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February 17, 2018, 08:40:08 AM
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Since there are numerous people who do not speak English very well and who make grammar and spelling mistakes, I would want from you guys to correct anything you see unsuitable.

For instance, if someone makes a post which has many errors, including lack of information, why not correct him so he can avoid making the mistake again so he can improve the quality of his posts in the future?

Perhaps people are not aware that they are making mistakes. But either way, if they read the proper correction, they might make an acceptable post.
And of course, you should not be rude while correcting him.

For example, you should not call him "Stupid, that is not how to say the statement...."
We do not want to be grammar nazis.

Trust me, people will learn quickly.

Added to that, when you want to answer his thread to correct him, you should also take into consideration that you are going to answer what he said in his thread too, not just correct him.

This idea is for all people who want to make this forum a better place.
Maybe it is a silly idea, but I believe that if we do our best, we will manage to beautify this place.

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February 17, 2018, 09:18:41 AM
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I dislike this, people who make grammar and spelling mistakes, the only solution is to correct their mistakes by re-learning the English rules and  each one can improve himself.
Furthermore, many people are busy to correct the mistakes of members ( in the whole forum). But if this happens , there will be a problem of megathreads.
So your idea cannot be  achieved in bitcointalk.

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February 17, 2018, 09:34:21 AM
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It would be difficult as there are so many varieties of english. For example, I consider "color", "center" and other Americanisms to be incorrect. I gather the spellings were changed by Webster to help country people who were home educated, but it does cause problems when there are so many variations.

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February 17, 2018, 10:10:53 AM
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It would be difficult as there are so many varieties of english. For example, I consider "color", "center" and other Americanisms to be incorrect. I gather the spellings were changed by Webster to help country people who were home educated, but it does cause problems when there are so many variations.
Those should not be an issue because the semantics are still there. However, when you create garbled messes of dialogue that are incomprehensible, then there's a problem.

How many times have you seen run-on sentences that seem to continue on for several lines and just make it impossible to understand the meaning to which you would simply rather just not read the text entirely and move away from the redundant and recycled wall of text that is a putrid, filthy, mess that ends up being a mental strain on all readers, never mind the padding and bad grammar?

See what I did there?

TL;DR: The main issue that I have with users that do not have good writing skills is the lack of (proper) grammar and brevity. The combination of both creates a poor post.

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February 17, 2018, 10:40:16 AM
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You see, the problem is that not so many users read previous comments before to write own one and if they see a weak post in grammar sence people in most of cases just ignore it or attack the commentator with words like "with such level of Eng you have nothing to do here! Go away! Improve your Eng!" and so on. It is nice that you decided to pay attention on poor Eng posts, but by the forum's rules we need to put the OP in the priority, but not spend time for inproving of somebody's grammar.

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February 17, 2018, 12:33:38 PM
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You see, the problem is that not so many users read previous comments before to write own one and if they see a weak post in grammar sence people in most of cases just ignore it or attack the commentator with words like "with such level of Eng you have nothing to do here! Go away! Improve your Eng!" and so on. It is nice that you decided to pay attention on poor Eng posts, but by the forum's rules we need to put the OP in the priority, but not spend time for inproving of somebody's grammar.

You are right. So, please start by improving your grammar and English too. Smiley

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February 17, 2018, 12:59:53 PM
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A native speakers can also make a mistake by speaking because it can't be edit the phrase is can't take back what you said, however a written post can be edit as much as it sounds perfect, and being grammatically wrong doesn't mean your a bad mannered person so it doesn't need a correction.
the old saying goes to err is human, but to forgive is divine.

Some of them is earning from a certain amount of posts others is earning per post.
Meaning to say if I need to make a certain amount of post per week I need to constructively make it, unfortunately that is not always what happen.

There's a lot of important things to correct first and grammar is not one of them, for someone to be precise in making a statement he/she needs a lot of practice before he/she can make a grasp of it.
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February 17, 2018, 01:01:43 PM
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Since there are numerous people who do not speak English very well and who make grammar and spelling mistakes, I would want from you guys to correct anything you see unsuitable.

For instance, if someone makes a post which has many errors, including lack of information, why not correct him so he can avoid making the mistake again so he can improve the quality of his posts in the future?

Perhaps people are not aware that they are making mistakes. But either way, if they read the proper correction, they might make an acceptable post.
And of course, you should not be rude while correcting him.

For example, you should not call him "Stupid, that is not how to say the statement...."
We do not want to be grammar nazis.


I have seen some members correcting the mistakes but it makes no difference to person posting that content. I think it takes time to improve writing skills and grammar. We cannot do much if the person is not willing to put some effort from his side. Regarding, not using bad words for them, I agree with you on that part.

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February 17, 2018, 01:05:20 PM
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English is not my native language, and not even the second. In local branches you can see hundreds of messages that are understandable only for native speakers. It is impossible to translate - just to convey an approximate meaning. There are typos and mistakes. If I do not speak English at the national level, then I'm second class? Not a man at all?
I sometimes read a linguistic forum (not in English). And even on such forums there is a fairly loyal attitude to errors in semantics and punctuation.
This is a forum about cryptocurrencies, bitcoin, about mining, new projects and a new industry as such. Why is an ideally composed proposal so important?
But this is only my opinion, I understand that, in your opinion, the Europeans (with the exception of English and Scots) are not Americans, and therefore this is the second class.

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February 17, 2018, 01:11:20 PM
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In local branches you can see hundreds of messages that are understandable only for native speakers.
Exactly. If it's inane to have bad linguistic skills for the respective local section, then it should be the same in the English boards.

It is impossible to translate - just to convey an approximate meaning.
Understandable, but there shouldn't be loose grammar errors and incomprehensible replies. Direct translations may not be possible but you can always explain something.

But this is only my opinion, I understand that, in your opinion, the Europeans (with the exception of English and Scots) are not Americans, and therefore this is the second class.
This is a prime example of a section that I just do not understand. What in the world are you saying? Nobody is saying anything about first/second/nth class individuals.

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February 17, 2018, 01:22:02 PM
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But this is only my opinion, I understand that, in your opinion, the Europeans (with the exception of English and Scots) are not Americans, and therefore this is the second class.
This is a prime example of a section that I just do not understand. What in the world are you saying? Nobody is saying anything about first/second/nth class individuals.


I will try to rephrase. In your opinion, if a person does not know English well, he should not be here? He can not express his opinion? I met messages that were poorly written, but the idea was very good.
Native speakers (English) are first-class, and the rest is the culling of civilization?

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February 17, 2018, 01:31:01 PM
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@OP, you are too kind for them.

what do you think about this?
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because dev always announcement abount bounty payment, but always delay again

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February 17, 2018, 01:35:48 PM
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But this is only my opinion, I understand that, in your opinion, the Europeans (with the exception of English and Scots) are not Americans, and therefore this is the second class.
This is a prime example of a section that I just do not understand. What in the world are you saying? Nobody is saying anything about first/second/nth class individuals.


I will try to rephrase. In your opinion, if a person does not know English well, he should not be here? He can not express his opinion? I met messages that were poorly written, but the idea was very good.
Native speakers (English) are first-class, and the rest is the culling of civilization?
If you don't know English well, why are you trying to make posts in an English forum? Try to limit yourself to your Local board.

You don't even need to be fluent. It's just that people need to be able to understand what you are saying. I can't speak Spanish, so do you see me making posts in the Spanish board?

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February 17, 2018, 01:35:54 PM
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Since there are numerous people who do not speak English very well and who make grammar and spelling mistakes, I would want from you guys to correct anything you see unsuitable.

For instance, if someone makes a post which has many errors, including lack of information, why not correct him so he can avoid making the mistake again so he can improve the quality of his posts in the future?

Perhaps people are not aware that they are making mistakes. But either way, if they read the proper correction, they might make an acceptable post.
And of course, you should not be rude while correcting him.

For example, you should not call him "Stupid, that is not how to say the statement...."
We do not want to be grammar nazis.

Trust me, people will learn quickly.

Added to that, when you want to answer his thread to correct him, you should also take into consideration that you are going to answer what he said in his thread too, not just correct him.

This idea is for all people who want to make this forum a better place.
Maybe it is a silly idea, but I believe that if we do our best, we will manage to beautify this place.

May the force be with you, guys!
Have a wonderful day or night out there!

IMO this would be a waste of time for others,if someone having a problem to construct a proper english then it is advisable to stick  to thier local board.Besides,local section is meant for those who can't speak english well or can't spell and comprehend an english language very well,which cause a shitposting.The problem is not from the higher rank,it is from those who don't know their limit yet keeps on posting to a place they don't familiar with.

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February 17, 2018, 01:41:12 PM
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Its not that easy to construct words into gramatically correct structures especially to those who havent learned nor do not consider english as their second choice of language used within the premises of their country . If a person isnt proficient in the use of the english language then re learning the basics would take a significant amount of time though these people can be difficult to understand sometimes, usually those who post in this forum. Their structures are all jumbled up, transitional words are wrong and so on so forth that's why its hard to comsider if their posts are of high quality or not.


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February 17, 2018, 02:22:01 PM
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But this is only my opinion, I understand that, in your opinion, the Europeans (with the exception of English and Scots) are not Americans, and therefore this is the second class.
This is a prime example of a section that I just do not understand. What in the world are you saying? Nobody is saying anything about first/second/nth class individuals.


I will try to rephrase. In your opinion, if a person does not know English well, he should not be here? He can not express his opinion? I met messages that were poorly written, but the idea was very good.
Native speakers (English) are first-class, and the rest is the culling of civilization?
If you don't know English well, why are you trying to make posts in an English forum? Try to limit yourself to your Local board.

You don't even need to be fluent. It's just that people need to be able to understand what you are saying. I can't speak Spanish, so do you see me making posts in the Spanish board?

I will not continue the polemic. Because everyone will remain at their opinion. You say "bad English - go to the local section". Let's look at the analogies of life. If you only recently received a driving license, you should not drive a car? According to your logic - if you drive badly, then only walk. If you do not have children, it is forbidden to have children. There is not enough experience. How can you bring up children without sufficient experience?
We are all studying something. In some direction of the industry, each of us can be a beginner without experience. In a particular industry, each of us can be a professional. And the professional's task is to help, prompt, correct and point the way. And do not drive out, do not insult or humiliate those who is worse.

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February 17, 2018, 03:28:53 PM
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I will not continue the polemic. Because everyone will remain at their opinion. You say "bad English - go to the local section". Let's look at the analogies of life. If you only recently received a driving license, you should not drive a car? According to your logic - if you drive badly, then only walk.
If you drive so badly that everyone in the street is at a risk, then you should definitely only walk (or maybe get a ride?)

That's why I said: "You don't even need to be fluent. It's just that people need to be able to understand what you are saying."

If you do not have children, it is forbidden to have children.
There is not enough experience. How can you bring up children without sufficient experience?
Wut? I tried to understand this but I couldn't. The only way this makes a little sense is if this means something along the lines of "if you don't know english, don't try to learn", which is false.

We are all studying something. In some direction of the industry, each of us can be a beginner without experience. In a particular industry, each of us can be a professional. And the professional's task is to help, prompt, correct and point the way. And do not drive out, do not insult or humiliate those who is worse.
I had to read this 3 times to *kinda* understand what you are trying to say. Not really trying to humiliate you, but regardless of your analogies, you should try to improve your english before making posts outside your local board.

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February 17, 2018, 04:58:08 PM
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If you don't know English well, why are you trying to make posts in an English forum? Try to limit yourself to your Local board.

Well the answer is obvious: It's because posting in local boards doesn't pay. Most bounty programs have a limit on how many comments you are allowed to post on local boards, some even don't allow it at all. Since pretty much everyone here is here for the bounty money, this behavior is understandable in my opinion.

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February 17, 2018, 05:37:44 PM
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If they don't speak/understand English, they should stay at their local community or use another forum/group which have better tolerance. But honestly i think most member on this forum already have good tolerance against people with poor English as long as it's understandable.

But this is only my opinion, I understand that, in your opinion, the Europeans (with the exception of English and Scots) are not Americans, and therefore this is the second class.
This is a prime example of a section that I just do not understand. What in the world are you saying? Nobody is saying anything about first/second/nth class individuals.


I will try to rephrase. In your opinion, if a person does not know English well, he should not be here? He can not express his opinion? I met messages that were poorly written, but the idea was very good.
Native speakers (English) are first-class, and the rest is the culling of civilization?
If you don't know English well, why are you trying to make posts in an English forum? Try to limit yourself to your Local board.

You don't even need to be fluent. It's just that people need to be able to understand what you are saying. I can't speak Spanish, so do you see me making posts in the Spanish board?

I will not continue the polemic. Because everyone will remain at their opinion. You say "bad English - go to the local section". Let's look at the analogies of life. If you only recently received a driving license, you should not drive a car? According to your logic - if you drive badly, then only walk. If you do not have children, it is forbidden to have children. There is not enough experience. How can you bring up children without sufficient experience?
We are all studying something. In some direction of the industry, each of us can be a beginner without experience. In a particular industry, each of us can be a professional. And the professional's task is to help, prompt, correct and point the way. And do not drive out, do not insult or humiliate those who is worse.

Bad analogy, if someone got their driving license that means their driving skill isn't bad and surely they have experienced when they trained/practice to get their license.


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February 17, 2018, 07:16:56 PM
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What do you people think when you see not so perfect post in terms of grammar or vocabulary?

I can say for myself that I'm far from being perfect since I learned English by myself. I do speak and I can express myself in a way that others can understand, but I can feel that I'm far from the level I want to be at. Well I do speak 3 more languages and since I'm living in a foreign country - Norway my Norwegian is taking over the others. I know, it's not easy and there are many like me here.
Enough off topic now.



I see it that way, the forum is not a language school, it's created and supported as an English speaking forum with a privilege to the NNES / non-native English speaker/ to have sections in their own language.

If you are on a level that you cannot express yourself in English so the others can clearly understand your point then you should address your topics to your local section. If the matter is urgent, because sometimes it happens, it can be excuse but no more.
By pointing out the mistakes you generate extra off topic and since most of the "broken English" threads are created with direct translate with google it will not help much.

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