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February 17, 2018, 01:58:24 PM
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Of all the large companies that are now large internet players, do anyone particularly scare you in terms of how you data and track could be used? Amazon, Facebook, Twitter, …?

We all know that facebook the main useable of all people entire the world so I think the banks usually use Facebook since they know that people becomes aware if they share something.

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February 17, 2018, 02:00:51 PM
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Even this internet companies know everything I don't think you have fear this things don't do anything but those people who take advantage of our technology  its not what things might do to you we person created this and we have the responsibility if what is the fruit of our doing s
To be a big corporation in the world certainly companies must have a lot of tricks to be able to grow the company fastest. I have learned and know that there are many tricks that big companies have used to compete with each other. The market is no different from the battlefield.

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February 17, 2018, 02:18:13 PM
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Of all the large companies that are now large internet players, do anyone particularly scare you in terms of how you data and track could be used? Amazon, Facebook, Twitter, …?


Here are some examples for the popular and mighty companies that have the complete track of our profiles:

GOOGLE - Everything that you have ever searched for is saved deeply in the google storages even if you had deleted your history. You age and gender are visible to the google even if you had not told them that because of their comprehensive ads profile of you. If you have the android phone Google will know where you had traveled ( Interesting thing is that your phone also knows how fast you were traveling on your trips - it is good that they dont share that data with the police - yet Wink)

YOUTUBE - They know what kind of videos you have been watching ( be aware of what you are typing in your search field)

FACEBOOK - I dont have to tell you how mighty this company is. Even if you delete your profile all of your data still remains there and if you ever decide to go to Facebook again all the data will magically appear there.

APPLE - Siri is storing every information you had ever asked her ( It would be better that you dont ask her about some strange and criminal things). You never know how will your data be processed later in this time in which our privacy is ruined

AMAZON - They are collecting data about your reading habbits ( hmm, interesting)

Every of this companies is scary in some kind of way because you never know how will your "private" data be used later. If you have strange habits think before you act and remember that every information that you are giving over the network will be stored there and you never know when someone will dig it and use it against you.


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February 17, 2018, 02:31:37 PM
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Amazon has a service called Amazon Key, which basically is a system that opens the doors for an in-home delivery of packages. Aside from malicious intent of the delivery guy, it's a system that will likely get bypassed at some point, and the tool needed for that will then be sold to everyone interested, mostly thieves. Not in a hundred years will I allow that stuff to be installed in my house. I rather keep picking up packages at the local postal office than 'enjoying' a bit of convenience that might turn out to be nothing but a problem. In most cases people make fun of their grand parents for not being techie, or not having a smartphone and computer, but with everything that's going on, they are the only people with actual privacy. So who's laughing now? Wink

This remind me of a somewhat funny incident that happened three years ago.
I was away on a trip and my (at that time girlfriend) went to a party, then she spent a few more hours with one of her colleagues and her husband.When returning home....no keys. It was 3 AM, she didn't have anyone to call to sleep over, her friends probably turned their phones on silent, no money for a hotel, so at 4 in the morning I was paying online for her hotel room, 100 meters from our home Smiley))).

If we had this Amazon Key things would have been far easier.
But, without it I can still make fun of her every time we arrive late home.

But speaking about AKey if you buy this system just for deliveries why not buy one parcel delivery box and bolt id down on the veranda?
We have one like that in our apartment complex and we had no problems....yet.


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February 17, 2018, 08:09:59 PM
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I feel like the best time to make this topic was 10 years ago when people still discussed such things openly without fear. Around 7 years ago, Julian Assange and wikileaks came out with a "if you own a blackberry or iphone: you're screwed" news headline where he claimed he had data proving that there were mass surveillance devices being sold to monitor internet, cell phone and PDA usage of common, everyday, folk.

Link: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/12/01/julian_assange_surveillance/

The private sector has fought surveillance to a degree. You have apple who refused to weaken encryption to help state surveillance programs. There are others in the private sector who fund news and media which publishes objective and accurate data at times to help issues like wealth and wage inequality which could threaten economic stability.

I think if you're looking for frightening surveillance programs, they tend to be more state oriented than in the private sector.

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February 17, 2018, 08:24:54 PM
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I feel like the best time to make this topic was 10 years ago when people still discussed such things openly without fear. Around 7 years ago, Julian Assange and wikileaks came out with a "if you own a blackberry or iphone: you're screwed" news headline where he claimed he had data proving that there were mass surveillance devices being sold to monitor internet, cell phone and PDA usage of common, everyday, folk.

Link: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/12/01/julian_assange_surveillance/

The private sector has fought surveillance to a degree. You have apple who refused to weaken encryption to help state surveillance programs. There are others in the private sector who fund news and media which publishes objective and accurate data at times to help issues like wealth and wage inequality which could threaten economic stability.

I think if you're looking for frightening surveillance programs, they tend to be more state oriented than in the private sector.
I quite remember that during the Obama tenure, there was a leak that the USA were spying on Angela Merkel the German Chancellor but in recent times if Facebook alone has been able to influence the elections through fake news then its the most scary corporation currently.

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February 17, 2018, 08:32:58 PM
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The Internet knows where your cat lives. Using the hidden meta-data about the geographic location of where the photo was taken which we share when we publish photos of our cats on sites like Instagram and other social media networks.
Does putting a fake address counts? There are some other devices that can change their location if they want to. I know google would ask your location and i guess it already know your location already by sending you a ping to know your IP, so does facebook. I just want to know if this really works on google or facebook.

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February 17, 2018, 08:51:02 PM
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I think Facebook is the most evidently intrusive. They monitor all of your online activity pretty much and then shape your thoughts and such with targeted advertising.

If you're that easy to manipulate and a few ads can shape your "thoughts" even billboards are dangerous for you.
The problem might not be the website, but the user behind monitor.


You're implying in this that I'm incapable of speaking for the majority of the public instead of myself. And also that all statements are absolute, your thoughts could be influenced but not completely.

You must have heard about this article right where facebook was doing experiments on manipulating emotions. We have to accept the fact that not everybody in the world has the same level of smarts and common sense. Their are a lot of emotionally unstable, emotional fools out there. That doesn't mean that the intrusion by ad companies is answerable by the individual himself.

Also we must accept that there are a lot of easy to manipulate morons who will make the wrong choices.
Hitler was voted by 30% of the Germans, and Stalin would have won fair and square every election.
And this was way before Trump and whatever happened there.


I wouldn't even necessarily say that 'idiots' is a fair judgment. It's not that they are incapable of making good decisions for themselves it's just that they either fear doing it or are too lazy to do it. They accept the information that is most readily spoon fed to them by the world.

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February 17, 2018, 09:11:13 PM
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wow i just thingking the internet are realy scary and all of those big companies have our data
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February 17, 2018, 10:42:44 PM
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Today, we use a lot of social networks, typically Facebook, which collects most of the user's personal information such as location, interests, friendships, even the need to show ads. I remember once I talked to my friends about a product, then visited Facebook and saw ads about that product, did Facebook use the right to use the microphone to hear my talk?   Huh Huh Huh

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February 17, 2018, 10:47:00 PM
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I think along with google, facebook and the usual suspects I think Coinbase can't be too far behind, they are dominating their market right now.
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February 17, 2018, 11:18:00 PM
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Today, we use a lot of social networks, typically Facebook, which collects most of the user's personal information such as location, interests, friendships, even the need to show ads. I remember once I talked to my friends about a product, then visited Facebook and saw ads about that product, did Facebook use the right to use the microphone to hear my talk?   Huh Huh Huh

Lol, are they already doing this? I wouldn't doubt about it, but are you sure you didn't search for this product on the internet? Maybe that could be the reason you have seen this product's ads on Facebook. Right after searching for the product on Google or any other shopping site (because of cookies)...

Anyway, it's really disgusting how Facebook collects everyone's personal informations. It's already time for a new decentralized social media arises and become the main popular platform. I can even fell Facebook's site too heavy on my laptop, heavy because they are full of cookies and secondary apps running all the time to not miss any information about you...
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February 17, 2018, 11:46:10 PM
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Of all the large companies that are now large internet players, do anyone particularly scare you in terms of how you data and track could be used? Amazon, Facebook, Twitter, …?


Although I would say that privacy should be a major concern among internet users, I'm forced to believe that the majority of users simply don't care. If you just look at the normal behavior of a Facebook user, that posts in a lot of information that should be private, and they do it in a public manner, then I would say that they don't really care much about how Facebook stores their data. Most of them don't even know how facebook does that, and they don't believe that once you say something in the internet, it will stay there forever, even if you delete it form the platform you used to post it.

That is something that should be of great concern to everyone, because it might not mean much now, but imagine if some dictator manages to form a government in a big country. They might trace back everything you said years ago, and make you pay for it. This is an extreme example, but everything we say can be used against us in the future, and that's why we should protect our privacy.
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February 18, 2018, 08:30:43 AM
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Also we must accept that there are a lot of easy to manipulate morons who will make the wrong choices.
Hitler was voted by 30% of the Germans, and Stalin would have won fair and square every election.
And this was way before Trump and whatever happened there.
My point was that people will always be people. We all screw up and tend to follow the herd most of the time.

You completely glossed over the fact that such social media experiments show that it is indeed possible to target and manipulate particular demographics based on their social media/ net habits.

For example, Someone with access to all the google, twitter and facebook meta-data and the motivation and resources to mine it can easily divide people in groups as being favorable/ non-favorable to a particular candidate or proposal. They can then target the users accordingly to shape their opinion.
Denying that its always only "stupid" people who fall for such tactics is giving too much credit to your own thought process. A majority of people will change their opinion when bombarded with a particular ideology on their social feeds for a long enough time.
Sound good when its just the cat. Not so much when the state decides to infringe on your activities because you are becoming a thorn by the side, say like an activist journalist. They know everything about you and your behavior pattern, places you visit etc. Its not so hard to imagine such data being used to demolish political opponents or even activists.

The state is elected by you and me.
If you vote into power people that are going to abuse power, then the fact that your cat is a youtube star is your last problem.
I come from a former communist country ,i f the government wants to enforce something, they will do this without the help of social media.
20 tanks rolling in the streets will make you rethink what's most important in life.

You talk about treating cancer rather that preventing it.
Lets take the cat out of the equation..LOL..

My argument was that indiscriminate and voluntary use of social media, amazon, google etc. allows for constant surveillance and monitoring. This makes it possible for the state to have control over the lives of individuals that can be considered to be politically sensitive targets.

You have lived in a communist country so you must be well aware of what the state apparatus can do with brute force and how political opponents can be targeted. How it can be dangerous to profess your opinions in public.

The catch is that infringement on privacy allows the state to have the same level of control while maintaining the facade of being a completely democratic one. That is in fact a much more dangerous situation.

I don't think its so simplistic. Normal people like you and me gradually become part of this machinery that determines how the world runs. When the people in power no everything and monitor everyone, their are subtle ways that information can be used to their advantage without anybody noticing. Maybe facebook doesn't want your data. But having all of it stored in their servers is a potential mine from where patterns can be derived.
You may call it paranoid but the level of false information that is being fed to reinforce viewpoints is undeniable. This is being made possible by targeted delivery of news and ads. You only ever see the things that their "algorithm" thinks will gain the most clicks form you or the most view time. You surrender yourself as a consumer because you only ever see what they show you. Where is the chance to expand your horizons and make mistakes then.
So, One really shouldn't brush off privacy concerns. They affect all of us and have far reaching consequences.

Just as I said above.
If you allow people that are going to abuse power to reach positions of power you are the only one to blame.
Not showing your taste in cars or food on social media won't solve the problem, nor will laws about your privacy.
Prevent the situation, don't try to solve problems that shouldn't be there in the first place.

You are absolutely right that "Citizens are to be blamed if they allow wrong people to get to power". But then you are choosing to completely ignore the effect that 21st century media has.
This argument assumes that human judgement remains untouched by the flurry of information and bombardment of sensational imagery by social media and media in general.

I suggest you take a look at this article about how investigating agencies think that Russian troll farms targeted particular demographics during the US elections.
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February 18, 2018, 09:21:41 AM
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I think the Social Media websites are scary especially your Facebook account because there are some people who lay everything on the Facebook account; where they live, where they are on that particular date and time. That's what scares me the most and that's why I don't post all the time and everything on any of my Social Media accounts.
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February 18, 2018, 09:46:02 AM
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To be honest i am not scared because i am a nobody and i do not think government or anyone will be interested with my data but i think everything is connected i do not know if they have sharing data but try to google something like an adidas rubber shoes. The ads will be shown in your google plus but i was surprised that an advertisement will be shown as well in your social media like facebook.



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February 18, 2018, 12:02:22 PM
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Of all the large companies that are now large internet players, do anyone particularly scare you in terms of how you data and track could be used? Amazon, Facebook, Twitter, …?

Whether you believe it or not, but all companies are involved in such practices, Especially, the companies which have data of millions of users. There is so much money to be made with this. I recently purchased a domain from a leading company. I started getting calls from web design companies from my country and it continued for 30-40 days. You decide.

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February 19, 2018, 01:07:43 PM
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Well I don't think that these huge companies are scary. The right word is successful. I read many facts and details about them on datapo source. Do you know that Sony is mainly an insurance company? I guess not, so take a look at that website to know more interesting info.
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February 19, 2018, 01:09:05 PM
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The Internet is a very dangerous tool for privacy, that's why it's important to master these tools and control the information you give.
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February 19, 2018, 01:25:26 PM
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Well I don't think that these huge companies are scary.
They are as we are providing our information and they have a big storage for all of our data's. That's why they are maintaining and keeps on upgrading their data center's for it.
Do you know that Sony is mainly an insurance company? I guess not, so take a look at that website to know more interesting info.
I don't have an idea that Sony is mainly an insurance company though. I'm only worried that we are giving our information freely to these websites and all of them can be a threat to someone that is shadily doing something wrong.

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