overwhelming consensus excludes Lauda, remains in DT2, went in2 buz w sold act

[Lauda]

This constant war you’ve been trying to wage on me for nearly two years now...

Maybe you should take a look in the mirror with the following statement as the above is a vigorous lie.

See, you’re so delusional.  Obviously nobody should be valuing your opinion.  

You'd need to do a bit more than grill some dogs to be worthy of a "two year war".

Your advertisers (Gunbot anyone)

You mean how I became the second in command (arguably first [1]) for Gunbot? Sounds right.

-snip-

The rest are just either blatant misinterpretations or lies ("hurting for income"?) about the past. The people reading this don't even know what you're talking about, and those that do have been excluded from the trust system.

When you gave me reason after reason to leave you negative trust, I always gave you the benefit of the doubt.

You absolutely have no valid reason to leave such a rating. Now we see the true intentions here. Playing the victim and setting up the play field for a false negative rating. Make it less obvious, will you? I'd expect theymos to easily see through these recent events and the actual intent behind them.
Now, back to the recent events.
The DT2 active members were lacking in number anyways, but were somewhat properly distributed in *protecting* several sections of the forum. The only remaining active user for Scam Accusations/Reputation and other shady action (sales, farming, abuse) is actmyname and there are a few that occasionally act (Vod, ibminer && similar). cryptodevil and suchmoon were/are active in the Altcoin section (and a few others). All three of them are 1 exclusion away from being kicked.
If TC follows OgNasty's exclusion (again), then the only remaining section with *some protection* would the Lending section where Vod is very active (and wherever actmyname *roams* assuming he doesn't get excluded for [insertInvalidRandomReason]).

We've almost reached the Utopia for scammers. Keep up the marvelous work. I'm sure the trio will be thanked by many legitimate shady members.
[1] Depending on how you view a feline-to-human marriage, I am arguably first in command.

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[Quickseller]

(Lauda has many good ratings, but also several that seem too trigger-happy),

I think this nails it right on the head. When a lot (or several) people have negative trust when they are in no way reasonably a scammer they will often be effectively excluded from the community, and will face difficulty conducting business. This problem is exaggerated when lauda refuses to have any kind of public discussion about his ratings when they are disputed.

In the past, members were removed from the default trust network after a single inaccurate rating.

[Lauda]

This problem is exaggerated when lauda refuses to have any kind of public discussion about his ratings when they are disputed.

This is, obviously, a blatant lie. You’re so delusional.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I like your logic. The fact that TC excluded you is clearly evidence that OgN and myself are in cahoots. /s

You and TC were close around your escrow debarcle. TC has essentially copied Og's excludes. Og left you positive feedback very close to when this all went down. You've been a Nasty Fan for a while prior to this. All of the people excluded are people that have talked ill of Og or Nastyfans.

Of course none of this is proof, but there are a fair few coincidences.

I never spoke ill of OgNasty or Tomatocage.  However, I have stated that Quackseller is a troll and a scammer, which I firmly believe.   So Og and Tomatocage excluding me from their lists?  Hmmm.

[Quickseller]

This problem is exaggerated when lauda refuses to have any kind of public discussion about his ratings when they are disputed.

This is, obviously, a blatant lie. You’re so delusional.

Why don’t you give one example of a public serious conversation about one of your trust ratings from the past month?

[Lauda]

Why don’t you give one example of a public serious conversation about one of your trust ratings from the past month?

There wasn't a single serious complaint, thus a serious conversation couldn't have occurred.

I never spoke ill of OgNasty or Tomatocage.  However, I have stated that Quackseller is a troll and a scammer, which I firmly believe.   So Og and Tomatocage excluding me from their lists?  Hmmm.

You said it yourself, you've fixed most of the ratings that theymos didn't agree with (or type of rating). That leaves the following options:
a) You often agree with me (and/or have me in your trust list).
b) The account traders/farmers and other type of stuff you leave negatives for.
I'll let you take a guess. 50% chance you're right.

[Pancheng]

People what's happening here?!
People hated by people because they are just doing their tasks, gat red mark on the way because of some mistake, seriously?  Everything can be fixed by proper negotiation not debating right? Oh come, we are all grown up here, if someone was remove by their position by some people giving him red marks, and new person will be placed on the position, then some group just may repeat the process......

[Lauda]

People what's happening here?!

Three words: The scammers' vindication.

[OgNasty]

The rest are just either blatant misinterpretations or lies

Which part is not true?

The sad part is that I’ve been trying to help you throughout this.  When BG4 left you negative trust and ruined your rating, I stepped in to work it out and restore your trust.  When you were kicked out of the slack group I begged them to let you back in.  When you were hurting for income I gave you the idea for ACE.  When you didn’t understand how NastyFans worked, I gave you a free seat out of my pocket.  When you gave me reason after reason to leave you negative trust, I always gave you the benefit of the doubt.  Yet with each olive branch I get thorns back.

Seems all of it is 100% true.  Which part of my repeated attempts to help you do you dispute?

You absolutely have no valid reason to leave such a rating.

Lauda, you attempted to extort someone going as far in your desperation to try and dig up some dirt that you signed a message documenting your extortion.  You belong in jail.  

I never spoke ill of OgNasty or Tomatocage.  However, I have stated that Quackseller is a troll and a scammer, which I firmly believe.   So Og and Tomatocage excluding me from their lists?  Hmmm.

Against newbies?  You really are a fucking idiot.

Not only did you discuss with me twice now about why you were excluded, I even provided the link to refresh your memory yesterday.  Is it really that hard to believe that people feel you guys are acting inappropriately and damaging the community by chasing away users with your crusade against newbies?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2881533.msg30244238#msg30244238

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Against newbies?  You really are a fucking idiot.

[Quickseller]

Why don’t you give one example of a public serious conversation about one of your trust ratings from the past month?

There wasn't a single serious complaint, thus a serious conversation couldn't have occurred.

I think this statement proves my point pretty well.

I would like to hear both blazed and hilariousandco say they condone this kind of attitude and behavior because that is what they are doing by keeping lauda on their trust lists.

[Lauda]

Which part is not true?
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Seems all of it is 100% true.  Which part of my repeated attempts to help you do you dispute?

Let's see.

When BG4 left you negative trust and ruined your rating, I stepped in to work it out and restore your trust.  

Lie. At the time BG4 was not anywhere near DT2 while I was. My rating ruined his reputation while his rating was just burred among other untrusted negative ratings that I've received.

When you were kicked out of the slack group I begged them to let you back in.  

Um, alright? While I do not know about which time you are exactly talking about (several quits/kicks/whatever), nobody asked you to do this nor did you do me a favor by doing this.

When you were hurting for income I gave you the idea for ACE.  

Lie. I was never hurting for income. While it is in fact true that the original idea spun out of a discussion, it's much more than what the original described.

When you didn’t understand how NastyFans worked, I gave you a free seat out of my pocket.  

Relevance? Could have sent me something more useful if you actually wanted to help.

-snip-  You belong in jail.

Yawn, that was very predictable. Since you are digging in my past, how about we dig into yours? Don't be a hypocrite, either apply the same principle to yourself or don't apply it to me either.

Against newbies?  You really are a fucking idiot.

You were silenced by the exclusion[1], thus the only thing left is to receive a negative. Watch out.

Why don’t you give one example of a public serious conversation about one of your trust ratings from the past month?

There wasn't a single serious complaint, thus a serious conversation couldn't have occurred.

I think this statement proves my point pretty well.

Again, you are very delusional. It proves the exact opposite. Two examples that visualize this correctly: A busted account trader making a complaint is not a serious conversation. Ibminer making a complaint is a serious conversation.
You making a complaint -> we need to call a rodent exterminator. Vod making a complaint -> serious conversation. Get it now?
[1] #ThrowBack: Quickseller complaining about silencing via the usage of the trust system (2016 or 2017; not sure anymore). Quickseller does not complain about this now as it fits his narrative and is done by others.

[OgNasty]

Lie. At the time BG4 was not anywhere near DT2 while I was. My rating ruined his reputation while his rating was just burred among other untrusted negative ratings that I've received.

You saying something doesn't make it true.  If you didn't see him as DT2 at the time, it's because your trust list is messed up.  He was in fact DT2 at the time, and I did save your negative default rating at the time. 

When you were kicked out of the slack group I begged them to let you back in.  

Um, alright? While I do not know about which time you are exactly talking about (several quits/kicks/whatever), nobody asked you to do this nor did you do me a favor by doing this.

Agreed, you did get kicked out and rage quit several times.  I'm referring to one of the times you were kicked out.  I also agree that nobody asked me to do this.  I did it because I'm a nice person and didn't want you to feel excluded from a chatroom.

When you were hurting for income I gave you the idea for ACE.  

Lie. I was never hurting for income.

Relevance? Could have sent me something more useful if you actually wanted to help.

What better thing could I have given you to understand how NastyFans works than a free seat so you get access to the system?  Maybe by help you meant with your financial situation?  I imagine your claims and actions will become more and more desperate as time passes, so I'm glad to see that tomatocage has been watching and is staying in front of it.

-snip-  You belong in jail.

Yawn, that was very predictable. Since you are digging in my past, how about we dig into yours? Don't be a hypocrite, either apply the same principle to yourself or don't apply it to me either.

Very predictable indeed.  You tried to extort someone.  I'm surprised you weren't banned to be honest.

[Lauda]

You saying something doesn't make it true.  If you didn't see him as DT2 at the time, it's because your trust list is messed up.  He was in fact DT2 at the time, and I did save your negative default rating at the time.  

Wrong. BG4 was not DT2 then, the same way that he isn't now. Wouldn't be surprised if you quickly added him to make it seem that I'm wrong.

... rage quit several times..

Wrong. Quitting =/= rage quitting.

I did it because I'm a nice person and didn't want you to feel excluded from a chatroom.

You saying something doesn't make it true. Nobody in their right mind would believe that.

What better thing could I have given you to understand how NastyFans works than a free seat so you get access to the system?  

When did say I want to understand the *underlying workings* of your whatever system? It has not contributed to Bitcoin in any way, thus is uninteresting.

Maybe by help you meant with your financial situation?  I imagine your claims and actions will become more and more desperate as time passes, so I'm glad to see that tomatocage has been watching and is staying in front of it.

Another false insinuation. Assuming the picture that someone posted (somewhere around here) of that little hut shack is real, you're the one who needs help with their financial situation. You're staring to resemble Quickseller in writing.

Very predictable indeed.  You tried to extort someone.  I'm surprised you weren't banned to be honest.

Nope. Maybe it is time to look at some court documents. Quite sad, although it fits the personality.
There we go:

You absolutely have no valid reason to leave such a rating. Now we see the true intentions here. Playing the victim and setting up the play field for a false negative rating. Make it less obvious, will you? I'd expect theymos to easily see through these recent events and the actual intent behind them.

The petty collusion of d. abusers. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[minifrij]

You saying something doesn't make it true.  If you didn't see him as DT2 at the time, it's because your trust list is messed up.  He was in fact DT2 at the time, and I did save your negative default rating at the time. 

No, I don't believe he was. I don't remember BG4 ever being part of DT2.

I'm surprised you weren't banned to be honest.

That's just your slow learning when it comes to the forum talking.

[OgNasty]

Assuming the picture that someone posted (somewhere around here) of that little hut shack is real, you're the one who needs help with their financial situation.

Here's a video of my "shack" for your viewing pleasure.  Tell me again why your opinion has value?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKisxNn1ueQ

It may not be perfect, but it is paid off and I'm quite happy with it.

[Lauda]

Assuming the picture that someone posted (somewhere around here) of that little hut shack is real, you're the one who needs help with their financial situation. You're staring to resemble Quickseller in writing.

Here's a video of my "shack" for your viewing pleasure.  Tell me again why your opinion has value?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKisxNn1ueQ

So the picture was from the right house; indeed a shack. Poor thing; where she ran from.
The lies were easily debunked though.

[Steamtyme]

I like your logic. The fact that TC excluded you is clearly evidence that OgN and myself are in cahoots. /s

You and TC were close around your escrow debarcle. TC has essentially copied Og's excludes. Og left you positive feedback very close to when this all went down. You've been a Nasty Fan for a while prior to this. All of the people excluded are people that have talked ill of Og or Nastyfans.

Of course none of this is proof, but there are a fair few coincidences.

I never spoke ill of OgNasty or Tomatocage.  However, I have stated that Quackseller is a troll and a scammer, which I firmly believe.   So Og and Tomatocage excluding me from their lists?  Hmmm.

I don't really follow meta or the inner workings of the forum;  but a telegram group had a few people applauding all these DT members being busted down.

Honestly sorry to see some of you go, like with any system there were people who might have been caught in the crossfire; but for the most part I think you had nailed it.
I didn't really have nay dealings with most DT members but do still look through all trust left to someone before making a trade, your ratings just had more merit before I decided on how to proceed.

@Pharmacist I don't necessarily agree with the wording of some of your neg trust, as some came off as racist, you were not in a position of power at the time and I did notice a change in tone after that. I also noticed you giving people the option to appeal after a few weeks to show they could be of value to the community with their posts.


For me trust only came into play for trading; for most of the people bitching about being negged it had to do with sig campaigns, because they wanted to come here contribute very little and earn an income.

Either way as is apparent in this thread there is way more history here than I've been around for; and it shows that the system wasn't and still isn't (merit system is far from perfect) ready for the huge increase in activity this forum has received from the recent boom in Crypto.

Long story short I hope you all still continue to leave people trust accordingly because some of us actually review the entire feedback left section and not just the rating under their profile.

[JayJuanGee]

if someone not trusting you anymore and excluding you from their trust list does not that mean their opinion for you is negative?

if so why none of them negged after kicked out?

There is nuance, no?

Seems that getting kicked off of trust is not the same as negative.  Sure you can do both, but if a regular hammer works to pound in a small nail, it seems to be a bit overkill, and perhaps unnecessary to use a sledgehammer to attempt to accomplish the same.

Another example.  Let's hypothesize that we had a demerit system that supplements our current merit system.  There would be three levels that are each different. I could consider that you post deserves merit or I could refrain from giving merit or I could give a hypothetical demerit.  Just because I chose to not merit such post does not necessarily mean that it rises to the level of justifying employment of a demerit.  Probably not the best examples, but I attempted to answer your suggestion that removal from DT would necessarily rise to the level of negative trust.

[JayJuanGee]

[1] Depending on how you view a feline-to-human marriage, I am arguably first in command.

I agree with everything you say Lauda, except your trust in cats.

Seems to me that dogs are much safer because if a cat has a opportunity, it is going to eat you.    If trained properly, a dog will just be sad.  You cannot train a cat not to eat you.