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July 16, 2011, 09:49:12 AM
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as they say.. one picture worth a thousand words. And I have 6 pictures for you.

Edit: image removed, because copyright nazys bored the hell out of me  Angry  no offence to the copyright nazys, some points were indeed valid (ethical ones)

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Just because there are no consequences in this case, doesn't mean you should.

The above won the argument for Matt.

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July 16, 2011, 10:31:09 AM
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If you are going to infringe copyright, atleast post back to the original (I think):
http://www.bonkersworld.net/2011/06/27/organizational-charts/

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July 16, 2011, 10:35:05 AM
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I do not infringe copyright any more that a thousand of other places similar image is posted on. But should you want to go legal on this, I suggest you to talk to imageshack.us first.

However, if you are certain that the website you linked holds copyright on the image than thanks for your link. I also maintain that the image linked in my post is more accurate than the one in your link.



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July 16, 2011, 10:38:55 AM
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Hehe, fun.


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July 16, 2011, 10:58:24 AM
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I do not infringe copyright any more that a thousand of other places similar image is posted on. But should you want to go legal on this, I suggest you to talk to imageshack.us first.

However, if you are certain that the website you linked holds copyright on the image than thanks for your link. I also maintain that the image linked in my post is more accurate than the one in your link.
Seriously? I'm not trying to "go legal" on anyone, I was simply suggesting you give proper attribution to the original author.  Most sites which do have this image have a via link at the bottom which allows one to (theoretically) trace the content back to its source.  Additionally, if you are suggesting that because you did not upload the image to this forum but instead linked to it on imageshack.us copyright does not apply to this forum you are wrong.  That is true in some jurisdictions, but case law clearly indicates otherwise in the US (the only thing that matters here as the forum is hosted in the US) and most EU member-states.

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July 16, 2011, 11:14:19 AM
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Saw this on Reddit a week ago wtf..

I though it was Seen on bitcoin, then on reddit, then slashdot, then digg, then big media

you replaced FaceBook with Bitcoin wtf, first replace the image with bittorrent, then lable it bitcoin.

While I'm thinking about Bit-Torrent Bram Cohen (i think) was at Luke Nosek's (Paypal) B-day got into a discussion about something, Bitcoin or Diaspora (Ilya Zhitomirskiy was there) I forget now, the alcohol and pool got to me. But Bram's opinion was not well liked.

Set up the same thing..
http://bit.ly/btcrefs
Get more bitcoins.
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July 16, 2011, 11:29:01 AM
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UK is not a state of US and I am not subject to US laws, hence your point is moot.

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July 16, 2011, 11:33:40 AM
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Did not see this on reddit or elsewhere yet, thanks for posting it, enjoy the Bitcoin mix (and thanks for that bonkersworld link Matt, this comic strip is much better because of the remix lol)

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July 16, 2011, 11:33:56 AM
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UK is not a state of US and I am not subject to US laws, hence your point is moot.
Really? I didn't know that.  And apparently you didn't read my post, nor think.
The forum is hosted in the US, and thus forum rules state you must follow US laws.  Additionally, the UK is one of the many EU-member states who's case law clearly disagrees that linking != posting.  Thus your post is illegal both in the US AND the UK.

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July 16, 2011, 11:41:09 AM
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sue me

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Thus your post is illegal both in the US AND the UK.


This statement of yours clearly shows that you have no idea whatsoever what you are talking about. Be careful with throwing around allegations of someone being a criminal. It might be a costly thing to defend a defamation lawsuit. (Generally speaking, I will just ignore this)

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July 16, 2011, 11:42:57 AM
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So where do donations go to take the Bitcoin.org servers into space already, this is all bullshit.

Or just throw it on that crazy onion routin' system all the kids are down with.

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July 16, 2011, 11:50:46 AM
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sue me

I was simply pointing out that, though there might be some claim to fair use here, it really only makes sense to give credit where credit is due.  No point tempting copyright law, which courts tend to interpret in very different ways.  I can't claim to know UK law very well, but I do know there have been many cases where UK courts have interpreted the law there in such a way that forums or other sites which link to infringing material can and have been shut down.

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July 16, 2011, 11:54:51 AM
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So where do donations go to take the Bitcoin.org servers into space already, this is all bullshit.

Or just throw it on that crazy onion routin' system all the kids are down with.
The bitcoin forums having so much illegal content and discussions of illegal actions is not something that gets solved by moving the servers to a more lenient jurisdiction.  The consistent discussion of such things tends to give the bitcoin community as a whole a very bad image which only serves to keep new users from joining the community because they are put off by many people who turn the discussions into an ideological pissing match.

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July 16, 2011, 11:57:48 AM
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Too bad that this thread has disintegrated into fight of legal misconceptions. Thanks to you.

I appreciate your initial point, and that's why I thanked you to you for providing the link. If I knew who is the author I would provided a link myself.

However, there is huge difference between practice and what some people think about law. Thinking that this website will get shut-down over some linked image is naive to the extreme.


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July 16, 2011, 12:01:39 PM
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However, there is huge difference between practice and what some people think about law. Thinking that this website will get shut-down over some linked image is naive to the extreme.
Oh, I dont think at all that this website would get shutdown for something like that, no way.  However, that doesn't mean you should break the law.  Just because there are no consequences in this case, doesn't mean you should.

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July 16, 2011, 12:05:17 PM
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For all I know, this image is public domain, I'd be happy to correct my actions should the author of the image contact me and ask for that.

Are you author of the image? Do you have definitive information about it's licensing conditions?


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July 16, 2011, 12:11:29 PM
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If you are going to infringe copyright, atleast post back to the original (I think):
http://www.bonkersworld.net/2011/06/27/organizational-charts/

It was not claimed as his work, and fair-use rules allow reproduction of publically available image (just posting a link would not have been as useful).  Yes attribution might have been nice, but the post was unnecessary (ref the ensuing clutter in this thread, including this post).

btw - org charts and network diagrams with random labels would be hard to copywrite.
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July 16, 2011, 12:12:36 PM
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For all I know, this image is public domain, I'd be happy to correct my actions should the author of the image contact me and ask for that.
If you don't know the licensing status of an image, then you clearly don't have a license, which means you cannot legally post it.  If you don't have a license, then it is illegal to post, period.  When something is created, it is automatically copyright its original author, not automatically public domain.  Because you are doing a satire of the original image, you might have some claim to fair use, but that is always a questionable legal defense.

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July 16, 2011, 12:15:19 PM
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So where do donations go to take the forum.bitcoin.org servers into space already, this is all bullshit.
Here, corrected you.

And yeah please send it into space, deep space if possible Smiley

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July 16, 2011, 12:16:05 PM
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It was not claimed as his work, and fair-use rules allow reproduction of publically available image (just posting a link would not have been as useful). 
True, I'm not 100% sure that was the original, but best I can tell it is. Though the laws may be written that way, case law (at least in the US) clearly disagrees.  There have been numerous cases where pictures have been posted on one website or another and when they were reposted, the sites were sued and lost.

btw - org charts and network diagrams with random labels would be hard to copywrite.
This image isnt strictly an org chart.  It is clearly of humorous nature and is not designed to 100% reflect reality.  Thus it can be copyrighted.

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