use that fact when looking at a sequence of real dice rolls?  Because that sounds silly to me.  But I can't think what else you're getting at.

And that looks like a photo of something that happened.  Some time during the past 100 years someone folded up some clothes and put them in a dryer.  But what's your point?

[aksplace]

Infinite law of probability should not be used as a mathematical stance when in regards to statistical gambling Douglas. If that was the case surely this would have happened by someone at sometime during the past 100 years.

I've no idea what you're referring to or what you mean.  Maybe quote the point I made that you're disagreeing with; that might help.

Are you saying that just because there's a 1 in 1024 chance of losing 10 50/50 rolls in a row you can't use that fact when looking at a sequence of real dice rolls?  Because that sounds silly to me.  But I can't think what else you're getting at.

And that looks like a photo of something that happened.  Some time during the past 100 years someone folded up some clothes and put them in a dryer.  But what's your point?

The point is law of probability is a farce and not mathematics. According to the infinite law of probability by putting your wet clothes into a dryer some day or time they will be perfectly folded and organized which we both know is not a reality. I'm not necessarily arguing any particular comment you made accept the fact 1 in 1024 chances is assuming the particular program is legitimate. Now we both know I think Just-Dice is but should only be used if a legitimate 3rd party has the winning/losing draws prior to the roll. If not any scam company could claim as such which is a green card for cheats and scammers to exploit legitimate customers.

[Dabs]

The rolls from just-dice are fixed as soon as you randomize and input your client seed. The server seed is fixed. The client seed is fixed. And the nonce is known all the way to the next billion rolls. All results can be computed. You can verify it after, just randomize again to get the previous server seed.

Then you can now compute the same rolls from start to finish.

[organofcorti]

Infinite law of probability should not be used as a mathematical stance when in regards to statistical gambling Douglas. If that was the case surely this would have happened by someone at sometime during the past 100 years.

I've no idea what you're referring to or what you mean.  Maybe quote the point I made that you're disagreeing with; that might help.

Are you saying that just because there's a 1 in 1024 chance of losing 10 50/50 rolls in a row you can't use that fact when looking at a sequence of real dice rolls?  Because that sounds silly to me.  But I can't think what else you're getting at.

And that looks like a photo of something that happened.  Some time during the past 100 years someone folded up some clothes and put them in a dryer.  But what's your point?

The point is law of probability is a farce and not mathematics.
<snip>

I must take issue with this statement.

[dooglus]

I must take issue with this statement.

He PM'ed me and we continued the discussion there.  He seems a little confused about things.

Here's how it went:

(08:30:44 PM) dooglus: I don't know the infinite law of probability you refer to
(08:30:55 PM) dooglus: I don't know any mathematical law about clothes dryers
(08:31:09 PM) aksplace: hehe no worries
(08:31:15 PM) dooglus: but to say probability isn't math is odd
(08:31:22 PM) dooglus: it is a part of math
(08:31:25 PM) aksplace: well it is
(08:31:39 PM) aksplace: but only if that probability could be verified prior to any drawing
(08:31:49 PM) aksplace: if not its a theory
(08:31:59 PM) dooglus: we can test the theory
(08:32:22 PM) dooglus: generate a billion rolls using the roll algorithm.  see that the distribution is very nearly linear
(08:32:56 PM) aksplace: agree but again with that happening thats only based on the fact the player would get the same distibution
(08:33:01 PM) dooglus: you don't have to trust Just-Dice - it is provably fair.  I publish the hash of the server seed before you roll, and the algorithm that does the rolling
(08:33:17 PM) aksplace: we dont know that for a certainty to many shady companies
(08:33:20 PM) dooglus: then when you're done, I publish the seed, so you can generate the rolls for yourself and see that they're the same
(08:34:01 PM) dooglus: the point of probably fairness is that you don't have to trust the company - you can check for yourself whether the rolls were fair
(08:34:11 PM) dooglus: you have to trust them to pay you when you click 'withdraw' of course

Nice typo towards the end. 

That's all that was said about it.  After that he changed the subject.

[mechs]

If Just-Dice is rigged, it is apparently rigged so the house loses judging by house much we are down since the last commission period.  Please rig it the other way!

[aksplace]

(08:34:01 PM) dooglus: the point of provably fairness is that you don't have to trust the company - you can check for yourself whether the rolls were fair

Not true the point is a company can exploit the roll based on the outcome they want it to be http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1frm4x/provably_fair_by_bitzino_not_provable_with/

I agree just-dice got hit hard by dr lee in which we considered lowering the financial security of the company based on it. I still don't see a reason though to do such just yet.

[The Goat Master]

(08:34:01 PM) dooglus: the point of provably fairness is that you don't have to trust the company - you can check for yourself whether the rolls were fair

Not true the point is a company can exploit the roll based on the outcome they want it to be http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1frm4x/provably_fair_by_bitzino_not_provable_with/

Yes, kingpfsports posted that I believe.

[aksplace]

I think he did but has been mentioned int he past by several companies prior to that. This is why I repeat the following:

The point is law of probability is a farce and not mathematics. According to the infinite law of probability by putting your wet clothes into a dryer some day or time they will be perfectly folded and organized which we both know is not a reality. I'm not necessarily arguing any particular comment you made accept the fact 1 in 1024 chances is assuming the particular program is legitimate. Now we both know I think Just-Dice is but should only be used if a legitimate 3rd party has the winning/losing draws prior to the roll. If not any scam company could claim as such which is a green card for cheats and scammers to exploit legitimate customers.

[dooglus]

(08:34:01 PM) dooglus: the point of provably fairness is that you don't have to trust the company - you can check for yourself whether the rolls were fair

Not true the point is a company can exploit the roll based on the outcome they want it to be http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1frm4x/provably_fair_by_bitzino_not_provable_with/

Do you think any of those points apply to Just-Dice?  If so, which?

It's hard to argue against such a large wall of text which was written about a different site with quite different provably fairness.

I claim that the user can independently verify that we're not cheating him and offer a description of how to do it, and even link to third-party tools that do it for him.  Do you see any way Just-Dice can cheat its users given this?  If so, how specifically?

I agree just-dice got hit hard by dr lee in which we considered lowering the financial security of the company based on it. I still don't see a reason though to do such just yet.

Who is "we" and how would you be able to lower Just-Dice's "financial security"?

[aksplace]

(08:34:01 PM) dooglus: the point of provably fairness is that you don't have to trust the company - you can check for yourself whether the rolls were fair

Not true the point is a company can exploit the roll based on the outcome they want it to be http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1frm4x/provably_fair_by_bitzino_not_provable_with/

Do you think any of those points apply to Just-Dice?  If so, which?

It's hard to argue against such a large wall of text which was written about a different site with quite different provably fairness.

I claim that the user can independently verify that we're not cheating him and offer a description of how to do it, and even link to third-party tools that do it for him.  Do you see any way Just-Dice can cheat its users given this?  If so, how specifically?

I agree just-dice got hit hard by dr lee in which we considered lowering the financial security of the company based on it. I still don't see a reason though to do such just yet.

Who is "we" and how would you be able to lower Just-Dice's "financial security"?

I already mentioned Just-Dice should not be considered rogue or unfair as I was speaking from a main generality from all bitcoin gambling operations in general. I think we both know a majority of bitcoin gambling sites are not to be trusted. Financial security is clearly an important aspect to any online bitcoin site as well (look at casinobit as an example). I still don't see any reason though why one should be concerned with Just-Dice they pay and pay fast and the operation currently is set up to which they cannot lose more than what is available. I think your taking this personal which you shouldn't I still like you and respect the brand just as I did last week or a month ago. (even after Dr Lee took about 2%) 

[dooglus]

(08:34:01 PM) dooglus: the point of provably fairness is that you don't have to trust the company - you can check for yourself whether the rolls were fair

Not true the point is a company can exploit the roll based on the outcome they want it to be http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1frm4x/provably_fair_by_bitzino_not_provable_with/

Do you think any of those points apply to Just-Dice?  If so, which?

It's hard to argue against such a large wall of text which was written about a different site with quite different provably fairness.

I claim that the user can independently verify that we're not cheating him and offer a description of how to do it, and even link to third-party tools that do it for him.  Do you see any way Just-Dice can cheat its users given this?  If so, how specifically?

I agree just-dice got hit hard by dr lee in which we considered lowering the financial security of the company based on it. I still don't see a reason though to do such just yet.

Who is "we" and how would you be able to lower Just-Dice's "financial security"?

I already mentioned Just-Dice should not be considered rogue or unfair as I was speaking from a main generality from all bitcoin gambling operations in general. I think we both know a majority of bitcoin gambling sites are not to be trusted. Financial security is clearly an important aspect to any online bitcoin site as well (look at casinobit as an example). I still don't see any reason though why one should be concerned with Just-Dice they pay and pay fast and the operation currently is set up to which they cannot lose more than what is available. I think your taking this personal which you shouldn't I still like you and respect the brand just as I did last week or a month ago. (even after Dr Lee took about 2%) 

I'm not taking it personally.  But this is a thread about whether Just-Dice is a scam.  That's what I thought we were talking about.  We can stop if you like.

[aksplace]

(08:34:01 PM) dooglus: the point of provably fairness is that you don't have to trust the company - you can check for yourself whether the rolls were fair

Not true the point is a company can exploit the roll based on the outcome they want it to be http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1frm4x/provably_fair_by_bitzino_not_provable_with/

Do you think any of those points apply to Just-Dice?  If so, which?

It's hard to argue against such a large wall of text which was written about a different site with quite different provably fairness.

I claim that the user can independently verify that we're not cheating him and offer a description of how to do it, and even link to third-party tools that do it for him.  Do you see any way Just-Dice can cheat its users given this?  If so, how specifically?

I agree just-dice got hit hard by dr lee in which we considered lowering the financial security of the company based on it. I still don't see a reason though to do such just yet.

Who is "we" and how would you be able to lower Just-Dice's "financial security"?

I already mentioned Just-Dice should not be considered rogue or unfair as I was speaking from a main generality from all bitcoin gambling operations in general. I think we both know a majority of bitcoin gambling sites are not to be trusted. Financial security is clearly an important aspect to any online bitcoin site as well (look at casinobit as an example). I still don't see any reason though why one should be concerned with Just-Dice they pay and pay fast and the operation currently is set up to which they cannot lose more than what is available. I think your taking this personal which you shouldn't I still like you and respect the brand just as I did last week or a month ago. (even after Dr Lee took about 2%)  

I'm not taking it personally.  But this is a thread about whether Just-Dice is a scam.  That's what I thought we were talking about.  We can stop if you like.

Just-Dice is not a scam I just made a profit once again and cashed out with no problems. (mods should consider deleting this thread gives a legitimate company a bad name)

[dooglus]

Just-Dice is not a scam I just made a profit once again and cashed out with no problems. (mods should consider deleting this thread gives a legitimate company a bad name)

Other than the OP, I think almost every post in this thread has been positive about JD.  It kind of sucks to see "Just-Dice is rigged" at the top of the thread list all the time, but I can't stop bumping it...

[aksplace]

(08:34:01 PM) dooglus: the point of provably fairness is that you don't have to trust the company - you can check for yourself whether the rolls were fair

Not true the point is a company can exploit the roll based on the outcome they want it to be http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1frm4x/provably_fair_by_bitzino_not_provable_with/

I agree just-dice got hit hard by dr lee in which we considered lowering the financial security of the company based on it. I still don't see a reason though to do such just yet.

Another huge hit from this company and according to the site is in the RED. As I was mentioning financial security is extremely important and have hinted in the past in regards to the betting limits that are allowed currently. As much as I and all of us like Douglas and Just-Dice we are going to downgrade slightly until some sort of in surety betting limits put into place. This might not be a popular decision but think its the fair thing to do at this time.

[organofcorti]

(08:34:01 PM) dooglus: the point of provably fairness is that you don't have to trust the company - you can check for yourself whether the rolls were fair

Not true the point is a company can exploit the roll based on the outcome they want it to be http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1frm4x/provably_fair_by_bitzino_not_provable_with/

I agree just-dice got hit hard by dr lee in which we considered lowering the financial security of the company based on it. I still don't see a reason though to do such just yet.

Another huge hit from this company and according to the site is in the RED. As I was mentioning financial security is extremely important and have hinted in the past in regards to the betting limits that are allowed currently. As much as I and all of us like Douglas and Just-Dice we are going to downgrade slightly until some sort of in surety betting limits put into place. ........

We are? No one told me I was.

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

I claim that the user can independently verify that we're not cheating him and offer a description of how to do it, and even link to third-party tools that do it for him.  Do you see any way Just-Dice can cheat its users given this?  If so, how specifically?

Yes, by giving the player a bad / pre-computed original seed.

[Mooshire]

I claim that the user can independently verify that we're not cheating him and offer a description of how to do it, and even link to third-party tools that do it for him.  Do you see any way Just-Dice can cheat its users given this?  If so, how specifically?

Yes, by giving the player a bad / pre-computed original seed.

This. The arbitrary restriction on re randomizing only once every 100 rolls is pretty sketchy.

[b!z]

(08:34:01 PM) dooglus: the point of provably fairness is that you don't have to trust the company - you can check for yourself whether the rolls were fair

Not true the point is a company can exploit the roll based on the outcome they want it to be http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1frm4x/provably_fair_by_bitzino_not_provable_with/

I agree just-dice got hit hard by dr lee in which we considered lowering the financial security of the company based on it. I still don't see a reason though to do such just yet.

Another huge hit from this company and according to the site is in the RED. As I was mentioning financial security is extremely important and have hinted in the past in regards to the betting limits that are allowed currently. As much as I and all of us like Douglas and Just-Dice we are going to downgrade slightly until some sort of in surety betting limits put into place. This might not be a popular decision but think its the fair thing to do at this time.

So the guy that might be tied to Betcoin just downgraded JD from A+ to A, yes there is financial issues but after TF provided evidence of in house betting nothing happens to Betcoin.  Betcoin is basically a complete copy of Sahosti Dice and Sahosti Circle and a RNG casino pretty much like Bit777 (whom I have had very good dealings with).

They buy pre-made scripts, that's why they're so similar

[aksplace]

(08:34:01 PM) dooglus: the point of provably fairness is that you don't have to trust the company - you can check for yourself whether the rolls were fair

Not true the point is a company can exploit the roll based on the outcome they want it to be http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1frm4x/provably_fair_by_bitzino_not_provable_with/

I agree just-dice got hit hard by dr lee in which we considered lowering the financial security of the company based on it. I still don't see a reason though to do such just yet.

Another huge hit from this company and according to the site is in the RED. As I was mentioning financial security is extremely important and have hinted in the past in regards to the betting limits that are allowed currently. As much as I and all of us like Douglas and Just-Dice we are going to downgrade slightly until some sort of in surety betting limits put into place. This might not be a popular decision but think its the fair thing to do at this time.

So the guy that might be tied to Betcoin just downgraded JD from A+ to A, yes there is financial issues but after TF provided evidence of in house betting nothing happens to Betcoin. Betcoin is basically a complete copy of Sahosti Dice and Sahosti Circle and a RNG casino pretty much like Bit777 (whom I have had very good dealings with).

Matter Of Opinion

BCP- downgraded JD from A+ to A which I still consider safe just a drop in financial security. (I'm aware of the large investing pool really could be an entire new conversation)
uvwvj- yes there is financial issues  
I guess I don't comprehend what your trying to dispute by mentioning this.

BCP- upgraded Betcoin from A to A+
uvwvj- Betcoin is participating with house betting and now competes with some other competitors by offering similar products.
Response 1: Not sure why a well funded company competing against another should be considered a bad thing. I think a majority would agree it keeps the sites in question on top of things and continues to push them on improving the products that they currently do offer.
Response 2: Bit777 and Betcoin provide different random number generating software. (feel free to submit to us positive feedback with Bit777 so we can keep a file of more player reviews and consider upgrading.

regards

[Dabs]

Eeeeeeeh, some dude writes an article and everyone likes it even if most of it isn't even really applicable to not only other bitcoin casinos or dice sites, but even to the site that is directly mentioned in the article. It's as if people have no brains of their own and can't think for themselves.

But this is bitcoin and bitcointalk. We are unfortunately outnumbered by the ill informed or ignorant masses. For every member of Mensa here, there are 99 idiots. Well, that's true everywhere.

[bit777]

(08:34:01 PM) dooglus: the point of provably fairness is that you don't have to trust the company - you can check for yourself whether the rolls were fair

Not true the point is a company can exploit the roll based on the outcome they want it to be http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1frm4x/provably_fair_by_bitzino_not_provable_with/

I agree just-dice got hit hard by dr lee in which we considered lowering the financial security of the company based on it. I still don't see a reason though to do such just yet.

Another huge hit from this company and according to the site is in the RED. As I was mentioning financial security is extremely important and have hinted in the past in regards to the betting limits that are allowed currently. As much as I and all of us like Douglas and Just-Dice we are going to downgrade slightly until some sort of in surety betting limits put into place. This might not be a popular decision but think its the fair thing to do at this time.

So the guy that might be tied to Betcoin just downgraded JD from A+ to A, yes there is financial issues but after TF provided evidence of in house betting nothing happens to Betcoin. Betcoin is basically a complete copy of Sahosti Dice and Sahosti Circle and a RNG casino pretty much like Bit777 (whom I have had very good dealings with).

Matter Of Opinion

BCP- downgraded JD from A+ to A which I still consider safe just a drop in financial security. (I'm aware of the large investing pool really could be an entire new conversation)
uvwvj- yes there is financial issues  
I guess I don't comprehend what your trying to dispute by mentioning this.

BCP- upgraded Betcoin from A to A+
uvwvj- Betcoin is participating with house betting and now competes with some other competitors by offering similar products.
Response 1: Not sure why a well funded company competing against another should be considered a bad thing. I think a majority would agree it keeps the sites in question on top of things and continues to push them on improving the products that they currently do offer.
Response 2: Bit777 and Betcoin provide different random number generating software. (feel free to submit to us positive feedback with Bit777 so we can keep a file of more player reviews and consider upgrading.

regards

http://www.bitcoincasinopro.com/reviews/bit777/

BCP Overall Rating
C-
Software   D-
Financial Security   B-
Customer Service   B+
Promotions   C-

Questionable hand results based on a 20 hand seed.
D- for our software - Yeah, right.
B- for financial security - We don't have a single payout complaint in 5 months with 5000 people that have passed through the site. Not sure B- is realistic.
B+ for customer service - We reply to all customer questions within the hour by email, and we reply actively on the forum.
C- for promotions - Now that is outright bullshit. We are most likely the only casino that offers decent deposit bonuses, we do have 2 separate freebie giveaways, and we also comp our regular players whenever they ask for it. How is that C-??


To be honest, the way that you have Betcoin as A+ discredits you so much, that it is beyond me why are you still thinking anyone is taking you seriously. I once told you, if you want to become an authority, act as one.

[organofcorti]

To be honest, the way that you have Betcoin as A+ discredits you so much, that it is beyond me why are you still thinking anyone is taking you seriously. I once told you, if you want to become an authority, act as one.

Who takes him seriously, and why does he refer to himself in the third person? Is he someone I should know or care about?

[bit777]

To be honest, the way that you have Betcoin as A+ discredits you so much, that it is beyond me why are you still thinking anyone is taking you seriously. I once told you, if you want to become an authority, act as one.

Who takes him seriously, and why does he refer to himself in the third person? Is he someone I should know or care about?

Who and why...good questions. Should you... I don't really think so.

[organofcorti]

To be honest, the way that you have Betcoin as A+ discredits you so much, that it is beyond me why are you still thinking anyone is taking you seriously. I once told you, if you want to become an authority, act as one.

Who takes him seriously, and why does he refer to himself in the third person? Is he someone I should know or care about?

Who and why...good questions. Should you... I don't really think so.

Well, thanks for taking the time to respond, but I was hoping for a slightly more specific answer to all three questions? Why does this guy think other people pay attention to him?

Perhaps I'm just showing off my short attention span here, but I don't recall the poster's name anywhere.

[bit777]

To be honest, the way that you have Betcoin as A+ discredits you so much, that it is beyond me why are you still thinking anyone is taking you seriously. I once told you, if you want to become an authority, act as one.

Who takes him seriously, and why does he refer to himself in the third person? Is he someone I should know or care about?

Who and why...good questions. Should you... I don't really think so.

Well, thanks for taking the time to respond, but I was hoping for a slightly more specific answer to all three questions? Why does this guy think other people pay attention to him?

Perhaps I'm just showing off my short attention span here, but I don't recall the poster's name anywhere.

He runs a website that rates different bitcoin casinos, as well as handles complaints against the casinos.

[organofcorti]

To be honest, the way that you have Betcoin as A+ discredits you so much, that it is beyond me why are you still thinking anyone is taking you seriously. I once told you, if you want to become an authority, act as one.

Who takes him seriously, and why does he refer to himself in the third person? Is he someone I should know or care about?

Who and why...good questions. Should you... I don't really think so.

Well, thanks for taking the time to respond, but I was hoping for a slightly more specific answer to all three questions? Why does this guy think other people pay attention to him?

Perhaps I'm just showing off my short attention span here, but I don't recall the poster's name anywhere.

He runs a website that rates different bitcoin casinos, as well as handles complaints against the casinos.

Ah, ok. Cheers bit777. I don't really have time to trawl through the site (I guess it's the one linked in the post) so are any of the ratings evidence based or is it all just inference and opinion?

[bit777]

To be honest, the way that you have Betcoin as A+ discredits you so much, that it is beyond me why are you still thinking anyone is taking you seriously. I once told you, if you want to become an authority, act as one.

Who takes him seriously, and why does he refer to himself in the third person? Is he someone I should know or care about?

Who and why...good questions. Should you... I don't really think so.

Well, thanks for taking the time to respond, but I was hoping for a slightly more specific answer to all three questions? Why does this guy think other people pay attention to him?

Perhaps I'm just showing off my short attention span here, but I don't recall the poster's name anywhere.

He runs a website that rates different bitcoin casinos, as well as handles complaints against the casinos.

Ah, ok. Cheers bit777. I don't really have time to trawl through the site (I guess it's the one linked in the post) so are any of the ratings evidence based or is it all just inference and opinion?

Inference and opinion

[aksplace]

I claim that the user can independently verify that we're not cheating him and offer a description of how to do it, and even link to third-party tools that do it for him.  Do you see any way Just-Dice can cheat its users given this?  If so, how specifically?

Yes, by giving the player a bad / pre-computed original seed.

that was being said from a friend to a friend so how can one eliminate this possibility to insure games are always provable safe? 

[mises]

Hey guys! I lost 1000$ on just-dice and some guy said it was rigged so I want my money back now! Zomg!


/s

Yeah OP doesn't have any real proof to back his statement.

[sedrchang]

I have test this site, 2 times with 0.1 BTC , result = completely Rigged

When you double/triple or almost double/triple your funds... this site will give you at least 10-25 RED Streaks no matter what you press high or low.. what your strategy is.. the bot will learn your strategy and then make the opposite from that strategy, remember i sacrifice 0.2 BTC in here.. altou thats maybe small to you... for me 0.0000000x BTC is important.

AND Dice Now too... so better becoem investor.

[shitaifan2013]

I have test this site, 2 times with 0.1 BTC , result = completely Rigged

When you double/triple or almost double/triple your funds... this site will give you at least 10-25 RED Streaks no matter what you press high or low.. what your strategy is.. the bot will learn your strategy and then make the opposite from that strategy, remember i sacrifice 0.2 BTC in here.. altou thats maybe small to you... for me 0.0000000x BTC is important.

AND Dice Now too... so better becoem investor.

with all these false claims in there, care to give out your account UIDs so we can ask doog to check your rolls? 

[a1choi]

I have test this site, 2 times with 0.1 BTC , result = completely Rigged

When you double/triple or almost double/triple your funds... this site will give you at least 10-25 RED Streaks no matter what you press high or low.. what your strategy is.. the bot will learn your strategy and then make the opposite from that strategy, remember i sacrifice 0.2 BTC in here.. altou thats maybe small to you... for me 0.0000000x BTC is important.

AND Dice Now too... so better becoem investor.

love the sarcasm! 

[Sirrah]

When you double/triple or almost double/triple your funds... this site will give you at least 10-25 RED Streaks no matter what you press high or low.. what your strategy is.. the bot will learn your strategy and then make the opposite from that strategy, remember i sacrifice 0.2 BTC in here.. altou thats maybe small to you... for me 0.0000000x BTC is important.

Well clearly you don't even understand basic mathematics  First off in probability there is always variance - if you want to prove something is rigged do 1 billion rolls and if there is a variance of greater than 1% from the expected value than maybe you can claim it. If you do like a couple of thousand rolls of course you're going to hit variance - claiming it is the result of a rigged casino is just ignorance. Same thing with having a 'strategy', they all have the same expected value in the long term so there is no such thing as a 'strategy'. Once more, anyone with an elementary understanding of maths will realise this so you have simply shown how little you know.

[boumalo]

I would trust just-dice more than the other casinos around, especially since it is one of the biggest and provably fair

[shitaifan2013]

I would trust just-dice more than the other casinos around, especially since it is one of the biggest and provably fair

I'd trust JD also more than most online wallets 

[Sirrah]

I'd trust JD also more than most online wallets 

Well put it this way, doog has had access to over 40K BTC at one point and to this day I don't think he's stolen a single BTC of that. Comparatively, TF just upped and went away with a good 4K, so I would trust doog  to a far greater extent than any web wallet.

[shitaifan2013]

I'd trust JD also more than most online wallets 

Well put it this way, doog has had access to over 40K BTC at one point and to this day I don't think he's stolen a single BTC of that. Comparatively, TF just upped and went away with a good 4K, so I would trust doog  to a far greater extent than any web wallet.

it was over 60k at one point. also JD has close to no down times an really active support by doog & deb and lots of people in the trollbox to ask all the noob questions. and thx to math if you keep your money invested there is a good chance that is getting more 

[ukwarren]

I have test this site, 2 times with 0.1 BTC , result = completely Rigged

When you double/triple or almost double/triple your funds... this site will give you at least 10-25 RED Streaks no matter what you press high or low.. what your strategy is.. the bot will learn your strategy and then make the opposite from that strategy, remember i sacrifice 0.2 BTC in here.. altou thats maybe small to you... for me 0.0000000x BTC is important.

AND Dice Now too... so better becoem investor.

What do you expect people to think here sedrchang? You tested 2 times wow what a test, I've won so many times on just-dice 40x my deposits.Try playing some more and stop talking rubbish in here and in the just-dice Chat. Your claims are void and your a bigger joke than i thought if you expect people to take your test serious.
Come and private chat with me in jd and we can talk this over and hopefully you will be a gent and remove this thread.

Regards
Warren

[ukwarren]

A fan notified me recently that they've tested out the site Just-dice.com for hours and have concluded that the site is rigged.
It has a built in bot to prevent people from winning.

Gamblers beware of the site Just-dice.com you've been warned.

Come chat with me in jd any time pm me @warren
Pretty unfair you posted this hear say info here without any proof.
Do you know how many people win on jd all day long?
Be a gent and at least come chat with me in jd.

Regards Warren

[MikeCorleone]

Yeah- I too, would love to see some proof of JD cheating. I've been around for a long time. You said .1 etc etc you bust, well bet smaller. I took 0.0003 to 1.5btc once. And close to that several times. Its not cheating you just bet to much of your bankroll..... proof or gtfo

[Nobitcoin]

Well if every one won wouldn't that be nice.. I think you and your friend should wakeup.  Maybe look in a dictionary to the definition of 'Gambling'

[KingOfSports]

Bitching about losing, ain't that cute.

[boumalo]

Just dice on an other site and relax!

[theskillzdatklls]

once i thought just-dice was rigged but then i just redeposited a few more bitcoins and then i made thousands of usd's. haven't looked back since maybe you should try.

[surfer43]

What does JD profit on average a day in %?

[theskillzdatklls]

What does JD profit on average a day in %?

if you double your bet each time you lose you typically make 100-200% per day depending on how hard you work

[surfer43]

What does JD profit on average a day in %?

if you double your bet each time you lose you typically make 100-200% per day depending on how hard you work

LOL, no I mean the house.

[boumalo]

What does JD profit on average a day in %?

if you double your bet each time you lose you typically make 100-200% per day depending on how hard you work

LOL, no I mean the house.

Lol, If you could just do martingales and take away the casino owner's money why would people work?

House has an ev of 1% of total bets
JD has a few thousands bets every day and a bankroll of 31,000, I let you do the math

[joksim299]

its definitely not rigged ive played on it and won several times.

Sometimes it's rigged sometimes is not 

[dooglus]

Sometimes it's rigged sometimes is not 

The game is provably fair. It's never rigged.

On an average day the house profit is 1% of the amount wagered. If you average over a long enough period which extends forwards to infinity.

If you average over the time it has been running and weight by volume then the profit on an average day is just 0.29% of the amount wagered.

[a1choi]

Sometimes it's rigged sometimes is not 

The game is provably fair. It's never rigged.

On an average day the house profit is 1% of the amount wagered. If you average over a long enough period which extends forwards to infinity.

If you average over the time it has been running and weight by volume then the profit on an average day is just 0.29% of the amount wagered.

don't worry, math dictates it will tend to 1% over time...  could be 1000 years, but in time, it will approach 1%.

[joksim299]

Sometimes it's rigged sometimes is not  

The game is provably fair. It's never rigged.

On an average day the house profit is 1% of the amount wagered. If you average over a long enough period which extends forwards to infinity.

If you average over the time it has been running and weight by volume then the profit on an average day is just 0.29% of the amount wagered.

I know.
But players say rigged when they lose and fair when they win. (Provably fair does not mean that you will always win*) But those who say it's rigged always come back and play.

[broolstoryco]

http://www.cuongvtruong.com/

I really think this guy is mentally challenged (no offense OP)

[Giftcoins]

It's always "rigged" when you loose

If player comes to the site and wins 25 times on 50% in a row, makes the site bankrupt doubt he would refund money and say it was not ok for him to win that much.

No point writing about this any more

[organofcorti]

http://www.cuongvtruong.com/

I really think this guy is mentally challenged (no offense OP)

In any society there are always people that need others to care for them and look out for them. Think of the OP as the village idiot (no offense, OP) treat him with kindness, and read some of the other stuff he posts for light entertainment.

[felicita]

Sometimes it's rigged sometimes is not 

The game is provably fair. It's never rigged.

On an average day the house profit is 1% of the amount wagered. If you average over a long enough period which extends forwards to infinity.

If you average over the time it has been running and weight by volume then the profit on an average day is just 0.29% of the amount wagered.

Are you the admin of just-dice project ?
Iam searching an offical topic here with some reviews of just dice XD



regards

[jpcfan]

Sometimes it's rigged sometimes is not 

The game is provably fair. It's never rigged.

On an average day the house profit is 1% of the amount wagered. If you average over a long enough period which extends forwards to infinity.

If you average over the time it has been running and weight by volume then the profit on an average day is just 0.29% of the amount wagered.

Are you the admin of just-dice project ?
Iam searching an offical topic here with some reviews of just dice XD



regards

yeah thats him but this thread is 23 years old.


try this thread for JD info

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=238613.0