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September 18, 2013, 07:28:10 PM
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Everybody is talking about FPGA miner for litecoin,  but I still didn't see any working proof. So I decided to ask my friend from Italy for help.
It's time to say: FPGA miner could be done. When? December 2013 -> prototype cost about 1000 (eur) So everyone could test online (see the miner room with some webcams)
First will be out 16 FPGA model. Later more powerfull.
I can probably more than 10 times faster than GPU mining. You could sleep with the miner and your parents will not ask you if you are growing weed in your room  Grin

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September 18, 2013, 08:47:08 PM
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reserving this spot already Smiley
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September 18, 2013, 08:49:29 PM
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You could sleep with the miner...

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So it is a miner and also a sex toy?
Those crazy italians...  Grin
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September 18, 2013, 08:59:05 PM
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Interesting.

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September 18, 2013, 09:02:33 PM
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Interesting to see what 1000€ could provide.
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September 18, 2013, 09:02:50 PM
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Please pm me when you have more details.  Thanks!

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September 18, 2013, 09:16:37 PM
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prototype cost about 1000 (eur) and First will be out 16 FPGA model

Does not imply the 16 FPGA model will be 1000 (eur). Seems highly unlikely. Ten times faster than GPU too?

Of course you can build a 16 FPGA rig for less than 1000 eur that will perform 10 times faster than a GPU rig, but that's just semantics, it could be an ancient GPU just getting a few dozen khash/sec. So we want 10 times better performance than a current high-end GPU for 1000 eur (and with 16 FPGAs?).

Perhaps it is possible though. Pair each (low spec) FPGA with a SDRAM module, might just be doable at that cost? Would love to see some detailed spec on this. But having thought it through, I'm sceptical about the performance. A few 100 kHash/sec tops. Definitely not 10 times GPU performance (for any credible definition of GPU).

1Jest66T6Jw1gSVpvYpYLXR6qgnch6QYU1 NumberOfTheBeast ... go on, give it a try Grin
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September 19, 2013, 05:56:03 PM
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You could sleep with the miner...

Stay tunned

So it is a miner and also a sex toy?
Those crazy italians...  Grin
If i put a vibration module, it could be used as a sex toy  Grin
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September 19, 2013, 06:08:18 PM
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I'm going to be keeping track of this, very interesting, good luck! Wink
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September 19, 2013, 06:14:08 PM
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I want a couple of this...  Cool
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September 19, 2013, 06:18:43 PM
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I'm going to be keeping track of this, very interesting, good luck! Wink
Thank to you and all other. I will keep you inform on everything.
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September 19, 2013, 06:27:21 PM
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watching.waiting.hoping.praying.

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September 19, 2013, 06:32:28 PM
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Ooo, I'll wait good times here.
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September 20, 2013, 01:16:04 PM
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People I need your help:
Miner name suggestion (for the entry level model)

Thanks in advance for your help.
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September 20, 2013, 01:33:54 PM
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i suggest name it BFL... Cheesy
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September 20, 2013, 05:13:22 PM
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Watching this closely...

Maybe a word play on Scrypt... The Scryptonator?
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September 20, 2013, 05:30:45 PM
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To be honest, as someone who is soon launching an Scrypt based fpga I can say your claims are a bit over the top. 10 x GPU speed is of course doable, but at least 10 x the cost is needed. I think you'll find your memory bandwidth on most (non military grade) fpga's wont allow you to get the dollar/hash ratio you are after. Power saving, yes that is realistic. But no you will not be getting 10 times a gpu for £1000.

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September 20, 2013, 05:33:17 PM
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Why even announce anything?

You aren't able to sell anything yet. More hype and more pump? Roll Eyes

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September 20, 2013, 07:32:22 PM
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prototype cost about 1000 (eur) and First will be out 16 FPGA model

Does not imply the 16 FPGA model will be 1000 (eur). Seems highly unlikely. Ten times faster than GPU too?

Of course you can build a 16 FPGA rig for less than 1000 eur that will perform 10 times faster than a GPU rig, but that's just semantics, it could be an ancient GPU just getting a few dozen khash/sec. So we want 10 times better performance than a current high-end GPU for 1000 eur (and with 16 FPGAs?).

Perhaps it is possible though. Pair each (low spec) FPGA with a SDRAM module, might just be doable at that cost? Would love to see some detailed spec on this. But having thought it through, I'm sceptical about the performance. A few 100 kHash/sec tops. Definitely not 10 times GPU performance (for any credible definition of GPU).

This means that any core inside the FPGA is able to do 100Moperation/sec, assuming that we can not arrive to this goal due to sync problem between cores we will have 50Moperation/sec.

It is resonable that we will have a result of 1000 operation for each hash (you know that the litecoin algorithm needs to be repeated more times).
Well if this is true we will have:
- 50Moperation/1000=50.000 hash/sec, now we should multiply it by 10 (10 cores inside the fpga) and we should have 50.000hash*10=100.000hash/sec, assuming that our assumption are still too optimistic we should have half, than 50.000hash/sec

When we put 16 fpgas the result should be 50KHash/sec will begin 50*16=800Khash/sec.
This is a really very worst estimation, the result is about 1Mhash/sec

Coming to cost:
- a low cost FPGA is around 50$ in sample, we will have 50*16=800usd, than we have to add the controller, PCB and chassis, this will have a cost of 500usd that added to the previous one will be 1.300usd.
Now, in production the cyclone fpga will have a cost of 20usd (than 20*16=320usd), pcb 100usd, chassis and controller 300usd. Totale 700usd

Company like altera have another option, you can go in altera and ask for fpga already programmed, normally we can save 50% cost, for the other part we need to define the complete project to define the minimum cost
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September 20, 2013, 08:23:09 PM
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If I'm understanding you correctly, then we're looking at approx $1,300 for ~800Kh/s? Please correct me if I have that wrong. But at current difficulty and current LTC/$ (and we can only assume that LTC and scrypt in general difficulty is going to rise over time), it will take almost 2 years for this to achieve ROI. Perhaps LTC will increase dramatically, but perhaps not. Please tell me where I'm going wrong here?
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