overwhelming consensus excludes Lauda, remains in DT2, went in2 buz w sold act

[Lauda]

Long story short I hope you all still continue to leave people trust accordingly because some of us actually review the entire feedback left section and not just the rating under their profile.

I very much doubt that people are going to accept their efforts being wasted. Most DT members abandoned ship partially due to this. The majority of users do not view untrusted feedback.

[1] Depending on how you view a feline-to-human marriage, I am arguably first in command.

I agree with everything you say Lauda, except your trust in cats.  D

Why should I not trust my own kind?

Seems to me that dogs are much safer because if a cat has a opportunity, it is going to eat you.      If trained properly, a dog will just be sad.  You cannot train a cat not to eat you. 

* Lauda prepares a jedi cat attack on your dogs.

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[Steamtyme]

Long story short I hope you all still continue to leave people trust accordingly because some of us actually review the entire feedback left section and not just the rating under their profile.

I very much doubt that people are going to accept their efforts being wasted. Most DT members abandoned ship partially due to this. The majority of users do not view untrusted feedback.

I hear yah, and  I can't blame anyone for not wanting to comb the site for little thanks or any.

In my mind untrusted feedback is no different than reading reviews online some are spam/fake/and accurate, that just comes down to due diligence and whether or not people want to put in the effort. It is more time consuming but between that and doing a review of their past posts it's a good way to see what their game is.

Either way, thanks to all who have tried to keep things safe and tidy.

[Lauda]

I hear yah, and  I can't blame anyone for not wanting to comb the site for little thanks or any.

In my mind untrusted feedback is no different than reading reviews online some are spam/fake/and accurate, that just comes down to due diligence and whether or not people want to put in the effort. It is more time consuming but between that and doing a review of their past posts it's a good way to see what their game is.

This is probably a snippet that you might want to read (or re-read):

The DT2 active members were lacking in number anyways, but were somewhat properly distributed in *protecting* several sections of the forum. The only remaining active user for Scam Accusations/Reputation and other shady action (sales, farming, abuse) is actmyname and there are a few that occasionally act (Vod, ibminer && similar). cryptodevil and suchmoon were/are active in the Altcoin section (and a few others). All three of them are 1 exclusion away from being kicked.
If TC follows OgNasty's exclusion (again), then the only remaining section with *some protection* would the Lending section where Vod is very active (and wherever actmyname *roams* assuming he doesn't get excluded for [insertInvalidRandomReason]).

We've almost reached the Utopia for scammers. Keep up the marvelous work. I'm sure the trio will be thanked by many legitimate shady members.

For a more saner, and safer approach you can use this as your starting trust list.

Either way, thanks to all who have tried to keep things safe and tidy.

You are welcome; we tried.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Lauda, I think your trust list is a good suggestion, and not just because I'm on it.  Perhaps you should start a new thread to get the attention of more viewers.   Just a suggestion, but I think it'd be a good idea.  There are too many problems with the current DT setup--that's become glaringly apparent as of late and I know there are a lot of people here who support kind of the same views as the members in your list who might not necessarily have noticed it.

[Lauda]

Lauda, I think your trust list is a good suggestion, and not just because I'm on it.  Perhaps you should start a new thread to get the attention of more viewers.   Just a suggestion, but I think it'd be a good idea.  

Sounds like a good idea for the Reputation section, in addition to listing a small tl;dr for each inclusion/exclusion. If the system doesn't work for its users[1], the it is best for the users to work around the system.

There are too many problems with the current DT setup--that's become glaringly apparent as of late and I know there are a lot of people here who support kind of the same views as the members in your list who might not necessarily have noticed it.

I complained about some things and some people ages ago. In a way, I knew what was going on and what was going to happen. Now it should be obvious to most people who didn't want to believe for whatever reason.
Why does this remind me of quite a few governments nowadays.

[shield132]

I amn't going to read all those silly posts....
But what I want to say is that this man tagged a lot of people for reasons, hope someone will "copy" lauda's sent trusts.
Btw why is QuickSeller so happy? I understand you may hate someone but is that hate so much? This man is like a hungry hunter. Nothing personal against you QS but situation between Lauda and you is somehow curious.
QS become the Mr Valentin for Lauda today
Well, Lauda deserves DT for hunting on spammers. At least if anyone remembers bad from this person, don't forget his good actions too.

[Deena]

I don't have an opinion on this particular issue (Lauda has many good ratings, but also several that seem too trigger-happy), but I have been getting very annoyed about how centralized the trust system is. The reason that I made it a complicated trust network instead of a centralized list/database is so that it'd be decentralized and subjective.

I've been seriously thinking about reopening the idea of enforcing user-defined trust lists via suggestions, etc., deprecating DefaultTrust.

I'm happy that at least Lauda's trigger-happiness was noticed. Many honest forum members suffered from it. Equally happy I am that the centralization of the trust system was noticed too. When power is centralized it needs to be objective, and when power is subjective it must be decentralized (through there are some philosophical problem with which I'm not going to burden the cryptocommunity).

I'm sure that today feels like D-day for many normal, fair Bitcointalk members who fell victim to Lauda's abuse. The gang is plotting already, but for now it feels like spring has arrived.

[Lauda]

Many dishonest forum members suffered from it.

FTFY.

The goal of the cartel interested only in their self-gain has is within reach. Almost a scammers' Utopia.

[Deena]

Many dishonest forum members suffered from it.

FTFY.

Disquoting is a form of dishonesty also. Falseness really comes natural to you, doesn't it?

That said; both are true. You tagged many dishonest and honest members. The latter is what makes you false.

[Lauda]

Disquoting is a form of dishonesty also. Falseness really comes natural to you, doesn't it?

No. There's a reason why it's FTFY. Would be fun if you were Quickscammer though.

That said; both are true. You tagged many dishonest and honest members. The latter is what makes you false.

Nope. I tagged next to zero honest members that didn't deserve tagging. The ol' repeat the lie hoping it spreads smear tactic. Classic.

[Quickseller]

Updated OP with quote from Lauda and asking if hilariousandco and blazed agree with Lauda's attitude in this quote:

Why don’t you give one example of a public serious conversation about one of your trust ratings from the past month?

There wasn't a single serious complaint, thus a serious conversation couldn't have occurred.

I think this statement proves my point pretty well.

I would like to hear both blazed and hilariousandco say they condone this kind of attitude and behavior because that is what they are doing by keeping lauda on their trust lists.

[Lauda]

Updated OP with quote from Lauda and asking if hilariousandco and blazed agree with Lauda's attitude in this quote:

The pest continues with the smear tactics. This is the full quote:

Why don’t you give one example of a public serious conversation about one of your trust ratings from the past month?

There wasn't a single serious complaint, thus a serious conversation couldn't have occurred.

I think this statement proves my point pretty well.

Again, you are very delusional. It proves the exact opposite. Two examples that visualize this correctly: A busted account trader making a complaint is not a serious conversation. Ibminer making a complaint is a serious conversation.
You making a complaint -> we need to call a rodent exterminator. Vod making a complaint -> serious conversation. Get it now?

I have consolidated two ratings and retagged you. I just need to rewrite it and start with "Impossible for me to look the other way on Quickseller's behavior any longer.". Give me some time.

[otrkid70]

I don't have an opinion on this particular issue (Lauda has many good ratings, but also several that seem too trigger-happy), but I have been getting very annoyed about how centralized the trust system is. The reason that I made it a complicated trust network instead of a centralized list/database is so that it'd be decentralized and subjective.

I've been seriously thinking about reopening the idea of enforcing user-defined trust lists via suggestions, etc., deprecating DefaultTrust.

I'm happy that at least Lauda's trigger-happiness was noticed. Many honest forum members suffered from it. Equally happy I am that the centralization of the trust system was noticed too. When power is centralized it needs to be objective, and when power is subjective it must be decentralized (through there are some philosophical problem with which I'm not going to burden the cryptocommunity).

I'm sure that today feels like D-day for many normal, fair Bitcointalk members who fell victim to Lauda's abuse. The gang is plotting already, but for now it feels like spring has arrived.

I love this fucking Quote!

I think more DT users are going to get demoted soon. 

[Lauda]

I love this fucking Quote!

You love the idea of this, is what you're saying.

Almost a scammers' Utopia.

I think more DT users are going to get demoted soon. 

Nobody with 1 inclusion from DT2 can really stand up without being afraid of consequences as of right now. The collusion is clear, and you can get yanked for just disagreeing with one of the two three publicly.

[otrkid70]

I love this fucking Quote!

You love the idea of this, is what you're saying.

Almost a scammers' Utopia.

I think more DT users are going to get demoted soon. 

Nobody with 1 inclusion from DT2 can really stand up without being afraid of consequences as of right now. The collusion is clear, and you can get yanked for just disagreeing with one of the two three publicly.

The abuse of the DT list is just disgusting and i see it's being cleaned up. theymos needs to clean house with the DT users and leave only those who have proven their worth.  Everyone else should go.

It has become the wild west with the BS and red paint......Everyone gets red paint no matter what they do....Insults,Scamming,Spam,bad english and even not following a self moderated fucking auction rule.
It was meant for trading/selling/buying purposes but everyone who gets that GREEN gets the adrenaline rush of being an abusive asshole.

Gross incompetence across the board....Clean house theymos.

[Vod]

DT has become less relevant now that the merit system has been introduced.

[Lauda]

The abuse of the DT list is just disgusting and i see it's being cleaned up. theymos needs to clean house with the DT users and leave only those who have proven their worth.  Everyone else should go.
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Just because you fundamentally misunderstand the system, that doesn't mean that it is being abused in any way. Nothing is being cleaned up. The copy-cat exclusion move essentially destroyed eliminated most of the remaining credibility of the system. Another copy-cat move would completely destroy it, which is the ulterior agenda.

It was meant for trading/selling/buying purposes but everyone who gets that GREEN gets the adrenaline rush of being an abusive asshole.

Again, nope. You are not even active here, what are you complaining about?

DT has become less relevant now that the merit system has been introduced.

Disagreed. The latter is also a giant mess being gamed, partially by the same people in this thread.

[otrkid70]

The abuse of the DT list is just disgusting and i see it's being cleaned up. theymos needs to clean house with the DT users and leave only those who have proven their worth.  Everyone else should go.
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Just because you fundamentally misunderstand the system, that doesn't mean that it is being abused in any way. Nothing is being cleaned up. The copy-cat exclusion move essentially destroyed eliminated most of the remaining credibility of the system. Another copy-cat move would completely destroy it, which is the ulterior agenda.

It was meant for trading/selling/buying purposes but everyone who gets that GREEN gets the adrenaline rush of being an abusive asshole.

Again, nope. You are not even active here, what are you complaining about?

DT has become less relevant now that the merit system has been introduced.

Disagreed. The latter is also a giant mess being gamed, partially by the same people in this thread.

I understand it and use it for what it was meant to be used for Trading/selling.  
You were removed from the list so yes...it is being cleaned up.
I would be more active here if there wasn't so much BS.  I loved this forum
I can name a bunch who should be removed but i'm not going to start a battle.

[otrkid70]

DT has become less relevant now that the merit system has been introduced.

You referring to the red paint associated to shit posters/spammers/bad English posts?

[Lauda]

You were removed from the list so yes...it is being cleaned up.

No, it is not. My ratings have >= 99% accuracy, probably. The issues lie elsewhere; the fact that you don't recognize this just shows how unfamiliar you are from the (current) forum.

I would be more active here if there wasn't so much BS.  I loved this forum

If you consider "more scams = less BS", then that fits OP's agenda perfectly.

I can name a bunch who should be removed but i'm not going to start a battle.

Either speak or don't. Insinuating stuff doesn't make you look good.