Just-Dice.com game is rigged

[aksplace]

(08:34:01 PM) dooglus: the point of provably fairness is that you don't have to trust the company - you can check for yourself whether the rolls were fair

Not true the point is a company can exploit the roll based on the outcome they want it to be http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1frm4x/provably_fair_by_bitzino_not_provable_with/

Do you think any of those points apply to Just-Dice?  If so, which?

It's hard to argue against such a large wall of text which was written about a different site with quite different provably fairness.

I claim that the user can independently verify that we're not cheating him and offer a description of how to do it, and even link to third-party tools that do it for him.  Do you see any way Just-Dice can cheat its users given this?  If so, how specifically?

I agree just-dice got hit hard by dr lee in which we considered lowering the financial security of the company based on it. I still don't see a reason though to do such just yet.

Who is "we" and how would you be able to lower Just-Dice's "financial security"?

I already mentioned Just-Dice should not be considered rogue or unfair as I was speaking from a main generality from all bitcoin gambling operations in general. I think we both know a majority of bitcoin gambling sites are not to be trusted. Financial security is clearly an important aspect to any online bitcoin site as well (look at casinobit as an example). I still don't see any reason though why one should be concerned with Just-Dice they pay and pay fast and the operation currently is set up to which they cannot lose more than what is available. I think your taking this personal which you shouldn't I still like you and respect the brand just as I did last week or a month ago. (even after Dr Lee took about 2%) 

[dooglus]

(08:34:01 PM) dooglus: the point of provably fairness is that you don't have to trust the company - you can check for yourself whether the rolls were fair

Not true the point is a company can exploit the roll based on the outcome they want it to be http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1frm4x/provably_fair_by_bitzino_not_provable_with/

Do you think any of those points apply to Just-Dice?  If so, which?

It's hard to argue against such a large wall of text which was written about a different site with quite different provably fairness.

I claim that the user can independently verify that we're not cheating him and offer a description of how to do it, and even link to third-party tools that do it for him.  Do you see any way Just-Dice can cheat its users given this?  If so, how specifically?

I agree just-dice got hit hard by dr lee in which we considered lowering the financial security of the company based on it. I still don't see a reason though to do such just yet.

Who is "we" and how would you be able to lower Just-Dice's "financial security"?

I already mentioned Just-Dice should not be considered rogue or unfair as I was speaking from a main generality from all bitcoin gambling operations in general. I think we both know a majority of bitcoin gambling sites are not to be trusted. Financial security is clearly an important aspect to any online bitcoin site as well (look at casinobit as an example). I still don't see any reason though why one should be concerned with Just-Dice they pay and pay fast and the operation currently is set up to which they cannot lose more than what is available. I think your taking this personal which you shouldn't I still like you and respect the brand just as I did last week or a month ago. (even after Dr Lee took about 2%) 

I'm not taking it personally.  But this is a thread about whether Just-Dice is a scam.  That's what I thought we were talking about.  We can stop if you like.

[aksplace]

(08:34:01 PM) dooglus: the point of provably fairness is that you don't have to trust the company - you can check for yourself whether the rolls were fair

Not true the point is a company can exploit the roll based on the outcome they want it to be http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1frm4x/provably_fair_by_bitzino_not_provable_with/

Do you think any of those points apply to Just-Dice?  If so, which?

It's hard to argue against such a large wall of text which was written about a different site with quite different provably fairness.

I claim that the user can independently verify that we're not cheating him and offer a description of how to do it, and even link to third-party tools that do it for him.  Do you see any way Just-Dice can cheat its users given this?  If so, how specifically?

I agree just-dice got hit hard by dr lee in which we considered lowering the financial security of the company based on it. I still don't see a reason though to do such just yet.

Who is "we" and how would you be able to lower Just-Dice's "financial security"?

I already mentioned Just-Dice should not be considered rogue or unfair as I was speaking from a main generality from all bitcoin gambling operations in general. I think we both know a majority of bitcoin gambling sites are not to be trusted. Financial security is clearly an important aspect to any online bitcoin site as well (look at casinobit as an example). I still don't see any reason though why one should be concerned with Just-Dice they pay and pay fast and the operation currently is set up to which they cannot lose more than what is available. I think your taking this personal which you shouldn't I still like you and respect the brand just as I did last week or a month ago. (even after Dr Lee took about 2%)  

I'm not taking it personally.  But this is a thread about whether Just-Dice is a scam.  That's what I thought we were talking about.  We can stop if you like.

Just-Dice is not a scam I just made a profit once again and cashed out with no problems. (mods should consider deleting this thread gives a legitimate company a bad name)

[dooglus]

Just-Dice is not a scam I just made a profit once again and cashed out with no problems. (mods should consider deleting this thread gives a legitimate company a bad name)

Other than the OP, I think almost every post in this thread has been positive about JD.  It kind of sucks to see "Just-Dice is rigged" at the top of the thread list all the time, but I can't stop bumping it...

[aksplace]

(08:34:01 PM) dooglus: the point of provably fairness is that you don't have to trust the company - you can check for yourself whether the rolls were fair

Not true the point is a company can exploit the roll based on the outcome they want it to be http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1frm4x/provably_fair_by_bitzino_not_provable_with/

I agree just-dice got hit hard by dr lee in which we considered lowering the financial security of the company based on it. I still don't see a reason though to do such just yet.

Another huge hit from this company and according to the site is in the RED. As I was mentioning financial security is extremely important and have hinted in the past in regards to the betting limits that are allowed currently. As much as I and all of us like Douglas and Just-Dice we are going to downgrade slightly until some sort of in surety betting limits put into place. This might not be a popular decision but think its the fair thing to do at this time.

[organofcorti]

(08:34:01 PM) dooglus: the point of provably fairness is that you don't have to trust the company - you can check for yourself whether the rolls were fair

Not true the point is a company can exploit the roll based on the outcome they want it to be http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1frm4x/provably_fair_by_bitzino_not_provable_with/

I agree just-dice got hit hard by dr lee in which we considered lowering the financial security of the company based on it. I still don't see a reason though to do such just yet.

Another huge hit from this company and according to the site is in the RED. As I was mentioning financial security is extremely important and have hinted in the past in regards to the betting limits that are allowed currently. As much as I and all of us like Douglas and Just-Dice we are going to downgrade slightly until some sort of in surety betting limits put into place. ........

We are? No one told me I was.

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

I claim that the user can independently verify that we're not cheating him and offer a description of how to do it, and even link to third-party tools that do it for him.  Do you see any way Just-Dice can cheat its users given this?  If so, how specifically?

Yes, by giving the player a bad / pre-computed original seed.

[Mooshire]

I claim that the user can independently verify that we're not cheating him and offer a description of how to do it, and even link to third-party tools that do it for him.  Do you see any way Just-Dice can cheat its users given this?  If so, how specifically?

Yes, by giving the player a bad / pre-computed original seed.

This. The arbitrary restriction on re randomizing only once every 100 rolls is pretty sketchy.

[b!z]

(08:34:01 PM) dooglus: the point of provably fairness is that you don't have to trust the company - you can check for yourself whether the rolls were fair

Not true the point is a company can exploit the roll based on the outcome they want it to be http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1frm4x/provably_fair_by_bitzino_not_provable_with/

I agree just-dice got hit hard by dr lee in which we considered lowering the financial security of the company based on it. I still don't see a reason though to do such just yet.

Another huge hit from this company and according to the site is in the RED. As I was mentioning financial security is extremely important and have hinted in the past in regards to the betting limits that are allowed currently. As much as I and all of us like Douglas and Just-Dice we are going to downgrade slightly until some sort of in surety betting limits put into place. This might not be a popular decision but think its the fair thing to do at this time.

So the guy that might be tied to Betcoin just downgraded JD from A+ to A, yes there is financial issues but after TF provided evidence of in house betting nothing happens to Betcoin.  Betcoin is basically a complete copy of Sahosti Dice and Sahosti Circle and a RNG casino pretty much like Bit777 (whom I have had very good dealings with).

They buy pre-made scripts, that's why they're so similar

[aksplace]

(08:34:01 PM) dooglus: the point of provably fairness is that you don't have to trust the company - you can check for yourself whether the rolls were fair

Not true the point is a company can exploit the roll based on the outcome they want it to be http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1frm4x/provably_fair_by_bitzino_not_provable_with/

I agree just-dice got hit hard by dr lee in which we considered lowering the financial security of the company based on it. I still don't see a reason though to do such just yet.

Another huge hit from this company and according to the site is in the RED. As I was mentioning financial security is extremely important and have hinted in the past in regards to the betting limits that are allowed currently. As much as I and all of us like Douglas and Just-Dice we are going to downgrade slightly until some sort of in surety betting limits put into place. This might not be a popular decision but think its the fair thing to do at this time.

So the guy that might be tied to Betcoin just downgraded JD from A+ to A, yes there is financial issues but after TF provided evidence of in house betting nothing happens to Betcoin. Betcoin is basically a complete copy of Sahosti Dice and Sahosti Circle and a RNG casino pretty much like Bit777 (whom I have had very good dealings with).

Matter Of Opinion

BCP- downgraded JD from A+ to A which I still consider safe just a drop in financial security. (I'm aware of the large investing pool really could be an entire new conversation)
uvwvj- yes there is financial issues  
I guess I don't comprehend what your trying to dispute by mentioning this.

BCP- upgraded Betcoin from A to A+
uvwvj- Betcoin is participating with house betting and now competes with some other competitors by offering similar products.
Response 1: Not sure why a well funded company competing against another should be considered a bad thing. I think a majority would agree it keeps the sites in question on top of things and continues to push them on improving the products that they currently do offer.
Response 2: Bit777 and Betcoin provide different random number generating software. (feel free to submit to us positive feedback with Bit777 so we can keep a file of more player reviews and consider upgrading.

regards

[Dabs]

Eeeeeeeh, some dude writes an article and everyone likes it even if most of it isn't even really applicable to not only other bitcoin casinos or dice sites, but even to the site that is directly mentioned in the article. It's as if people have no brains of their own and can't think for themselves.

But this is bitcoin and bitcointalk. We are unfortunately outnumbered by the ill informed or ignorant masses. For every member of Mensa here, there are 99 idiots. Well, that's true everywhere.

[bit777]

(08:34:01 PM) dooglus: the point of provably fairness is that you don't have to trust the company - you can check for yourself whether the rolls were fair

Not true the point is a company can exploit the roll based on the outcome they want it to be http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1frm4x/provably_fair_by_bitzino_not_provable_with/

I agree just-dice got hit hard by dr lee in which we considered lowering the financial security of the company based on it. I still don't see a reason though to do such just yet.

Another huge hit from this company and according to the site is in the RED. As I was mentioning financial security is extremely important and have hinted in the past in regards to the betting limits that are allowed currently. As much as I and all of us like Douglas and Just-Dice we are going to downgrade slightly until some sort of in surety betting limits put into place. This might not be a popular decision but think its the fair thing to do at this time.

So the guy that might be tied to Betcoin just downgraded JD from A+ to A, yes there is financial issues but after TF provided evidence of in house betting nothing happens to Betcoin. Betcoin is basically a complete copy of Sahosti Dice and Sahosti Circle and a RNG casino pretty much like Bit777 (whom I have had very good dealings with).

Matter Of Opinion

BCP- downgraded JD from A+ to A which I still consider safe just a drop in financial security. (I'm aware of the large investing pool really could be an entire new conversation)
uvwvj- yes there is financial issues  
I guess I don't comprehend what your trying to dispute by mentioning this.

BCP- upgraded Betcoin from A to A+
uvwvj- Betcoin is participating with house betting and now competes with some other competitors by offering similar products.
Response 1: Not sure why a well funded company competing against another should be considered a bad thing. I think a majority would agree it keeps the sites in question on top of things and continues to push them on improving the products that they currently do offer.
Response 2: Bit777 and Betcoin provide different random number generating software. (feel free to submit to us positive feedback with Bit777 so we can keep a file of more player reviews and consider upgrading.

regards

http://www.bitcoincasinopro.com/reviews/bit777/

BCP Overall Rating
C-
Software   D-
Financial Security   B-
Customer Service   B+
Promotions   C-

Questionable hand results based on a 20 hand seed.
D- for our software - Yeah, right.
B- for financial security - We don't have a single payout complaint in 5 months with 5000 people that have passed through the site. Not sure B- is realistic.
B+ for customer service - We reply to all customer questions within the hour by email, and we reply actively on the forum.
C- for promotions - Now that is outright bullshit. We are most likely the only casino that offers decent deposit bonuses, we do have 2 separate freebie giveaways, and we also comp our regular players whenever they ask for it. How is that C-??


To be honest, the way that you have Betcoin as A+ discredits you so much, that it is beyond me why are you still thinking anyone is taking you seriously. I once told you, if you want to become an authority, act as one.

[organofcorti]

To be honest, the way that you have Betcoin as A+ discredits you so much, that it is beyond me why are you still thinking anyone is taking you seriously. I once told you, if you want to become an authority, act as one.

Who takes him seriously, and why does he refer to himself in the third person? Is he someone I should know or care about?

[bit777]

To be honest, the way that you have Betcoin as A+ discredits you so much, that it is beyond me why are you still thinking anyone is taking you seriously. I once told you, if you want to become an authority, act as one.

Who takes him seriously, and why does he refer to himself in the third person? Is he someone I should know or care about?

Who and why...good questions. Should you... I don't really think so.

[organofcorti]

To be honest, the way that you have Betcoin as A+ discredits you so much, that it is beyond me why are you still thinking anyone is taking you seriously. I once told you, if you want to become an authority, act as one.

Who takes him seriously, and why does he refer to himself in the third person? Is he someone I should know or care about?

Who and why...good questions. Should you... I don't really think so.

Well, thanks for taking the time to respond, but I was hoping for a slightly more specific answer to all three questions? Why does this guy think other people pay attention to him?

Perhaps I'm just showing off my short attention span here, but I don't recall the poster's name anywhere.

[bit777]

To be honest, the way that you have Betcoin as A+ discredits you so much, that it is beyond me why are you still thinking anyone is taking you seriously. I once told you, if you want to become an authority, act as one.

Who takes him seriously, and why does he refer to himself in the third person? Is he someone I should know or care about?

Who and why...good questions. Should you... I don't really think so.

Well, thanks for taking the time to respond, but I was hoping for a slightly more specific answer to all three questions? Why does this guy think other people pay attention to him?

Perhaps I'm just showing off my short attention span here, but I don't recall the poster's name anywhere.

He runs a website that rates different bitcoin casinos, as well as handles complaints against the casinos.

[organofcorti]

To be honest, the way that you have Betcoin as A+ discredits you so much, that it is beyond me why are you still thinking anyone is taking you seriously. I once told you, if you want to become an authority, act as one.

Who takes him seriously, and why does he refer to himself in the third person? Is he someone I should know or care about?

Who and why...good questions. Should you... I don't really think so.

Well, thanks for taking the time to respond, but I was hoping for a slightly more specific answer to all three questions? Why does this guy think other people pay attention to him?

Perhaps I'm just showing off my short attention span here, but I don't recall the poster's name anywhere.

He runs a website that rates different bitcoin casinos, as well as handles complaints against the casinos.

Ah, ok. Cheers bit777. I don't really have time to trawl through the site (I guess it's the one linked in the post) so are any of the ratings evidence based or is it all just inference and opinion?

[bit777]

To be honest, the way that you have Betcoin as A+ discredits you so much, that it is beyond me why are you still thinking anyone is taking you seriously. I once told you, if you want to become an authority, act as one.

Who takes him seriously, and why does he refer to himself in the third person? Is he someone I should know or care about?

Who and why...good questions. Should you... I don't really think so.

Well, thanks for taking the time to respond, but I was hoping for a slightly more specific answer to all three questions? Why does this guy think other people pay attention to him?

Perhaps I'm just showing off my short attention span here, but I don't recall the poster's name anywhere.

He runs a website that rates different bitcoin casinos, as well as handles complaints against the casinos.

Ah, ok. Cheers bit777. I don't really have time to trawl through the site (I guess it's the one linked in the post) so are any of the ratings evidence based or is it all just inference and opinion?

Inference and opinion

[aksplace]

I claim that the user can independently verify that we're not cheating him and offer a description of how to do it, and even link to third-party tools that do it for him.  Do you see any way Just-Dice can cheat its users given this?  If so, how specifically?

Yes, by giving the player a bad / pre-computed original seed.

that was being said from a friend to a friend so how can one eliminate this possibility to insure games are always provable safe? 

[mises]

Hey guys! I lost 1000$ on just-dice and some guy said it was rigged so I want my money back now! Zomg!


/s

Yeah OP doesn't have any real proof to back his statement.