Windows 8 and the nsa

[Nik1ab]

What do you think about that:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2ZMIMrrvWE

[zeta1]

It's a shame all those companies( including microsoft) gave the facilities to do this kind of things.

[Nik1ab]

Not that they just make shitty operating systems, they make spying shitty operating systems...

[pedrog]

Shiiiit!!!11

[Nikinger]

As long as you do Windows updates, Microsoft is capable to put a backdoor code in it. It also applies to previous Versions, say Windows 7 and Windows XP.

My concern is TPM (Trusted Computing Module).
As far as I got TPM, it seals the operating system like a tablet, modern TV, Xbox or an iPhone, taking away the control of your own computer. On a future sealed TPM PC, running arbitrary programs likely requires you to jailbreak your own PC!

Because sealed devices like iPhone getting more and more common today, the majority of the citizens increasely accepts the loss of control as long as the App market serves all the needs of the majority population.

[pedrog]

As long as you do Windows updates, Microsoft is capable to put a backdoor code in it. It also applies to previous Versions, say Windows 7 and Windows XP.

My concern is TPM (Trusted Computing Module).
As far as I got TPM, it seals the operating system like a tablet, modern TV, Xbox or an iPhone, taking away the control of your own computer. On a future sealed TPM PC, running arbitrary programs likely requires you to jailbreak your own PC!

Because sealed devices like iPhone getting more and more common today, the majority of the citizens increasely accepts the loss of control as long as the App market serves all the needs of the majority population.

Well, every day I'm gladder I don't use Windows.

Cory Doctorow has a great talk about this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbYXBJOFgeI

[Spendulus]

What do you think about that:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2ZMIMrrvWE

What I think about Windows - and it does not matter 7 or 8 or XP - has became apparent as I have several systems that only get turned on once a week or so for different purposes. 

The amount of 'updating' that the systems do for the primary Windows system and the 'desired or required' subcomponents (java, flash, adobe) is absolutely insane.

When a system does this there is no reason to discuss anything further. 

I do not have this problem on os x or on my linux systems, and they are not optimized for security...

[MAbtc]

Good old Microsoft. 

[grue]

What do you think about that:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2ZMIMrrvWE

what do you think about giving a concise summary of the video?

[Nikinger]

Well, every day I'm gladder I don't use Windows.

TPM would work with *nix too (including Apple*OS*) because it's implemented directly in hardware. As long as TPM is enabled, you are giving up the full control of your own computer regardless which OS you use.

As soon as TPM sealed&secured devices gets widely adapted (because no one cares as long as it just works), you will be increasely run into compatibility problems if you don't downgrade (for the most peoples, it's a upgrade).

Windows 8's TPM feature is just another step to slowly adapt TPM widely on the home PC (as I said, almost nobody cares because many devices like tablets, iOS and Xbox are already sealed).

[Nik1ab]

Well, every day I'm gladder I don't use Windows.

TPM would work with *nix too (including Apple*OS*) because it's implemented directly in hardware. As long as TPM is enabled, you are giving up the full control of your own computer regardless which OS you use.

As soon as TPM sealed&secured devices gets widely adapted (because no one cares as long as it just works), you will be increasely run into compatibility problems if you don't downgrade (for the most peoples, it's a upgrade).

Windows 8's TPM feature is just another step to slowly adapt TPM widely on the home PC (as I said, almost nobody cares because many devices like tablets, iOS and Xbox are already sealed).

I hate this world...

[lophie]

I hate this world...

Come on this is the same world with open source, Bitcoin and vocaloid! Lets make it better and get rid of the shit polluting it instead of giving up on it 

I got a new laptop that had windows 8 and secureboot. I deleted it and disabled secureboot on the first boot. No, No and another no for all that shit.

[Nik1ab]

I hate this world...

Come on this is the same world with open source, Bitcoin and vocaloid! Lets make it better and get rid of the shit polluting it instead of giving up on it 

I got a new laptop that had windows 8 and secureboot. I deleted it and disabled secureboot on the first boot. No, No and another no for all that shit.

And how are we going to kick the NSA's ass?

[lophie]

I hate this world...

Come on this is the same world with open source, Bitcoin and vocaloid! Lets make it better and get rid of the shit polluting it instead of giving up on it 

I got a new laptop that had windows 8 and secureboot. I deleted it and disabled secureboot on the first boot. No, No and another no for all that shit.

And how are we going to kick the NSA's ass?

Squeeze them dry by breaking the current financial systems. Hashes to hashes, fiat to dust. Support wikileaks, etc.

[Nik1ab]

Nice idea, but that's what I'm already doing 

[Spendulus]

I hate this world...

Come on this is the same world with open source, Bitcoin and vocaloid! Lets make it better and get rid of the shit polluting it instead of giving up on it 

I got a new laptop that had windows 8 and secureboot. I deleted it and disabled secureboot on the first boot. No, No and another no for all that shit.

And how are we going to kick the NSA's ass?

Run a variety of virtual os systems.

Vmware, virtual box.

Under various common operating systems.

Run some thing directly from a secure thumbdrive.