Should merit system be kept?

[Scor1937]

Really got some intresting answers here.

I am very much looking forward to my concern for getting merit.

Thats the real struggle every forum member has to face due to this change and i made this topic for that problem but considering other replies from trusted members, i guess that the merit system is really worth to be kept here to reduce spam and scamming.

Let's zero out the ranks, and see how the people on top again reach the legend.

That would actually be funny.   But the trusted members have gained their position by working really hard and thats why they are at a good position now.

The system Merit only harms the forum and stimulates competitors to create an alternative. I think you need to reward truly useful and quality posts, possible early grades, and not to freeze grade 90%, as happened in fact with the introduction of merit points

It doesn't actually harm the community instead it is good to avoid giving good ppsitions for shitposters and scammers. But just the smerits should be sent to each deserving individual.

"NO" voting will win. The reason is simple: very few people, who are really interested in crypto-currencies on the forum

The results are in favour of "NO" offcourse but we can simply avoid it due to the shitposters and scammers.

Shitposters and account farmers ganging up to vote No. What a joke this place has become.

This thread has truely turned out to be funny due to the shitposters. And the resuly from the poll can be overlooked.

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[ranochigo]

You just don't perceive the opinions of others that differ from yours and immediately call them spammers, it makes no sense to continue the discussion.

I think the definition of spamming is to post something that is the exact same in consecutive posts:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2992336.msg30811622#msg30811622
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2892565.msg30749357#msg30749357
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2934923.msg30702941#msg30702941
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2057994.msg30672587#msg30672587
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2982602.msg30664893#msg30664893

I think we could take you seriously if you weren't speaking nonsense with zero statistics to back your points.

High ranks put merit each other, they are not motivated to do it for others.

For what? What would we gain by giving merits to each other? I'm more compelled to give merits to those whom I truly feel deserves and a lot of them are Full member and below.

See the comments in this topic. All high ranks agree with the system merit. But a year later this forum will not have many high ranks.
It's simple.The system of merit is protection against competitors in Signature companies

See the comments in this and similar topics? They are all made by people who can't post constructively and expect the red carpet to be laid out for them. Speak for yourself, the only reason why you are posting this is because you want to rank up for signature campaigns.

p.s. Do not be surprised if after this post I will put red trust

Okay, trust abuse isn't very nice though.

No one cares enough to give you a negative trust, to be honest.

OP: lock this thread by going to the bottom left. The thread has degraded to nothing but pointless arguments by shitposters and there is enough of similar thread to discuss in.

[TMAN]

Russian spammers are quite annoying. I'm waiting for someone to top the *~200 office employees* Russian spammer. Go whine somewhere else.

Attacks because of nationality? It seems to me that You have no arguments and therefore You acting like this)

but you are a spammy cunt...

no arguments needed - just the facts

[abibliev]

Hello folks.

As the title describes, should the merit system continue?

Because it is really hard for everyone here i guess to rank up. No matter what you think, please do vote above so that we could know the public response. Actually i noticed that not everyone is giving merits even for quality posts and that really makes being a reputed and higher rank member harder.
Instead, to avoid scam and protect the forum, the developers can adjust the activity level for each rank.

My suggestion to rank up is somehow common but can prove effective. Below should be the activity level to rankup without merits.

Brand new:- 0 - 1
Newbie:- 2 - 40
Jr Member:- 41 - 80
Member:- 81 - 160
Full Member:- 161 - 240
Senior Member:- 241- 480
and so on..

The above is just a suggestion and any kind of response will be appreciated.

Thanks & regards,

Scor1937       

I think ur poll doesn’t help to change rules. But for sure Merit system is not so good idea for up rank. No one with high rank interesting to give merits and make competitors

[hilariousetc]

Op sent a merit to an account that has the same registered date as him: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1200534 Maingtoled1958 October 09, 2017

Coincidence? 

Russian spammers are quite annoying. I'm waiting for someone to top the *~200 office employees* Russian spammer. Go whine somewhere else.

Yeah, there's huge amounts of farming going on with Russians. Chinese are the worst though as there's a Chinese farmer with hundreds if not thousands of accounts. He was botting them though in the Chinese section but once they hit their rank they migrate out of there to join campaigns. I don't have a full list of them but I've banned hundreds over the years and just found another batch of them (40+) because they're now farming merit: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2998032.0

[v_i_p]

I think we could take you seriously if you weren't speaking nonsense with zero statistics to back your points.

This posts in Airdrops, there is no point to write interesting posts, so You're not really right)

[ranochigo]

This posts in Airdrops, there is no point to write interesting posts, so You're not really right)

There's no need to write interesting posts. Your posts are neither interesting nor constructive. It's no wonder you're complaining so much about the merit system. It shouldn't work for those unable to post constructively. I fail to see how would you gain by asking that to every airdrop that you see. If you can't produce a single constructive post, you have no rights to be complaining about systems that are supposed to fix this problem.

I wouldn't want to see people starting to copy and paste the same stuff over and over again while wearing a signature.

Op sent a merit to an account that has the same registered date as him: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1200534 Maingtoled1958 October 09, 2017

Sweet. His plan is backfiring.

[TMAN]

Russian spammers are quite annoying. I'm waiting for someone to top the *~200 office employees* Russian spammer. Go whine somewhere else.

Attacks because of nationality? It seems to me that You have no arguments and therefore You acting like this)

but you are a spammy cunt...

no arguments needed - just the facts

The forum is a place for discussion, not for name-calling and insults. Your opponents behave more decently and do not pass on insults, this is also a fact)

opponents? this place is for BTC.. I was reading this place when there was only BTC/LTC/FTC and PPC.. BTC-E was the height of altcoin trading and we were all getting scammed investing in securities.

I have every right to mug off account farming scum, if it wasnt for them then sig campaigns would be higher - there would be less shady ICO's and we wouldn't have to trawl through pages of..

yes Bitcoin is great, bitcoin feeds my kids, bitcoin is new but i love it..

all that shit would be gone, the rest of us could then trade, invest and chat in a great environment

[v_i_p]

This posts in Airdrops, there is no point to write interesting posts, so You're not really right)

There's no need to write interesting posts. Your posts are neither interesting nor constructive. It's no wonder you're complaining so much about the merit system. It shouldn't work for those unable to post constructively. I fail to see how would you gain by asking that to every airdrop that you see. If you can't produce a single constructive post, you have no rights to be complaining about systems that are supposed to fix this problem.

I wouldn't want to see people starting to copy and paste the same stuff over and over again while wearing a signature.

Op sent a merit to an account that has the same registered date as him: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1200534 Maingtoled1958 October 09, 2017

Sweet. His plan is backfiring.

I mean posts in topics Airdrops. Such messages I have very little. I may not know English very well, but I'm trying to learn it. I have a lot of useful posts, but alas, it was rewarded only one of them.

[ranochigo]

I mean posts in topics Airdrops. Such messages I have very little. I may not know English very well, but I'm trying to learn it. I have a lot of useful posts, but alas, it was rewarded only one of them.

Anyhow, that isn't an excuse for you to receive merits for them. Someone in the Russian subforum might give it to you but I personally wouldn't.

The way I see it, you seem to be extremely sensitive with your rank. If you can post constructively, you would probably rank up the same time as you get your merit. But alas, we both know it isn't going to happen with your current state of posts.

[v_i_p]

I mean posts in topics Airdrops. Such messages I have very little. I may not know English very well, but I'm trying to learn it. I have a lot of useful posts, but alas, it was rewarded only one of them.

Anyhow, that isn't an excuse for you to receive merits for them. Someone in the Russian subforum might give it to you but I personally wouldn't.

The way I see it, you seem to be extremely sensitive with your rank. If you can post constructively, you would probably rank up the same time as you get your merit. But alas, we both know it isn't going to happen with your current state of posts.

I'm not advocating Merits and do not complain about the lack of them) You misunderstood me. I just don't think the system is good and expressed his opinion. But for some reason many took this aggressive)))

[ranochigo]

I'm not advocating Merits and do not complain about the lack of them) You misunderstood me. I just don't think the system is good and expressed his opinion. But for some reason many took this aggressive)))

I think that is pretty obvious. Thank you.

The main flaw with your argument is that: Normal users who can post constructively isn't suffering. Even if they aren't given merits, they don't care about their rank. The only people caring about it is account farmers and those who eagerly wants to join a signature campaign but can't contribute actively. There is an issue if you care about your rank so much.

In my opinion, the system is good and it is working. The forum is for people who truly wants to engage in conversations regarding Bitcoins and cryptocurrency in general. It isn't a place for people to post rubbish and spam up the forum with gunk. If you don't like the merit system, you probably are more interested in ranking up than discussion on Bitcoin.

[v_i_p]

I'm not advocating Merits and do not complain about the lack of them) You misunderstood me. I just don't think the system is good and expressed his opinion. But for some reason many took this aggressive)))

I think that is pretty obvious. Thank you.

The main flaw with your argument is that: Normal users who can post constructively isn't suffering. Even if they aren't given merits, they don't care about their rank. The only people caring about it is account farmers and those who eagerly wants to join a signature campaign but can't contribute actively. There is an issue if you care about your rank so much.

In my opinion, the system is good and it is working. The forum is for people who truly wants to engage in conversations regarding Bitcoins and cryptocurrency in general. It isn't a place for people to post rubbish and spam up the forum with gunk. If you don't like the merit system, you probably are more interested in ranking up than discussion on Bitcoin.

I certainly do not oppose raising the grade, I also participate in campaigns bounty) I Think that over time I have and increase. I also don't enjoy a lot of spam on the forum, I'm trying not to abuse it. Not let us be much more widespread, I think we understood each other. You really are a worthy opponent and many should learn from You)

[Sowik]

If you guys really think that everybody who deserves merit will get it - you are wrong! Ranking up becomes nearly impossible for some users. I also do not notice much higher posting quality in the forum following the merit system. The only new thing is people daily bashing and praising the merit system and a ton of newbies asking how to get merit.

I am ok with the merit system staying if the requirements for merit are lowered a bit.

[Bitfort]

I say YES it should be kept. Continuous complains of many users just proves it works well. If anything I would rather remove whole rank system.

It's simple: We should be here to discuss, share info, teach and learn from each other .. not to hunt glorious hero or legendary ranks (it' sounds good but it's actually meaningless/misleading).

[summerblock]

My 2 newbie cents here. Merit would be indeed great if it was given objectively by the system, which is now how it works now. It is given on a whim by people how like a post or not, I have seen many that do not deserve any merit and many that do, that are correct and detailed answers to someone's problem that go unmerited. It needs to be changed to be fairer if not removed. It does not stop spam if that was what it was meant for but makes 90% of people remain Jr Members forever imho.

If you guys really think that everybody who deserves merit will get it - you are wrong! Ranking up becomes nearly impossible for some users. I also do not notice much higher posting quality in the forum following the merit system. The only new thing is people daily bashing and praising the merit system and a ton of newbies asking how to get merit.

I am ok with the merit system staying if the requirements for merit are lowered a bit.

Not really, ranking higher is a form of making money derived from signature bounties, it seems by the number of people that use them at least.

[BTCeminjas]

My suggestion to rank up is somehow common but can prove effective. Below should be the activity level to rankup without merits.

Brand new:- 0 - 1
Newbie:- 2 - 40
Jr Member:- 41 - 80
Member:- 81 - 160
Full Member:- 161 - 240
Senior Member:- 241- 480
and so on..

I think this is useless if admins change the new rule in merit system into this rules the account farmers will have feast if they know.
The merit system is okay but if ever they change the rule i can suggest that lower the required amount of smerit receive in able to rank up, yes you are right it is hard now to achieved that requirements in order to rank up.
I admitted my self here that i also poor in english comprehension because that was not my native language but i tried to have a good looking post even if not much constructive. 

[TMAN]

Merit is great - we need to bow down to the merit gods...

Hillarious is catching multi account farmers. Pajeet posters are moaning - QS is having to change his tampon every 30 seconds.. all is well in Bitcointalk....

long live merit

[tomahawk9]

Ha! look at the poll: No ( ) with 97 votes..the shitposters spammers are having a hard time ranking up, arent' they? funny thing is, they probably think something's gonna change because of the poll results  

Ranking up becomes nearly impossible for users who only want to use the forum to participate in signature campaigns to make money

fixed.

the only thing that makes a 'forum rank' any relevant is a sig campaign, other than that, they hold no value whatsoever. So, if you're here to talk about bitcoin and other stuff, you shouldn't have a problem with the merit system or how nearly impossible it is to to rank up. If you still care about ranks, then make an effort to write quality posts, simple as that.

[SupportCashout]

It is obvious that people, that allready have rank member+ likes merit system - prise of signature and bounty bonus is higher.  Newbies with new system lose the opportunity to get at least a full member.