So was Monarch development the cause for BFL being so slow ordering 65nm parts?

[Paladin69]

I can't shake the feeling that BFL was using customer money meant for 65nm parts to secretly fund the Monarch's 28nm NRE costs.  It would explain why ordering parts was so god damn slow.  I'm not familiar with NRE costs.

If the Monarch actually launches on time, it is a gigantic kick in the teeth to 65nm customers.  Make their 65nm customers wait forever, then screw them over even further by launching their own 28nm hashing farm.

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[Xian01]

The more important questions are "Who cares ?" and "Why does anyone continue to support Butterfly Labs ?"

[dddbtc]

I can't shake the feeling that BFL was using customer money meant for 65nm parts to secretly fund the Monarch's 28nm NRE costs.  It would explain why ordering parts was so god damn slow.  I'm not familiar with NRE costs.

If the Monarch actually launches on time, it is a gigantic kick in the teeth to 65nm customers.  Make their 65nm customers wait forever, then screw them over even further by launching their own 28nm hashing farm.

Avalon did pretty much the same thing...

[1l1l11ll1l]

I can't shake the feeling that BFL was using customer money meant for 65nm parts to secretly fund the Monarch's 28nm NRE costs.  It would explain why ordering parts was so god damn slow.  I'm not familiar with NRE costs.

If the Monarch actually launches on time, it is a gigantic kick in the teeth to 65nm customers.  Make their 65nm customers wait forever, then screw them over even further by launching their own 28nm hashing farm.

Nope, unless the designers were supposed to be spending time stuffing boxes and answering emails

[BBQKorv]

I can't shake the feeling that BFL was using customer money meant for 65nm parts to secretly fund the Monarch's 28nm NRE costs.  It would explain why ordering parts was so god damn slow.  I'm not familiar with NRE costs.

If the Monarch actually launches on time, it is a gigantic kick in the teeth to 65nm customers.  Make their 65nm customers wait forever, then screw them over even further by launching their own 28nm hashing farm.

Nope, unless the designers were supposed to be spending time stuffing boxes and answering emails

Yep, the money could have been used to outsource (parts of?) the units assembly and to make sure everything gets shipped out before October 2013. Instead of that they went for the obvious 28nm money grab attempt and some people are still taking that already rotting bait.

[PuertoLibre]

I can't shake the feeling that BFL was using customer money meant for 65nm parts to secretly fund the Monarch's 28nm NRE costs.  It would explain why ordering parts was so god damn slow.  I'm not familiar with NRE costs.

If the Monarch actually launches on time, it is a gigantic kick in the teeth to 65nm customers.  Make their 65nm customers wait forever, then screw them over even further by launching their own 28nm hashing farm.

Avalon did pretty much the same thing...

Not even close...

[Carlton Banks]

Yep, and you can expect that late December delivery, too (courtesy of a bearded fat old man in red costume with white fur trim + hat on reindeer propelled flying sled)

[Unacceptable]

Yep, and you can expect that late December delivery, too (courtesy of a bearded fat old man in red costume with white fur trim + hat on reindeer propelled flying sled)

Only those fortunate few that ordered first,MAY recieve them by December/January..............otherwise I would expect late 1st quarter as the earliest.They have NOT learned a damn thing about delivering on time IMO  

600GH @ $4680,will be profitable for sometime,BUT when will you get them,THAT is the question.....................in the meantime your money is locked in & you ain't hashin  

[Bicknellski]

The more important questions are "Who cares ?" and "Why does anyone continue to support Butterfly Labs ?"

[ScaryHash]

It doesn't matter what the real reason was/is.

What does matter is that the company's behavior was completely out of line with ethical and just about all regulatory statutes that you can think of.

And, they're still doing it with the Monarch.

Why anybody would still literally GIVE money to BFL is beyond me.

Full disclosure: Yes, I was a nOOb a while back, and gave money to BFL, and I'm still waiting for my Jalepeno order.

Not anymore.

[high110]

Arg - I managed to get my money back from them.  I tried cloud mining and haven't looked back.  Check out the signature.

Try it!  If you paid by credit card/paypal, you can get it back as well.

[sgrunger]

ButterflyLabs is run my a convicted fraudster Sonny Vleisides and the company's behavior reflects that of crooks - they took in millions in pre-orders and only started shipping en masse once the miners never ROI. They will keep on doing what they do, selling stuff that is not out yet, have customers pay for their R&D and tooling costs, build machines for their OWN mining purposes, and then ship to customers once the hardware becomes obselete and hope customers don't ask for refunds.

Source about fraud conviction : https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/radDocs/PressRoom/nr110114.htm

[high110]

Well...you can get one of these for 3k off ebay right now.  But would you? Even if they said it ships in Jan/Feb?

[shapemaker]

Well...you can get one of these for 3k off ebay right now.  But would you? Even if they said it ships in Jan/Feb?

I thought eBay forbids selling preorders. If you spot such an auction, report it to eBay.

[high110]

Well...you can get one of these for 3k off ebay right now.  But would you? Even if they said it ships in Jan/Feb?

I thought eBay forbids selling preorders. If you spot such an auction, report it to eBay.

Lol...but I wanted to buy it... 3k seemed like a deal until I saw cointerra...2 THS for 6k sounds a bit better for same window - Jan/Feb.

[Bicknellski]

Yep, and you can expect that late December delivery, too (courtesy of a bearded fat old man in red costume with white fur trim + hat on reindeer propelled flying sled)

Only those fortunate few that ordered first,MAY recieve them by December/January..............otherwise I would expect late 1st quarter as the earliest.They have NOT learned a damn thing about delivering on time IMO  

600GH @ $4680,will be profitable for sometime,BUT when will you get them,THAT is the question.....................in the meantime your money is locked in & you ain't hashin  

What still no Monarch?

[bcp19]

Yep, and you can expect that late December delivery, too (courtesy of a bearded fat old man in red costume with white fur trim + hat on reindeer propelled flying sled)

Only those fortunate few that ordered first,MAY recieve them by December/January..............otherwise I would expect late 1st quarter as the earliest.They have NOT learned a damn thing about delivering on time IMO  

600GH @ $4680,will be profitable for sometime,BUT when will you get them,THAT is the question.....................in the meantime your money is locked in & you ain't hashin  

What still no Monarch?

Once again, Bickfailski, the necro king, strikes.  Must be sad to have no life other than searching for old threads to revive with the same nonsense.  What's even worse is that he lost he old mantra (What, no Monarch hashing?) and now has to be even lamer.  Spondoolies must pay him well to bash the competition.

[DrG]

Yep, and you can expect that late December delivery, too (courtesy of a bearded fat old man in red costume with white fur trim + hat on reindeer propelled flying sled)

Only those fortunate few that ordered first,MAY recieve them by December/January..............otherwise I would expect late 1st quarter as the earliest.They have NOT learned a damn thing about delivering on time IMO  

600GH @ $4680,will be profitable for sometime,BUT when will you get them,THAT is the question.....................in the meantime your money is locked in & you ain't hashin  

What still no Monarch?

Once again, Bickfailski, the necro king, strikes.  Must be sad to have no life other than searching for old threads to revive with the same nonsense.  What's even worse is that he lost he old mantra (What, no Monarch hashing?) and now has to be even lamer.  Spondoolies must pay him well to bash the competition.

What is sad is that you followed your girlfriend into this thread just to bash her.  Get a room you two.

BTW he's right about BFL not delivering in Dec Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun

[Xian01]

Once again, Bickfailski, the necro king, strikes.  Must be sad to have no life other than searching for old threads to revive with the same nonsense.  What's even worse is that he lost he old mantra (What, no Monarch hashing?) and now has to be even lamer.  Spondoolies must pay him well to bash the competition.

Sort of like how Butterfly Labs pays you well to bash the competition and astroturf these forums ?